»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) All I kept hearing about last night was "all the netwide bangops are inactive" when a group of hackers (New Jersey, JR5, Sexual, Raazi, and "Russ" (using TWDBot2 to evade ban and actually using it to talk in-game) Hung out in 'SSCX Star Warzone' where there were apparently no active mods to handle in this zone. This all started last night around 8-10pm when russ used the name 'Programmer+' and started mass squad messaging this message, "AIMBOT FOR .40, (Link)." This link often contained reported Key loggers and Viruses that are harmful to our players if clicked on. The initial response to take care of this person was fairly quick, PoliX and Samapico took good care of these guys in SSCU 17th Parallel. Unfortionately about 20 minutes later, these guys reappeared in other zones as 'gr32323' in Chaos League Zone SVS and continued the spam. Because it was night time in the US, Samapico and PoliX had already went out for the night and were unable to take care of these guys. This hacker used a special method of contact to his group by using a TWCore copy to manipulate a 'TWDBot' (which sends messages to all squad players by squad messages) and spawned in 'SSCX Star Warzone'. Here is a except from my log i had of a message they used with their twdbot, "(TWDBot2)>Trench Wars is experiencing an attack by a group of hackers. We need you to change your password to Temp1 for 10-15 minutes so that we may protect you from any threats. Please type ?password=Temp1". Pure_Luck could only ban these guys from SSCU Trench Wars, but not take care of them completly, and had to take the extensive measure of cutting off all contact outside the zone for a period of time to temporarily resolve this matter. All the hackers could do was watch and wait from this time on. So why is this an issue? It took 3 hours to do anything to keep the hackers from doing what they did with their TWDBot2 and messages of viruses / keyloggers not by network banning but by other quick ways, which these hackers could find other ways to speak to Trench Wars, or attack another zone. So why is this a bad issue? People unfortunately are not as wise as to not open suspicious links (hence the msn virus which made big hits for the same exact reasons.) This is a very big hit on player safety, and this game is very well at keeping itself virus free, and with the good firewalls nothing should go wrong. So what is my opinion on this? I heard when I spoke to a few ban op reperesenatives to take care of the matter, they only told me that there was no one active to issue a network wide ban (which i saw needed since they kept comming back and continuing their 'scaretactics' on Trench Wars). All I heard was how inactive anyone was that could easily do away with situations like this. I do not know what goes on in SSC Council or how they deal with things like this, But I would like to know what is going on with that sparse power that could resolve problems like these much more quickly than going through all the trouble with zones like Trench Wars taking extensive measures just to keep these guys from speaking. I will post a log I recorded of the "last" attacks in SSCX Star Warzone. PoliX what is your views on this? P.S. Not critisizing SSC Council, they do their work well. (just wanted to make that clear) Edited June 23, 2009 by jabjabjab
»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 Oh did I post this in the wrong section? Sorry bout that. Thanks Creemy.
»Lynx Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 It's a free game, having somebody online who can always make a ban is possible - but not easy. I'm surprised that Pure_Luck can't create netbans, though. Either way, it's not like these newbs done much damage - they successfully spammed a load of tripe messages, which could easily be nulled by a zone message in all zones effected - so ... Meh? As to linking to a virus, again... Meh... Same process applies, find their information, and ban them. They'll evade, and they'll be back, but then we ban again. Fortunately, it takes longer to evade than it does to ban. -L
»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 Im sure he can, but probably because of the ban bug you have to *kill them and no one was on sscx star warzone with *kill at the time.
MikeTheNose Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 There is at least one network bang op in each zone, so there are a lot who may be online. Seems to me they were banned locally right away instead of network wide. Just lack of procedure Jab.
Hakaku Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 P.S. Not critisizing SSC Council, they do their work well.(just wanted to make that clear)Well if you aren't going to criticize them, then I will. I've already mentioned in several other threads that the BanG ops do a very poor job at what they do, not to mention that they're rarely online if active much at all. I laugh at the excuse given for not allowing me to be able to ban users for more than 7 days within my own zone, being that my player name doesn't appear on the pub map. But it's unfortunately a problem that will doubtfully ever be resolved, as people in subspace enjoy lingering on to what little power they still have, rather than either getting active or passing the torch onto others.
»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 Well i say it out of respect for the people in SSC Council who do what they can to get things done and not the ones who dont do much and are inactive.
Samapico Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 Seems to me they were banned locally right away instead of network wide. Just lack of procedure Jab.What do you mean? IT's not like local bans 'prevent' putting netbans on him... we have all his info, and you can raise a local ban to a network ban. He'll just keep bypassing anyway... Luckily, he's the only person enough of a loser to keep doing it. He said something to PoLiX along the lines of: I feel bad for this game Why the hell is he doing all he can to hack everyone playing it if he feels bad for it? It makes no sense...
»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 Lol I can kindof understand... "he hates people on this game, and he liked it so since they ruined it for him he wants to do the same" kindof logic.
Samapico Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 Oh, you mean the kind of logic that usually gets you to spend the rest of your life in an asylum?
CRe Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 There is at least one network bang op in each zone Not in everyone.
»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 Let's face it, There are holes in the system we need patched up. I want to hear PoLiX's opinion on this.
»Lynx Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 Why do you need to hear Polix's opinion on this? Why does it matter? Polix is just another player, and his opinion is just as moot as yours or mine. The system isn't perfect, and it's run by a few people who aren't often online... But who's going to be the next person to get SSC? From what I can tell, the people who I'd like to see with SSC aren't really interested, and the others probably wouldn't get it because they don't get along with the current SSC members, so the vote would automatically be bias. This guy doing all this 'hacking' is a newb. He tried to send a hack which is completely fucking useless (i.e. it doesn't work, I've checked) and is completely outdated, AND requires a previous hacking tool to be installed on the infected machine. Furthermore, if anybody believes a private message saying 'Hey, change your password to Temp1' then they should be hacked for being a ultra-tard, and furthermore it should have all been settled by a few arena messages. Oh, and I wonder how he'd find out who's password has been changed, and who's hasn't? I mean, his whole method is retarded from the start, and we should just laugh at him. I'm sure he was laughing at the way that you're making a fuss out of it, at the end of the day - that's the only thing that's thriving him to keep doing what he's doing. The best tactic is to resolve, ban, and keep a note. These threads do nothing more than cause whoever to do what they done again, and maybe next time do a better job of it. The SQL injection was a pretty big exploit, but the fact that it was kept under covers is a good thing - because it prevents the exploiter from keeping interest in doing such activities. In my opinion, this whole topic should be closed. You want to hear the SSC is full of elitest men who don't spend enough time on the game, then you've heard it... You hear it pretty much every time SSC is mentioned, but parading it here doesn't do much. This is the internet, if you want anything - kiss ass, or do something productive yourself. Everything else is pointless and a waste of time and emotion. -Lynx
»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 1) I respect PoLiX's opinion. 2) I don't care rly that he sucked at hacking, and The threats are not hacks themselves. The reason I Looked into this is when players became at risk with virus infected websites being linked up to people. That's when things get serious. 3) The reason why i even started this topic was to notify the lack of procedure, just as mike said himself. Dude why have you been so harsh on the forums lately. Take it easy man. :/
CRe Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 Why do you need to hear Polix's opinion on this? Why does it matter? Polix is just another player, and his opinion is just as moot as yours or mine. The system isn't perfect, and it's run by a few people who aren't often online... But who's going to be the next person to get SSC? From what I can tell, the people who I'd like to see with SSC aren't really interested, and the others probably wouldn't get it because they don't get along with the current SSC members, so the vote would automatically be bias. This guy doing all this 'hacking' is a newb. He tried to send a hack which is completely fucking useless (i.e. it doesn't work, I've checked) and is completely outdated, AND requires a previous hacking tool to be installed on the infected machine. Furthermore, if anybody believes a private message saying 'Hey, change your password to Temp1' then they should be hacked for being a ultra-tard, and furthermore it should have all been settled by a few arena messages. Oh, and I wonder how he'd find out who's password has been changed, and who's hasn't? I mean, his whole method is retarded from the start, and we should just laugh at him. I'm sure he was laughing at the way that you're making a fuss out of it, at the end of the day - that's the only thing that's thriving him to keep doing what he's doing. The best tactic is to resolve, ban, and keep a note. These threads do nothing more than cause whoever to do what they done again, and maybe next time do a better job of it. The SQL injection was a pretty big exploit, but the fact that it was kept under covers is a good thing - because it prevents the exploiter from keeping interest in doing such activities. In my opinion, this whole topic should be closed. You want to hear the SSC is full of elitest men who don't spend enough time on the game, then you've heard it... You hear it pretty much every time SSC is mentioned, but parading it here doesn't do much. This is the internet, if you want anything - kiss ass, or do something productive yourself. Everything else is pointless and a waste of time and emotion. -Lynx I completely support everything Lynx said.
»Lynx Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 That reply is nonsensical. I'm harsh, because these (public) forums drive players like him to carry on doing what he's doing. -Lynx
»jabjabjab Posted June 23, 2009 Author Report Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) Ill just ignore Lynx entirely and assume this origionally as I did as a side-note for SSC to understand what's going on when they are offline. As a side note to the topic, I might be overally giving on info, but i give everything, and what is the problem with that? Edited June 23, 2009 by jabjabjab
MikeTheNose Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 Seems to me they were banned locally right away instead of network wide. Just lack of procedure Jab.What do you mean? IT's not like local bans 'prevent' putting netbans on him... we have all his info, and you can raise a local ban to a network ban. He'll just keep bypassing anyway... Luckily, he's the only person enough of a loser to keep doing it. He said something to PoLiX along the lines of: I feel bad for this game Why the hell is he doing all he can to hack everyone playing it if he feels bad for it? It makes no sense... What I ment was that the banning was done incorrectly. A local ban should never have been made in the first place. All it does is force the player to enter another zone. And to totally kill the fact that no netop was online....Pure_Luck is one.
MikeTheNose Posted June 23, 2009 Report Posted June 23, 2009 Regardless. I will correct the problem with a netop not being online.
PoLiX Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 I've discussed the issue with a couple ops and ghost ship a few times. Something may come of it, though I know Ghost has been busy lately. I banned him from Chaos as no staff was on to silence him, so felt it might force him to a zone where some staff was on. I warned quite a few people to warn their fellow staff members, so most of SSC knew, but when they went into SWZ, we we're powerless. And as for why people ask for my opinion (as it seems to be a common thing lately, and a lot of people coming to me with issues), I have a track record of actually accomplishing solving or fixing issues. I already passed most of what is happening to Ghost, and even e-mailed Priit to see if there is ANYTHING we can do to solve/remedy this issue.
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