ESCANDAL0SA Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 to be honest, taking care of a baby isn't as hard as everybody makes it seem and i'm doing it without help from my parents/family. Quote
Bak Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Posted February 19, 2009 the parents aren't even old enough to legally get a part time job. Quote
Hakaku Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 well it aint them who are gonna pay for the expenses obviously. Quote
Stibbymicto Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 I agree with L0SA. It isn't that big of a deal.Yes a 12 year old had a child with a 15 year old. But they are still going to take care of that child. Sama ::How do you know they aren't capable of raising a child? you never know until you try. I've seen kids work better with kids then most adults do. Quote
NBVegita Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 I have no idea how much nappies cost and i'm 24, i have very little personal income....if i was to have a child does that make me a bad dad? I would say irresponsible, I guess that is a better term than bad, even allocated towards those children. If you don't have the fiscal means to support a child, it is irresponsible to bring them into the world. As for their story, being it's already headline news, I high doubt they're going to sell it for much, plus with the controversy out that it's not even his kid, the only avenue they have for money is Jerry Springer. Note how the family of octuplets that hit the news is about to foreclose on their house because they can't afford it. It's not THAT big of a story. Quote
»Ducky Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 The mother of the octuplets just got an agent, does that count? Quote
Stibbymicto Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 One quick thing :: Lol. But anyways, I blame the doctor for the octuplets. As it is physically impossible for a human female to have more then 3 kids at one time naturally. She must have done that little petri dish fertilization, what idiot of a doctor puts all ten of her eggs back in her? Quote
ESCANDAL0SA Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 if you think about it, you'll never be financially ready to support a child, no matter what age you are. so you can't say that people who aren't ready to support a child are irresponsible for bringing one into the world.some of our parents probably weren't financially stable when they had us, and this applies to many adults, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't have kids. i don't think people who don't have any kids should be saying that these teens aren't capable of raising a child. until you do it and until you become a parent, you aren't in any place to judge. and all this talk of abstinence is bullshit lol. you can't tell teens, at the most rebellious stages of their life, to stay away from sex altogether. that's only gonna make them want to have sex even more. btw, America obviously has higher teen pregnancies... have you seen how American high school girls are? lol. they're complete hoes, having sex in schools and doing nasty shit. they need to teach some morals and values in that country. thank god i moved to Canada. Quote
NBVegita Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 if you think about it, you'll never be financially ready to support a child, no matter what age you are. lol? If you are financially stable and can realistically take on the cost of supporting a child, then you are financially ready to have a child. If you don't have a job, have no concept of money and struggle to support yourself, you are not financially responsible. There is an obvious deviation from money you plan for a child and how much one will cost, but that is the same with anything in life. If you don't have your own life in order then it is irresponsible to bring another life into it. You don't have to be rich to be a good parent, but you are not at least moderately financially stable, it is immature and irresponsible to bring a child into your life whom needs your support to survive. It's also irresponsible to bring a child into the world while relying on other people to support not only yourself, but the child too. Not saying that finance is the only determining factor concerning have a child, it is just one factor that can determine if you acted irresponsibly or not. i don't think people who don't have any kids should be saying that these teens aren't capable of raising a child. The question isn't if they are capable of raising a child, the question is how well they will raise the child and the impact that it will have on their lives. The fact that she is a little ho, means they most likely won't stay together, not that at 13 and 15 there is a high chance of that anyway, which is one strike against the child. Money is the second strike against the child, you don't have to have a moderate income to be a good parent, but you need to understand money. Well I guess that ties into maturity, which at 13 and 15 you are no where near the maturity level needed to raise a child. Hell you are still a child yourself! I don't want to hear any of this crap about "Most 40 year olds aren't mature enough to raise a child". The majority of people at the age of 20 are vastly more mature than those at 15. The majority of people at 25 are infinitely more mature than those at 15. It's hard to talk of maturity when your hardest decision in life has been to play video games or watch cartoons on a Saturday morning. Is it possible to gain this maturity as the child grows? Sure. That's life. Some people will, some people won't. No matter how you look at it, having a child at 13 and 15 is irresponsible. Quote
CRe Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 No matter how you look at it, having a child at 13 and 15 is irresponsible. I agree with this statement. Quote
»doc flabby Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) No matter how you look at it, having a child at 13 and 15 is irresponsible.No irresponsible is not teaching your kids about sex, contraception (any why this is important) and relationships...and responsibiltiy. I blame the parents of these children...not the children...if you read the stories in the paper the parents are basically now cashing in on this. The parents of these children don't care because they know the state will pay for everything.In our screwed up system the girl will now get her own house and and massive benefits (remember they are tax-free) totalling more than what i earn working. The system REWARDS this behavior...i dont understand why people are so surprised when it happens..theres a massive carrot there. Why work when you can have babies and be fed and clothed by the state instead...its an attractive alternative. Not to meantion in our scewed up country getting married makes you pay more tax....than if you are simply living together. With that kinda lack of moral authority from the state...not to meantion the very childish behavior of many of our politions and attitudes to aspects of society..we are simply seeing the results. Its these fucking baby boomers...the most selfish generation...They've scrwed up the enviroment, screwed up our financial system...screwed up our society......pretty much removed any sensible way of disiplining children...oh and we are gonna be pying higher taxies to pay for there medical care and pensions...when we retire we will be lucky to get a pension....IOts the same baby boomers who are running all these record labels and suing kids....same ones who have destroyed childrens television...same ones who want to CONTROL EVERYTHING (as long as they can still do what they want)...the same ones who contantly REWARD FAILURE....in the past they never rewarded failure like they do now...and its no wonder why we havn invented anything substanical after the internet...The worst thing is they ARE the biggest hypocrytics...they keep telling us we are the BAD people...we ARE out of country...we are runing the country...the truth is...you created this...who taught us how to be behave...you reap what you sow? Its gonna take years to put this mess back together and its gonna be us who have to do it. Our society is broken in the UK. But don't blame the kids...they didn't break it. But i have hope...the internet fills me with hope...you see so much creativeness from our generation and good things that we do. Edited February 20, 2009 by doc flabby Quote
»Ducky Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 You know, my mother always used to tell me not to touch hot things."You'll get burned, it will hurt a lot. Don't do it." And then one day I burned myself regardless of the hundreds of warnings. Yup Quote
ESCANDAL0SA Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 NBVegita, this girl is young but being pregnant matures you quicker than anything and i know this from experience. it can be looked at in two ways... people might call her irresponsible for bringing a child into the world at such a young age. and then others will say that she's responsible for owning up to the consequences of her actions and not aborting the baby. but there are many people in their 20s and 30s who have a stable job, but aren't financially stable because they don't have their priorities straight. at least these kids seem to have their sense of priority straightened out. i can admit that before i got pregnant, i wasn't financially stable. even though i had a nice paying job, i wasn't ready to support a child financially. i thought i was but i was so wrong lol. on top of bills, food, diapers, toys, clothes for the baby, it'll easily clean out your bank account even if you made 200k a year. reality is, everyone will struggle with the costs of raising a child regardless of how much money you make. but i'm sure in the UK there's a welfare system that will help them out financially. Quote
Bak Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Posted February 21, 2009 Not to meantion in our scewed up country getting married makes you pay more taxI don't believe you. Link? Quote
»doc flabby Posted February 21, 2009 Report Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) i'm sure in the UK there's a welfare system that will help them out financially.thats is essentially the problem in the UK. You can earn more by having babies and using the welfare system than by working....Theres a financial incentive Not to meantion in our scewed up country getting married makes you pay more taxI don't believe you. Link?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4061560...tax-system.htmlmy dad is an accountant and has also told this several years ago.....it seems only recently the media is catching up...its better not to get married for tax purposes (except if one of you dies...because then you can avoid inheritance tax by getting married, which is one of the reasons jade goody is rushing though her marriage) Edited February 21, 2009 by doc flabby Quote
Bak Posted February 21, 2009 Author Report Posted February 21, 2009 that's a bit deceptive, since its not that they're being punished for marrying, it's just that they no longer need the government support because they're combining their income and therefore can afford a little bit more (and therefore dont need all the government help). It only seems to happen with low income marriages, whereas your quote made it sound like it happened to everyone. By a similar measure, people are being "punished" when they stop collecting unemployment because they found a job. Quote
»doc flabby Posted February 23, 2009 Report Posted February 23, 2009 (edited) that's a bit deceptive, since its not that they're being punished for marrying, it's just that they no longer need the government support because they're combining their income and therefore can afford a little bit more (and therefore dont need all the government help). It only seems to happen with low income marriages, whereas your quote made it sound like it happened to everyone.2 people living together and combining their income will pay less tax than a married couple. That in my opinion is an incentive NOT to get married and a punishment to people who are married. Low income (sic, its not really "that" low) marriages are the ones where the amount of tax paid is going to be much more important. If you earn alot of money...paying alot of tax isnt going to bother you...plus you can normally get tax advisers to find loopholes or ways to save money By a similar measure, people are being "punished" when they stop collecting unemployment because they found a job.2. Which is why we have loads of people claiming "incapacity" benefit in this country because you can earn more from benefits than from a low paying job. Edited February 23, 2009 by doc flabby Quote
valate Posted February 24, 2009 Report Posted February 24, 2009 wow. too much typing. im to lazy to read it all. but all i got to say is. whos the 15 year old and who is the 12 year old?and anyways. having sex at that age is irresponsible enough. they could atleast buy a condom? jesus. Quote
Bak Posted February 24, 2009 Author Report Posted February 24, 2009 Low income (sic, its not really "that" low) marriages are the ones where the amount of tax paid is going to be much more important.From what I understood it's not that they're paying more taxes, it's that they're receiving less benefits. Quote
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