Glenn Beck

[NBVegita]

lol bad press is about all Guantanamo cost us.

 

Every country has their own version of it, to think different would be naive.

 

It's kinda like Bill Clinton. How many presidents of any country aren't getting head under the desk? I mean hell "sleep with president" is nearly on the job description for presidential intern. He just got caught lying about having his hand in the cookie jar.

[Bak]

we should still strive for the ideal situation, not give up on it

[Simulacrum]

lol bad press is about all Guantanamo cost us.

 

Every country has their own version of it, to think different would be naive.

 

It's kinda like Bill Clinton. How many presidents of any country aren't getting head under the desk? I mean hell "sleep with president" is nearly on the job description for presidential intern. He just got caught lying about having his hand in the cookie jar.

... Except that, y'know, torture and indefinite detention are abhorrent practices which we should strive to eliminate.

 

I mean, seriously? "Everybody else does it"?

 

Anyway, you've managed to kick this out at least two degrees (Glenn Beck → Khalid Sheik Mohammed → Guantánamo) from the topic. Howzabout more Glenn Beck?

Edited December 19, 2009 by Simulacrum

[NBVegita]

we should still strive for the ideal situation, not give up on it

 

That is exactly like trying to strive for "world peace".

 

Seriously unless you brainwash every human being in the world to no longer be human, there will always be war and there will always be torture.

 

I'm not saying that it should be internationally condoned, but for people who act "shocked and abhorred" that it happens is simply naive and unrealistic. I also believe there are uses for torture.

 

Ultimately we're just animals. We like to think of ourselves as "better" than animals, but we're not.

 

Except that, y'know, torture and indefinite detention are abhorrent practices which we should strive to eliminate.

 

That is a matter of opinion. Personally I feel that there are times and places where torture can be useful. We can elaborate later in another topic if you want me to get into those details. Same thing with indefinite detention.

Edited December 19, 2009 by NBVegita

[Bak]

we shouldn't be trying to strive for world peace?

[Dr Brain]

Not in the sense that you mean it.

 

4. Peace does not mean the absence of war.

14. To free peoples, peace means the absence of threats and the presence

of justice.

[Simulacrum]

Not in the sense that you mean it.

 

4. Peace does not mean the absence of war.

14. To free peoples, peace means the absence of threats and the presence

of justice.

tl;dr: War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

[»D1st0rt]

In probably the only decent speech Obama has given so far, he even said that a military is often required to achieve peace.

[Simulacrum]

Of course. You can use war to achieve peace. But Rush seems to be saying that war and peace can coexist, and that's textbook Newspeak.

[kid]

Of course. You can use war to achieve peace. But Rush seems to be saying that war and peace can coexist, and that's textbook Newspeak**.

 

I think you mean Doublethink.

[»Lynx]

From what I've seen of Obama, I wouldn't say he's against the use of the military (as D1s pointed out) - he's just against a pointless war (such as Iraq + Afghanistan).

[NBVegita]

I would say that striving for world peace is futile.

 

In definition and theory it sounds amazing, but we cannot even have peace in most small cities, let alone for the entire world.

 

There will always be levels of peace and war, but unless you kill every human on the planet, there will never be world peace.