Rapidshare

[Samapico]

Stay on topic... Ace, they were just saying that they agree with Brain, we can stop to talk about this now. Not about this whole thing, but about Brain's post and whole God thing.

Everyone stfu. Edit: a nice new clean page for this too, perfect.

 

Any single other post about this and I'll need to do a big split, and I don't want that cause I'm lazy. Thank you.

 

 

Now, on topic,

 

I wouldn't be against a new client, but they'll want full control on it, and that would be bad :/

[Cheese]

additionally, continuum is distributed, which means if anything goes wrong, we all start up our own copies of bots, zones, billers, and directories...

[RiiStar]

Why don't they just get behind / give support for the 2 main projects we have going already for a new client...

Flab's SSTF & Bak's Discretion ? They're well matured projects as they stand so far, with ppl who are still

around in this community.

 

I just hope the orginator of these emails and queries in zones are legitimate and not a wormhole sucking us in.

"I am owning one of the biggest websites world-wide... all ur source belong to Rapidshare sucka..."

 

I think that it could have benefits and may help the population, but to me they've gone to wrong way about

how they approached the subject and have displayed a sense of disregard to our little world, specificly

when stating they'll just clone the game anyway...

 

All i can say is that sitting on the fence on this debate will show so interesting events from both factions...

[Kilo]

While it's cute that AKD and a SSF Admin are calling me out by stating that my post was motivated by unnamed "personal issues" with Brain, as one can see from the above this is blatantly untrue as my post was not directed at Brain to begin with.

It's pretty strong language to say that anyone's treating Brain's word like it's law especially given my OP to which you were responding. Like it was said, we were just agreeing with what he said. So clearly there is something going on (whether it be with me or not) and I'm sure you agree it doesn't belong.

Sorry, Sama.

 

 

Back on what's important: I don't trust anyone who hasn't already been involved in the SS community and especially development to even have a clue what to do for a new client needs. All of the resources in the world can't buy you experience or what you need to make a successful project (let alone a successful Continuum-replacement.) This is why existing projects, especially BaK's, which have been focused from the start on making a program that does things the right way, are promising.

 

Anything that attempts to change the fundamental nature of what Continuum is or how it's ran messes with the formula that's made it so successful. If we don't take this opportunity, we may be acting stubbornly conservative (but that's nothing new,) but we know what works and frankly I don't think a random business would ever understand.

[»doc flabby]

I'm pretty open minded about this whole thing, i just want to see what they want to offer, and what they want in return, and what their business plan is before making my mind up a bout it, the details are vauge

 

Why don't they just get behind / give support for the 2 main projects we have going already for a new client...

Flab's SSTF & Bak's Discretion ? They're well matured projects as they stand so far, with ppl who are still

around in this community.

 

I agree with you RiiStar. But i think also if as many people who showed interest in this topic, showed interest in Discretion and helped develop it, its likely we would have a working substitute client by now. I really would like to see more support for these projects, Discretion is getting really close to being a workable replacement. My project STF is somewhat different, in aim and completion so I can understand a lack of interest, but Discretion IS the real deal, and some parts of it are really slick, having tried it i love it, and i really think you guys should try to support it more.

[Disturbance]

I agree that this is what SS could be waiting for. But i'm not sure if people can let go of the power they have within SS. Alot of people on it are power hungry.

 

 

Power hungry staff shouldn't retain power unless they're useful. "useful" and "power hungry" is an oxymoron though. I am a sysop in Chaos, I consider myself useful, however if me losing my power would boost SS population even 10% I would quit being staff.

 

As long as the game remains 'Free' all around to play and there's no premium etc etc then i'd cave like a fat girl on a twinkie. (I already have Rapidshare premium account anyway).

[BlueGoku]

I'll say the same thing I said to the rest of the council when this was brought up:

 

Subspace couldn't survive commercially 10 years ago when it was fresh and the graphics weren't outdated. Cosmic Rift couldn't survive commercially despite upgraded graphics and game engine. Continuum will not survive commercially. What attracts people to this game is the community. The community is bolstered by having other players as staff instead of mindless customer service reps.

 

Unfortunately for SS it's a lose-lose situation. Either we hand everything every zone owner has over to rapidshare and trust that a megacorporation has our community's best interests (it doesn't, corporations care only for making money. if they didn't think they could make a profit they would not be doing this) or say thanks but no thanks and hope they just lose interest. Because if their clone actually does get coded and they settle all legal issues, SS is done anyway.

 

"Go along with them, what's the worst that could happen?" The worst that could happen is SS YET AGAIN does not function as a commercial game and it gets dropped by rapidshare. Say what you will about priitk but the guy is hosting 70% of the zones, 90% of the most played ones. He asks for nothing in return. If we all leave for this new subspace clone and it gets dropped, we won't have anywhere to come back to. You would be severing all ties with priit without having a backup, as even with priit's resources I'm sure he won't pay for servers if they aren't being used. Say it doesn't get dropped by rapidshare. Would you pay 5 bucks to play a nightwasp in chaos? Are you willing to put up with advertisements every time you enter a zone? There's only so many things rapidshare can do to make a profit off of SS, it's either gonna be a ton of advertisements, micro-transactions or a straight up monthly fee.

 

Don't kid yourselves, this isn't the "answer" SS has been looking for, though it's pretty much bound to have the same effect. It's just that nobody's really put in much thought on what the consequences of abandoning priitk will be and how they weigh in with the many advantages he's offered.

Edited April 30, 2009 by BlueGoku

[Steigerwald]

What ever we say, it really doesn't matter, and will not take us anywhere.

 

We are locked into this games politics and such until population hits 0 across every zone, then it can truly die.

[Hakaku]

Can I just point out that Cosmic Rift sucked to start out with? They never had the playerbase before they went pay-to-play, so it was inevitable that without attracting enough users the population would die. At its peak, it had an average of maybe 20 players (from what I saw), that's far less than the poorly marketed SubSpace had. Also, it was never marketed alone, since it was part of the Sony Station Pass games, so already there was competition between two other games for the same players.

 

I'm kind of curious to see how Star Trek DAC will fair out, and whether or not they'll go pay-to-play or keep it at 10$ purchase. If they're successful, then there's no reason that RS couldn't take the chance with a top-down multiplayer space action shooter as well.

[Sneakerz]

Would you pay 5 bucks to play a nightwasp in chaos?

 

What BG, are you saying the nightwasp sucks?

 

All kidding aside, I am personally on the fence. I'd love to see some advertisement for SS, but at what cost to the community. For those of you saying "power hungry" mods run SS, what you fail to realize, is those same "power hungry" mods are the ones that are constantly monitoring the zones they are in, are constantly updating settings/maps/etc, and are doing it because they enjoy it, not because they are getting paid to do it. So, if a corp took control of subspace, what would change? Well, unless they left the current staff in place, (and mind you, I would still be willing to do what I currently do with no pay) you would end up with people that don't understand the finer points of setting, maps, etc. You would also end up with staff that worked for a company, who have no real care for the players. I mean, let's be realistic here, have you ever met a GM that wasn't just doing their job?

 

Anyway, I suppose I agree with BG. SS failed under VIE, why would that change under rapidshare?

[Guest davinci]

Would you pay 5 bucks to play a nightwasp in chaos?

 

What BG, are you saying the nightwasp sucks?

 

All kidding aside, I am personally on the fence. I'd love to see some advertisement for SS, but at what cost to the community. For those of you saying "power hungry" mods run SS, what you fail to realize, is those same "power hungry" mods are the ones that are constantly monitoring the zones they are in, are constantly updating settings/maps/etc, and are doing it because they enjoy it, not because they are getting paid to do it. So, if a corp took control of subspace, what would change? Well, unless they left the current staff in place, (and mind you, I would still be willing to do what I currently do with no pay) you would end up with people that don't understand the finer points of setting, maps, etc. You would also end up with staff that worked for a company, who have no real care for the players. I mean, let's be realistic here, have you ever met a GM that wasn't just doing their job?

 

Anyway, I suppose I agree with BG. SS failed under VIE, why would that change under rapidshare?

 

That's true, VIE went under and Subspace went with it.

 

Continuum has been, and will always be a tight community. You don't want bigger people getting a hold of this game and taking control of it, if they want to advertise the game then by all means let them do it. If they commercialize it they could easily charge money and fill their fat pockets with more coins. Content would be slowly pumped out, and if any did come out we'd most likely have to pay for each installment. GameMasters would run the game as they see fit, and much to the annoyance of veterans their style of moderating will be completely different than what we're used to (more relaxed staff, although there are the useless staffers that do nothing but abuse people and contribute nothing to the zone). Priitk probably saw this too, he could have easily given the source code to anyone that's offered him money, but he hasn't yet. He knows the folly of letting a bigger company take control of what we already know and handle so well.

[Cancer+]

I think they should propose a full out plan to Ghost Ship or whoever is "in charge of saying yes."

 

Explain EXACTLY what they are going to do and how they are going to do it. Like all the zones will be theirs? Only they are allowed to create new zones? etc etc.

[Samapico]

Like all the zones will be theirs? Only they are allowed to create new zones? etc etc.

 

 

That would sooo kill the game really fast...

 

Well actually, they couldn't forbid anyone to make his own zone.. but maybe the access to the main biller would be restricted

[»Blocks]

This is hardly relevant, but someone on another forum pointed out that Continuum is already on RapidGames.

 

http://games.rapidshare.com/gamesnew/detai...p;rubrik=client

[»Purge]

That's interesting, but it only looks like an advertisement. Plus they got the Genre wrong.

[PoLiX]

E-mail sent, topic closed.

 

I will forward reply to council, and after a few days re-open this topic with new e-mails. As I said, I am a bit more transparent on things going on than others.

[PoLiX]

Well, we we're right. From the new head CEO himself (Bobby Chang), they want to take over everything, and offer it as "free at 1st". So I am 100% sure this seals any cooperation between us and them on anything (ie: advertising) as a no go.

[Samapico]

too bad

 

 

Now... what happens if they do make a clone and start their own thing? We just... go undercover in their servers and tell people to get Continuum cause it's free?

 

If they make their own thing pay2play, I'm sure we could somehow grab their players

Though they would probably not make a clone, but something more... 2009.

[»Lynx]

Let's go on their servers and tell their players to play Continuum, anyway. It's cooler.

[Dr Brain]

They'll never replace Continuum without player run servers. Cosmic Rift didn't, and any Rapid Share clone won't.

[L.C.]

Well, we we're right. From the new head CEO himself (Bobby Chang), they want to take over everything, and offer it as "free at 1st". So I am 100% sure this seals any cooperation between us and them on anything (ie: advertising) as a no go.

Meh, guess I was wrong.

 

Now... what happens if they do make a clone and start their own thing? We just... go undercover in their servers and tell people to get Continuum cause it's free? tongue.gif

Let's go on their servers and tell their players to play Continuum, anyway. It's cooler.

Hahah, free and everything!

[»doc flabby]

Well, we we're right. From the new head CEO himself (Bobby Chang), they want to take over everything, and offer it as "free at 1st". So I am 100% sure this seals any cooperation between us and them on anything (ie: advertising) as a no go.

Its strikes me as incredible how little homework, and the lack of imagination they had on this whole thing. And why "free at 1st" would never go down well. I mean if people who play Continuum wanted to pay, they'd have been playing cosmic rift

 

And to be honest you would probably run the entirety of subspace (all the servers / bandwidth ) for about $200/month which would be pretty minimal to a large company. You could probably find that kind of money though advertising revenue alone, or by selling value added stuff (or second life style, rent your own arena in a zone for example).

Edited May 9, 2009 by doc flabby

[PoLiX]

Well if anyone wants to decipher the exact quote as they wish, I decipher it as a possibility free at 1st, but some say it sounds like never.

 

Goal is to bring much more people from all over the world to the game. Maybe for free in the beginning but also depend of our discussion.

 

So yes, once they do this (if), we can grab their players with our free one.

[Acer]

This might be Continuum's chance to go big. xD It's awesome to see someone that's big in life that actually played SS. Edited May 9, 2009 by Acer101

[MikeTheNose]

nevermind