SSCU Trench Wars

[»jabjabjab]

Dear SSCU Trench Wars Staff,

 

What the hell is going on?

 

Trench Wars just seems like a pile of shit now, and has been neglected ever since DoCk>'s departure. This is just rediculous on how lax the staff are in situations, not to even care when shit goes wrong. Nothing seems professional now, and the public map seems to have been the same one for a decade now.

 

 

"SSCU Trench Wars",

 

has a huge responsibility in this game, that it is not holding itself up to. This zone holds the major population, hence why it's appeal should be great, and long lasting. The truth is, it is the exact opposite.

 

 

In "SSCU Trench Wars" Public arenas,

People run rampant spamming things like "RIOT" and allowing people to spam and Talk bad about very important things to people in Public such as religion, and Maybe even racism. I have sat in pub quite a few times and all I heard of this. How the hell is this appealing when staff doesnt even respond to take care of these situations?

 

 

In "SSCU Trench Wars" Events,

People complain. This happens, but staff, stop becoming their bitch. This is pathetic.. do you know how weak and unprofessional that is?

 

 

"SSCU Trench Wars" Staff,

Seems weaker than it used to be. I have seen people violate rules that would get you banned 5 days easily back in 2003. saying "Stop spamming" is not using power wisely, yet you people keep complaining about others complaining. Maybe you could learn a lesson or two from retired staff members.

 

Also, what about P_L?

 

Just a little note for you about Trench Wars Development Team, is that this is a seperated department from staff, and should stay this way. I cannot believe that you would say not to hire any new members, even though basically 95% of the old members left because they moved on. What are you possibly thinking? Man I miss DoCk> and 2Dragons.. they knew what to do when situations like these arrised back in the day.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I loved Trench Wars when it was in it's great state, and I still do, but I don't want small pathetic things like as of listed above become the end result of what Trench Wars is recognized for.

 

 

Don't say that people are leaving the game because it's a bad game, because SubSpace is not a bad game, it is a legendary game. The real problem is the people who maintain the game do not meet up to what they should. Pure_Luck, if you cannot do what is needed, please do not hesitate to pass the position on. I'm pretty sure there is many people willing to keep this game alive.

 

 

I've been waiting patiently for basically half a decade to see what Trench Wars was going to do to get over these stupid things, and obviously, nothing has happened since.

 

 

So SSCU Trench Wars, Please get your act together because you can either make this game, or break it. To stay the legend that has been around with us for so many years, or become the next twister to nearly destroy our community.

Edited August 6, 2009 by jabjabjab

[Hakaku]

Why not post this on TW forum?

[Emit]

Might be posted there already and reposted here for "dramatic" effect.

[»jabjabjab]

I didnt post it there because I'm sure they'd delete it. Edited August 6, 2009 by jabjabjab

[rootbear75]

First off: spamming RIOT is a tradition throughout a lot of the zones i used to play in... when people started having heated debates, one person would say RIOT, then a few would join in, then it would all settle down

[»jabjabjab]

True, I did think about not putting that, but TW does tend to go off the deep end when doing that.

[larrythehamster]

Does your post actually have a point?

[»doc flabby]

Your description of Trenchwars is how it has always been

 

Whatever your critism of Pure_Luck hes done a great deal for TW behind the scenes, and hes kept it together. The sad truth is there is no one qualified or with the commitment to take his position at the moment. Being a sysop of a zone like TW isn't just about knowing the commands, you've got to manage a team of people.

[»jabjabjab]

Well How do we find out if someone is qualified? We need a good leader. I mean I know Pure_luck has done great things here and there, but i havent seen anything done in a year atleast :/

 

also edited out P_L cuzz now I know. hehe.. I just didnt know what the f was going on with that.

Edited August 6, 2009 by jabjabjab

[»Blocks]

Well How do we find out if someone is qualified? We need a good leader. I mean I know Pure_luck has done great things here and there, but i havent seen anything done in a year atleast :/

 

also edited out P_L cuzz now I know. hehe.. I just didnt know what the f was going on with that.

I think part of the problem is that managing anything well in Subspace is something that in the business world would command a decent salary and require a decent budget. Instead, someone has to do it for free and find people to work with who will also do it for free.

[»jabjabjab]

Well if someone loves the game enough (there are a few) I'm sure someone would be qualified...

[»Lynx]

I don't see what Pure is doing wrong? I don't see much difference in TW in the last 10 or so years, and lets face it before then it kinda sucked anyway... TW still holds the most population, has the most events, a huge dedicated staff team and is apparently going to be making some big changes in the future. Meh, this post is ..

 

Pure is doing a good job, I can bet lame posts like this make him not want to though. Maybe instead of being dramatic be productive, it'll get you and this awful game further.

 

 

G'Night,

 

-Lynx

[»jabjabjab]

Heheh, well I don't really see much "dedication" anymore, be it that a few people upstairs still do care alot about the game.

[OrangeeoZ]

hi jabjabjab

 

You still in the TW Dev?

[»jabjabjab]

Lol yeah xD

[»Maverick]

Don't be afraid to post it on the TW forums. I hope you will do it anyhow as critism is always good and the staff should always listen to it.

If necessary I'll personally take care nothing (bad) happens to your topic.

 

Cheers

[Hate The Fake]

Jab, i think what youre saying about PL is way off base. PL does alot of behind the scenes things to help trenchwars. Even forking over the extra $ for site upgrades. I believe his last upgrade was a few weeks ago and it was something he personally paid for. Not to mention the video contest, he is personally paying for the monitor. I see alot of dedication happen in tw. Especially from the bot dev, smods and some senior staff.

 

If there was anything needing to be fixed it needs to be putting restrictions on people from stealing tiles/graphics/ship/arena settings and then creating a map without giving credit to the rightful owner. ?go shoop for example along with ?go twisteddm. Both maps made by the apparent tw dev map head coordinator. You cant set a good example to the zone if all your doing is using TUO's graphics with a different layout without permission.[/rant]

 

ps i dont think ill be needing to reply to this thread further

 

rip dads revenge come back soon!

[»jabjabjab]

bahahahah that kindof bullshit HTF? TUO can go suck a dick because he freely gave that gfx to Witness with no problem of even giving credit. TUO is gone and he gave it to tw. I used it. I did not say HOLY SHIT THIS IS GREAT GFX THAT I MADE. I am sick of hearing that pathetic bullshit about who made what and who should bend over just to use it. This is twdev. We do not steal. [/rant]

 

I understand that my first rant was off with Pure_Luck because I honestly do not know what is going on, and with trench wars in its downhill spiral, If I do not know something, I will seek further information about it in any way I can.

 

If I remember this correctly, P_L's office had a couple extra monitors laying around that he got to give for the contest. He might have paid for them to get them from his work but i dunno im not trying to know his personal life.

 

 

 

Maverick I posted it here because I do not like tw forums. The only people who respond are consistant jackasses who do nothing but complain on a daily basis. Nothing would come out of this if I decided to post it there. It would only start a useless flamewar that would make my critism seem like a riot.

[»Lynx]

People who complain all the time will complain about you complaining? Must be crazy.

 

-L

[»jabjabjab]

TW forums is sad rly.

[Sketter]

Not to be insensitive, but as much as the back end stuff is great, there needs to be a good front end also.

 

Its like saying having a great grill, and not knowing how to make a burger. What good are you to feed your customers, and make them want to come back.

 

I don't play TW,(and just to play devils advocate) but you can only justify the back end stuff, when your front end has had the attention it needed first.

[»jabjabjab]

There is a huge problem in TW involving pubs, or lack of them. It has

been that way for so long now, that people forget how it use to be. I

can say for a fact that this has driven off people, to what degree I do

not know, but its something that should be changed. The changes that

lead to these problems have had enough time, and its time to move back

to something closer to what TW was like 5 or so years ago.

 

TW pubs are not only important to long time players, like me (I seldom

play anything but pubs in TW (I left TW due to pubs, I may come back),

but also its the main place for the vast majority of new sub space

players. There has been talk (so I hear) of having a special arena for

new people, but this is not only complicated, but unnecessary. In

addition, I would bet unhealthy TW pubs not only leads to a lower TW

population, but may contribute to a lower SS population. So, PLEASE

please, consider these proposed changes.

 

In order of importance, here is a list of things that must change to

improve pubs.

1. Kill the "pure pub", I know why this idea got started, but the it is

long past time to get rid of "pure pubs", in fact its anything but pure,

its actually a perversion of the TW pub rules. If people want league

rules, the can ?go base or have a hosted league pub, but its a intrusion

into pubs to have this special case pub. This was the beginning of the

death of pubs, and its totally unnecessary and unacceptable. You are

limiting a substantial amount of people who levi-terr to only one full

pub. Every day you play the same people, and the people who still like

the pure pub never come to the normal rule pub. This hurts the pub

population, part of the fun is (was) to move from pub to pub and play

different people; this aspect of TW has been missing for more than 5

years now.

 

2. Reduce amount of hosted events our auto hosted events to the point

that AT LEAST 3 full pubs exist during the bulk of the day. My guess is

20% fewer hosted or auto-hosted events. It is CRITICAL that pubs have

at least 3 full pubs during the majority of the day, and its critical

that all pubs have the SAME rules. If there are 3 full normal rule pubs

(with no pure pub), I feel the TW population will eventually increase,

and that will in turn help the hosted event population.

 

3. LT is a important part of TW pubs.... while it has been said that LT

destroys basing, this is not true. The MAIN problem has never been

addressed; which is TOO MANY PEOPLE on priv freqs. There should be some

type of limitation on the amount of priv freqs as well as how many

people are on priv freqs. If there are too many people on priv freqs

(either dueling or lt-ing) that naturally drops the amount of people

trying to take the base. Someone should experiment with making a bot

that will limit the amount of priv freqs and how many people are on priv

freqs. Maybe something like first-come-first-server priv freqs with a

limit of 3 priv freqs with a limit of 4 per priv freqs. The point

would be: in a pub of 30 active players, there should be at least 10

people on both freq 0 and 1.

 

4. I noticed today you all went back to 40 people per pub, that needs

to drop back to 35 (avg of 5 in spec), so we can get to goal of at

least 3 full normal rule pubs during the bulk of the day.

 

5. Two minor suggestions 1. have a 20 minute spec limit (I think its

too short now, but good bot to have) and 2. Rotate timed and

open-ended game play ever 2 weeks or so. Open ended games (traditional

pubs) can be fun too, but I have no objection to timed pub games.

 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE change pubs to reflect the first 4 suggestions, I

simply can not play TW anymore, and I am not the only one. Also notice

how many people wait in that damm pure pub in order to get to the ONLY

normal rule pub. I would hope things get back to the way it was 5 years

ago, with normally 4 or 5 pubs and people could go to a variety of

hosted events (including non-lev league arenas) without harming pubs.

Edited August 22, 2009 by jabjabjab

[Samapico]

TW should try just using one giant pub

I'd like to see 150 people exploding each other at once

[Dr Brain]

Bandwidth is O(n^2) on a small map, so they'd be using roughly 5 times as much bandwidth with a single 150 player pub as with 5x 30 player pubs.

[»jabjabjab]

I guess it's just a flaw of the client :/

 

 

Im basically about to just say fuck it with trench wars. I'm very close to just cutting all ties with the zone (if any). They've obviously lost all the glory they once did have. They just let the idiots and pricks rule the zone without punishment.(I'm not talking about staffers, Im talking players.) It's just so sickening how such a nice place could just be let go and turn into such a problem.

 

 

As far as I see this zone STILL, it just wants this game to die.

 

 

I'm also very very confused why this zone refuses to take a step outside it's current state. Seriously, Why are you scared to miss-please your old community? most of them are a bunch of pricks with nothing to do but keep the game from going places. Focus on newcomers, not old people. Just because this game is limited on changes does not mean you should stay the same. There is so many possibilities now that AS3 is out.

Edited August 23, 2009 by jabjabjab