H1N1

[»1587200]

So I'm curious to see what people think of this H1N1. I've had this crazy pig flu already which only lasted a few days and basically felt like the standard flu. I was told to get a flu shot before I got it, and amazingly, after I got teh H1N1 (which is odd because if I've already gotten it, my body has built an immunity to it). I've also known lots of other people who have gotten teh H1N1 from all ages between 3yrs-78yrs, and even the children and elderly that I know bounced back just fine. A 78 year old woman at my church was told by her doctor to get teh H1N1 shot. She refused and ended up contracting H1N1 (or so she was told by her doctor) and was told to get the shot, even though she already had it. She refused and left the hospital. Three days later she was fine. Same with the 3 year and 4 year olds I know who were told by doctors that they had teh H1N1 (as well as their mother). Mom refused the shot for herself and the girls, a week later everything was fine.

 

So if the young and elderly are the ones who are supposed to be the largest suffers of teh H1N1, then how come everyone I know had zero problems? It seems to me that the current deaths that we're told are related to H1N1 are roughly the same as the regular flu, so really, what's the big deal?

 

I came across this today: http://www.prisonplanet.com/three-more-children-injected-against-parents-wishes.html

 

Now I know it's Alex Jones and whatnot, but that's not the point. The point is that there are children being "vaccinated" against the wishes of their parents. Why are people being given shots against their will? Why the big push to get people this "vaccination"? Had I gotten the vaccination I wouldn't have gotten teh H1N1 (according to the government), yet I refused, got teh H1N1 anyway, and am just fine.

 

Is there really a pandemic going around the USA? Or is there some hidden agenda/conspiracy theory, and the government is trying to inject the people with...something? Or maybe the government panicked and they're vaccinating against something that's not as bad as they thought, and there really is no conspiracy theory. I do find it odd however that Fox News and Prison Planet both reported video and news stories about some 500,000 large coffin like tubs that were found on a FEMA facility a while back ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqjykY5wPk ). When asked about it, the government admitted that they had them in case any pandemic or mass death were to happen . A year later, teh H1N1 comes around and people are getting injected with shots against their will. On top of that, the White House gets in a heated debate and quarrel with Fox News about it's reporting. Now I'm not your typical conspiracy theorist, nor am I right or left winged. I'm more independent. But these seem like a lot of coincidences imo.

Edited November 2, 2009 by SyrusMX™

[Drake7707]

No flu shots available here, well not for most people (except those who work at hospitals etc). Swine flu isn't even much more dangerous than normal flu, in the unlikely event that someone dies of it then he/she would have probably died from normal flu too.

[»Lynx]

I personally wouldn't bother with any shots unless I had an underlying condition, and in that case I still would be hesitant about taking the shots even though there is a lot of evidence that states I shouldn't be. The simple fact is that the Government has made tremendous mistakes when it comes to this, and continues to do so. The pros of a shot don't measure up to the cons of the shot fucking up.

 

-L

[Hakaku]

I'm not getting it and never plan to. Everyone of my age group that I've asked aren't planning on getting it either, though many of them admit that their parents (the baby boomers) are likely to go and get it. It really makes for a differentiation in generations.

 

I honestly believe that the media is seriously overhyping this way too much, like to the point where you don't even hear about the 'recession' anymore. Conspiracy? No. The true culprit is the art of greed. The media is purposely hyping the issue so that people buy in and watch their shows. An informative unbiased documentary is simply too dull in comparison to a sensationalistic story with an end-of-the-world scenario. The government is buying into this hype because people are listening to the media, so the government wants in on the share of revenue, which has the added benefit of taking the negative focus off them. In Canada, everyone states that the flu shot is free... Question is, where did the government get the money from? Our taxes. But no one realizes this, people would rather buy into the hype like they go and watch crappy movies just because they were commercialized on tv for so long.

 

In terms of the US government, yes, it is true that they are purposely lying and providing false information. One of the such is the famous comparison to the Spanish Influenza of 1918, which was put up on their website. Problem is, that's comparing millions of men crammed in unsanitary trench conditions rigged with hundreds of other diseases and health problems, to perfectly healthy people with far far more sanitary and spaced lifestyles.

 

The thing is, how we got to this point is even sadder. People are being preconditioned to react in fear in light of certain sensational events, which allows power elite to easily manipulate the general population into doing irrational things. The new millenium failed, 9/11 was soon replaced with the war in Afghanistan, which was replaced with elections, SARS, another war, H5N1, another election, the financial crisis, and now, the Swine Flu. In each of these scenarios, the government ceased the opportunity and momentum of sensationalism to pass crazy laws and bring about some sort of change that would otherwise have never occured. Simply put, if you can manipulate fear, you have a much greater influence and control over people.

[Samapico]

The flu does have potential to spread a lot, and probably kill a few million people (which isn't really that much), and I do believe that some people should get the vaccine (people working in health care, kids, parents of young kids...). To limit its spreading more than to avoid death, really... Also being sick for a couple of days still sucks a lot.

 

Why no one you know had real problems with H1N1? Because even if it's very virulent, it's very unlikely that you die from it. For each death there are probably thousands of people who got infected without a problem.

 

The whole coffin / FEMA thing... check your sources well, some of it might be true, but I remember reading other sources that debunked most of that crap. Some videos are apparently showing a pic off google earth of something totally unrelated. Though it does make sense for a government to keep these kinds of things... If they didn't, and something DID happen (massive zombie invasion or whatever), people would complain that they were unprepared

 

I don't think anyone was vaccinated without their consent, or the consent of their parent... If such stories appear somewhere, there's a good chance that the parents are just seeking for attention (balloon boy anyone? )

 

Yes, there is a pandemic going on... But a pandemic means "lots of infections", not "lots of deaths". I don't see how a government conspiracy would make sense since this is pretty global now.

 

Yes, the whole thing was overhyped by the media, and by friends of pharmaceutical companies. Some people are filling their pockets with billions right now because of this whole story.

 

tl;dr: No conspiracy, nothing to worry about, move along now

[General Shadow]

1. Yes, I got the shot. I didnt want to, but my uncle made me...

 

2. I think is it an overreaction of the people and press. The press always makes things look worse then they really are. And like Samapico said, it may kill a few million people, but thats not that many.

[SeVeR]

When I got the flu it turned me into a pig, but I'm alright now. Oink.

[Bak]

it's "the" not "teh"

 

so 36,000 people die in the US each year from seasonal flu (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm), 90% of which are elderly people (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/711067). From H1N1 flu so far, over 88% of deaths have been in people under 65 (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/711067), and there are 1000 deaths so far (http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=11374890). It's therefore expected that 3,600 nonelderly people will die from seasonal flue this flu season, and about 900 people have already died from H1N1 (25% of the expected deaths from seasonal flu). Now how many do we expect by this time of the flu season? Look at the chart here (http://www.clevelandhealth.info/flusummary0508_small.gif), and keep in mind that we're 8 weeks from the end of the year (week 44). People have reason to be getting the vaccine.

 

And keep in mind that it's expected that most people would recover, even from terrible pandemics. Just because you know five people who have gotten it and recovered doesn't mean it can't kill thousands or more.

A category 5 pandemic would compare to the 1918 flu pandemic, which had an estimated death rate of 2 percent or more, and would kill tens of million of people.

[Hakaku]

I'm really skeptical about those death statistics because the actual population over 65 in Central and South America, the most affected regions, is extremely low, averaging between 4~6% compared to North America which is currently about 12%. The fact that more people under 65 are currently dying is in direct correlation with this.

[NBVegita]

Another thing is that it's only killing people with pre-existing medical conditions.

 

No I haven't gotten the shot.

 

It is an extreme over exaggeration.

 

No I don't plan on getting it.

 

I may have already had it, was really sick for a week, worked from home, now I am fine. All of the doctors in my area aren't even testing for it anymore.

 

Honestly for us to lose 2% of our population that would be 30 million people. That would make it nearly 9 times as deadly as the seasonal flu? If it were that deadly, you'd already have in the tens of thousands of deaths.

 

Also if I'm not mistaken your "under 65" stat groups the age groups of 5-24 together, and realistically teenagers and children are high risk stats for the regular flu. So yes the age group 5-24 has the highest, but that would make sense even with a regular flu.

[Synister]

So I'm curious to see what people think of this H1N1. I've had this crazy pig flu already which only lasted a few days and basically felt like the standard flu. I was told to get a flu shot before I got it, and amazingly, after I got teh H1N1 (which is odd because if I've already gotten it, my body has built an immunity to it). I've also known lots of other people who have gotten teh H1N1 from all ages between 3yrs-78yrs, and even the children and elderly that I know bounced back just fine. A 78 year old woman at my church was told by her doctor to get teh H1N1 shot. She refused and ended up contracting H1N1 (or so she was told by her doctor) and was told to get the shot, even though she already had it. She refused and left the hospital. Three days later she was fine. Same with the 3 year and 4 year olds I know who were told by doctors that they had teh H1N1 (as well as their mother). Mom refused the shot for herself and the girls, a week later everything was fine.

 

So if the young and elderly are the ones who are supposed to be the largest suffers of teh H1N1, then how come everyone I know had zero problems? It seems to me that the current deaths that we're told are related to H1N1 are roughly the same as the regular flu, so really, what's the big deal?

 

I came across this today: http://www.prisonplanet.com/three-more-children-injected-against-parents-wishes.html

 

Now I know it's Alex Jones and whatnot, but that's not the point. The point is that there are children being "vaccinated" against the wishes of their parents. Why are people being given shots against their will? Why the big push to get people this "vaccination"? Had I gotten the vaccination I wouldn't have gotten teh H1N1 (according to the government), yet I refused, got teh H1N1 anyway, and am just fine.

 

Is there really a pandemic going around the USA? Or is there some hidden agenda/conspiracy theory, and the government is trying to inject the people with...something? Or maybe the government panicked and they're vaccinating against something that's not as bad as they thought, and there really is no conspiracy theory. I do find it odd however that Fox News and Prison Planet both reported video and news stories about some 500,000 large coffin like tubs that were found on a FEMA facility a while back ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqjykY5wPk ). When asked about it, the government admitted that they had them in case any pandemic or mass death were to happen . A year later, teh H1N1 comes around and people are getting injected with shots against their will. On top of that, the White House gets in a heated debate and quarrel with Fox News about it's reporting. Now I'm not your typical conspiracy theorist, nor am I right or left winged. I'm more independent. But these seem like a lot of coincidences imo.

 

The vaccine isn't needed, only if you have a crappy and weak immune system. If your healthy you won't die, just your everyday flu. IMO the media made such a big concern about H1N1 and taking the vaccine that people think that H1N1 is lethal, when it isn't.

 

I've gotta say thoughl.. if people start to get forced to take vaccines, then eventually stuff like Resident Evil shit's gonna happen. Idc what anyone says, I think eventually a big disease everyone wants cured will have a vaccine, and everyone will want it.. then everyone will die.

Either that or 2012 will get us. Who knows =P

[»Ducky]

I got it. I have good health insurance and there's no reason not to get it. I don't think it's a conspiracy anymore than lung cancer is.

Just because you know 20 people who smoked for 40 years and are fine doesn't mean everyone who smokes will be ok.

 

There's a reason people say young kids believe they're immortal and this topic proves it. Most of you that have posted have no better reason to claim than "It won't happen to me". That's obviously true; of course until it does happen to you.

 

I've learned long ago from the obscure random deaths of close friends to not believe myself entitled to life. I get the flu shot every year, and this is just added to that. No underlying conditions, just caution. Similar to wearing a helmit on a motorcycle in a state that doesn't require one.

Edited November 5, 2009 by Ducky

[NBVegita]

There a difference from wearing a helmet on a motorcycle where you are almost guaranteed death/serious injury should you have an accident and not getting an H1N1 shot because you may catch a flu that is so far less fetal than the regular flu.

 

Also it's not a matter of people (young or not as you don't know how old most of us are) having that "It can't happen to me" mentality. First some of the people on here have already had it and had no adverse effects. Second, I don't get a regular flu shot which is much more deadly than the swine flu is and I have never once gotten the flu in my entire life, either that or I had it so mild I didn't know it was the flu.

 

Second it's not so much of a "It's not going to happen to me", it's a "I'm not that concerned if it does happen to me". People are sensationalizing statistics so that this "epidemic" become a national crisis. Everyone is freaking out because of what they're trying to "predict" that this ever evolving virus "might" do/cause. This is the new global warming.

 

I mean right now they're freaking out because people are getting sick out of the "normal flu season", well fucking duh. If you have a new strain of flu virus that is active outside of the window where the "normal" flu, then of course there will be more deaths and sickness now. Doesn't take a gd scientist to figure that one out.

 

If/when this actually shows stages of being much more severe (beyond predictions) than the normal flu, it will garner more of my attention. Heck it's even hard to classify your age because for most everyone on these forums you fall in either the '5-24' range or '25-49' range. That's a huge range. I'd like to see the break down by actual ages because I bet the majority of your ss forum members are 16 < x < 35 and I bet that the majority of deaths in those groups are 5 < x < 16 and 35 < x < 49.

[»Ducky]

Most of you that have posted have no better reason to claim than "It won't happen to me"

I have never once gotten the flu in my entire life, either that or I had it so mild I didn't know it was the flu.

[NBVegita]

I don't get a regular flu shot which is much more deadly than the swine flu is and I have never once gotten the flu in my entire life, either that or I had it so mild I didn't know it was the flu.

 

Second it's not so much of a "It's not going to happen to me", it's a "I'm not that concerned if it does happen to me".

[»Ducky]

Which is akin to stupidity imo.

I'll probably never get struck by lightning, but I still avoid standing by flag poles in a rain storm if possible.

[Drake7707]

I got it. I have good health insurance and there's no reason not to get it.

 

 

Aside from the long list of side effects that could make one feel sicker than the flu itself ?

[Samapico]

I got it. I have good health insurance and there's no reason not to get it.

 

 

Aside from the long list of side effects that could make one feel sicker than the flu itself ?

Yeah, you could be like THIS guy: (SFW, just didn't want to fill page with it)

 

 

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/doctorlist.png

 

 

[NBVegita]

Well it may be "stupidity" in your opinion, but that is exactly what it is, your opinion.

 

Why not avoid driving because you've got a higher chance to die driving than walking? (Hey 37,000 people died last year from car accidents, that's more than the flu virus)

 

As I stated above, this has PROVEN to be less severe than the normal flu, only speculation makes it "seem" worse. Until there are PROVEN signs that it will be more of a threat than the regular flu, then I'll take no more precautions than I currently take over the regular flu.

 

Also the part of the equation that they're predicting is that the H1N1 is going to continue to evolve, so the flu shot you got now, if the virus evolves, will be useless.

 

If 25-50 million people a year get the flu and only ~35,000 die...that means my chance of catching it is 8-17%, dying from it is .07-.14%, now apply that percentage to the percent that I'm going to catch it in the first place and my actual chance of dying from the flu is: .0056-.0224%.

 

If not worrying about hundredths and thousandths of a chance I'm going to die from something makes me stupid, I'll take that any day.

 

Edit to fix grammar

Edited November 7, 2009 by NBVegita

[jacob hunter!]

lol

[Aileron]

Now, first off, I got the shot because I was required to get one.

 

That being said, the H1N1 pandemic has all the indicators of a media promoted panic.

[Hakaku]

To add to what NBVegita said,

 

In rare cases flu shots are known to cause the debilitating nerve disease Guillain-Barré Syndrome, which killed more people than the actual flu virus the last time a pandemic was declared in 1976.

What the media isn't informing people is about the numerous side effects that flu shots have, and doctors, including the World Health Organization, will go so far as to even deny the possibility for a flu shot to have secondary effects to cover up their arses, while governments are providing pharmaceutical companies blanket immunity from lawsuits. Does that not bother you at all? The H1N1 shot still includes mercury and squalene, which an increasing amount of research is showing that there is a direct one to one correlation between the presence of mercury and squalene with irreversible, often neurological damages that people suffer as a result of getting their shot.

 

In light of Ducky's argument, "Most of you that have posted have no better reason to claim than 'It won't happen to me'", you can easily reverse this and say that "Most of you who advocate for the flu shot have never suffered from the side effects caused by one, and can give no better reason against this except to claim that 'It won't happen to me.'" You can claim such cases to be "rare", but they're perhaps just as rare as someone dying from the flu itself - the only difference being, the number of people affected by a flu shot will never be documented. Those who have been affected by shots, definitely advocate against getting them, and would rather suffer a few weeks having a flu than living a life of hospitalization and rehabilitation. With people dying from H1N1, there have been very little known cases where the people died without having some other sort of medical complication. These people ought to be priority in getting the flu shot, but perfectly healthy people should inform themselves, consult their doctors and avoid the shot unless absolutely necessary.

[Bak]

hakaku can you please cite your source? From what I heard, Guillain-Barré Syndrome resulted from vaccines only during the 1976 outbreak. You made it sound like it happens every once in a while with flu vaccines, and was especially bad during 1976.

 

an increasing amount of research is showing that there is a direct one to one correlation between the presence of mercury and squalene with irreversible, often neurological damages that people suffer as a result of getting their shot

Can please cite one particular study from this "increasing amount of research" showing the "one-to-one" correlation you described?

[Aileron]

Yes, I'm reviving an old topic just to announce the conclusion.

 

The US government is now throwing out 260 million dollar's worth of H1N1 vaccine that was never used and has reached the medicine's expiration date. Chalk this one up in the 'overblown' column.

[»Ducky]

Yes, I'm reviving an old topic just to announce the conclusion.

 

The US government is now throwing out 260 million dollar's worth of H1N1 vaccine that was never used and has reached the medicine's expiration date. Chalk this one up in the 'overblown' column.

 

Just like every single category of preventatives, you'll never know how well it worked.