Assisted suicide

[NBVegita]

However, when it comes to naive kids having sex without condoms and then demanding abortions, I say fuck that, and fuck them.

 

I would 100% agree with this stance...if they didn't suck up the welfare system.

 

I would 100% agree with this stance if I didn't have to take any of my money and give it to them. Hell where I grew up people deliberately had kids to abuse the system. So it's not really that I would be concerned for them or their children, I'm just mad that I have to pay for their actions.

[Bak]

the babies life could still be saved by abortion

[»Lynx]

Lol.. Bak... Fucker...

 

If they induce childbirth, do surgery, whatever...

 

Also, chances are they'll probably have kids sooner or later, and will probably be just as dumb and just as likely to claim welfare.

 

-L

[Stibbymicto]

Edited March 18, 2009 by Stibbymicto

[»Lynx]

Firstly, I'm not saying it was your quote, I'm just showing you the pointlessness in bolding something that I've already read as to telegraph that I never understood it, or miscomprehended it. Thankfully I don't really need you to hit points into my head with a bold-head hammer, anyway...

 

If you consider assisted suicide to be a 'perfectly normal way to go' then you've got a weird way of thinking about a normal death, and if it ever did get to the point where assisted suicide did become a perfectly normal way of death, then it would soon be readily available to those who don't have terminal diseases or whatever other ... problem.

 

Also, if you agree with nb because of his extremist points of people being hung from ceilings, splattered all over walls and pouring from their wrists, then that's cool but maybe in reality it's not quite like that. Statistics show that people are more concerned about their dignity after death, and those who do come close to jumping off a bridge usually have a 'let me rethink this' factor.

 

And as to your mothers job role, then that's a pretty significant change in story. If somebody asks me where they can go for an abortion, I don't direct them to McDonalds, I direct them to an abortion clinic. I think that's a pretty different thing than pulling the trigger yourself. Same goes if somebody asks me where they can have assistance in their suicide, I'll tell them Switzerland, because I personally don't give a flying fuck whether they kill themselves, because I'm not here to be a saint or dictate to people how to live their lives. However, I think that people who have a thorough understanding of how people think in times of despair and trauma, as well as an in depth understanding of medicine and progress should dictate strict rules as to whether doctors should be allowed to assist in a suicide. Now, as far as I know that's how the system currently works, and as I've already stated obviously works.

 

Also, people aren't expected to do their jobs, despite of religious bias, but jobs should be understanding of a multicultural societies religious backgrounds. If your doctor refused you treatment because of his religious views, on what circumstances would this ever happen? So for example, if you requested to be doped up so much to never wake up, he'd refuse you because you'd be basically killing yourself, a job in which he's not there for. The same goes if you were demanding treatments that would effectively diminish your health.

 

And as for the outdated Hippocratic oath snipe, NBV already mentioned that, and the most current one is not more than ~50 years old.

 

-L

[NBVegita]

Statistics show that people are more concerned about their dignity after death, and those who do come close to jumping off a bridge usually have a 'let me rethink this' factor.

 

Please cite that as from: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publication...ion/index.shtml

 

"Firearms, suffocation, and poison are by far the most common methods of suicide, overall."

 

Hanging falls under suffocation just for clarification. So I guess it's extreme for me to mention 2 of the three largest causes of suicide? I mean it's hard to suffocate yourself without rope, short of drowning, which isn't an easy task to do alone and I'd like to see the firearm suicide that didn't involve a great mess. It's actually much less frequent that people will jump to commit suicide because A) it's more intimidating to jump off a large building/bridge/cliff than it is to kick a chair out from under your feet or pull a trigger. Unless you jump from an absurd height, you have a much better chance of survival supposed to having the rope break or the bullet somehow misses your brain. C) It's much more difficult and time consuming, to get access to an absurdly high height than it is to buy a shot gun or 5 yards of rope.

 

Now, as far as I know that's how the system currently works, and as I've already stated obviously works.

 

That is an opinion statement. To you the system obviously works as it is in line with your beliefs. To someone who would like the option of assisted suicide the system obviously doesn't work. All systems work in this manner. The system either works or doesn't simply based on which side of the fence you're on. (For the most part.)

[»Lynx]

I'm not basing that system working on my line of judgment, but that there are a lot of professionals who are within the system on a term basis who continually review whether assisted suicide should be, or should not be allowed. Hence why there are changes of decision every so often on protocol and rules.

 

If the professional judgment changes to suit your opinion, I'll stand by my opinion that the system works - just because it doesn't suit your opinion, however, doesn't mean that it does not work.

 

Also, on the gun factor - it's actually very hard to get a gun here in the UK, although it is easier to hang yourself you have to be pretty damn sure that you're going to do it while you make the noose, put it around your neck and kick the chair, and even then not try to escape from the knot. Also, as your statistics say 8-25 of every single suicide attempt doesn't go through, although it doesn't say whether that was due to failure or people backing out, however I've heard on a BBC survey not too long ago that the majority of all suicide cases, the person backs out, and in a very large amount of suicide cases the person has tried to back out and failed.

 

-L

[NBVegita]

First, on the 8 to 25 the exact quote is:

 

"An estimated eight to 25 attempted suicides occur per every suicide death."

 

Thus meaning you actually have to attempt suicide. It is not attempting suicide to tie a noose hang it from the ceiling and then think maybe not. Nor is it attempted suicide to load a gun put the barrel in your mouth and then decide you don't want to pull the trigger.

 

Now you're saying a system works simply because it's in place? I suppose that a system in place is working in the crudest sense of the word, but that doesn't mean it is working efficiently/fairly/any other way you can think of. You can't use direct statistics for this "system" because whether the outcome is positive or negative depends on your beliefs. Some people might believe that less assisted suicides is a positive while another may think the opposite.

 

Again I would aslo state that in your opinion the system works because you believe that other should be able to dictate if we can have euthanasia or not. I would say that it should be up to each individual person, not a small group of people who may or may not have their own agenda with the situation.

 

Thus looking at the system as it is, it does not work for my beliefs and if the system does not work for my beliefs, the system does not work to me. I believe I should have the right to euthanasia and if I wanted that right now, in my state I could not get it, thus the system has failed me.

 

and in a very large amount of suicide cases the person has tried to back out and failed.

 

The overwhelming leading cause of suicide death is gun shot. Kinda hard to back out of that...and fail. Also could you please cite a source for this? Also I find it nearly impossible to indicate if the person "tried to back out" and failed due to the fact that the majority of suicides are committed alone. If they commit suicide and succede, you will never hear from them. In fact I would venture to say that in the majoriy of suicides it would be nearly impossible to determine after they shot/hung/poisoned/jumped from a building, if they tried to back out.

[Bak]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/18/cancer.God.religion/