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[NBVegita]

It's great to be the great anarchist against the evil that is government and with all men as cattle, that you are the only enlightened one in the world, but until you are Jesus, Muhammad, (Insert religious prophet here) you are no more enlightened that anyone else educated in the matter.

 

Simply said, if you don't know who you are, I can become your God.

 

That is a false statement again. Most men will never know truly who they are but will instead decide who they are not. The only way you can blind someone, as to cattle them is for them to be truly and unequivocally lost as to the man/woman they are.

[Tigron-X]

It's great to be the great anarchist against the evil that is government and with all men as cattle, that you are the only enlightened one in the world, but until you are Jesus, Muhammad, (Insert religious prophet here) you are no more enlightened that anyone else educated in the matter.

 

Anarachy can never truly exist because there will always be law, just not the ones you're accustomed to obeying or enforcing. Civil disobedience against unjust laws doesn't make a man an anarchist. It's pretty arrogant to think so.

 

That is a false statement again. Most men will never know truly who they are but will instead decide who they are not. The only way you can blind someone, as to cattle them is for them to be truly and unequivocally lost as to the man/woman they are.

 

As you cannot possibly know the mental state of others, you don't have the authority to speak on behalf of others. You can only speak for yourself. And your silence is all I need to gain jurisdiction should I be in a position of leverage or influence. What I say can be found in history and even seen today so it is not false. Those who cannot claim their status in law will have it assigned to them by the higher power, thus becoming your god, your lord, your master.

 

 

 

Let's make something clear here: I'm not the one running around using taser guns, a lethal weapon, to gain compliance of subjects.

Edited February 12, 2009 by Tigron-X

[NBVegita]

Actually a taser gun is a non-lethal weapon that can cause lethal body reactions in a minority of people. That's like taking aspirin, having an allergic reaction, dying and having your family sue saying it's a lethal drug.

 

As you cannot possibly know the mental state of others, you don't have the authority to speak on behalf of others. You can only speak for yourself. And your silence is all I need to gain jurisdiction should I be in a position of leverage or influence.

 

What you are saying makes no sense. First off you state that I cannot possibly know the state of others, yet you dictate to me my own state of being? Which was a poor assumption in the first place being I have not posted any of my personal beliefs on the matter in question, thus making an inference as to how I feel about a situation impossible. Next you are assuming that people who are not actively rebelling against current policy would not rebel against you. Simply because someone is not actively burning a flag on their lawn doesn't mean they're a passive sheep waiting to be led with the flock. Again simply having power over another does not make you their god, lord or master. You will never be their god, rarely be their lord and definitely not their master. You talk of arrogance, yet I say the biggest ignorance is to believe that you can become the god of another man. Man will rebel when he must, adapt when he must and endure when he must.

 

My question for you would be what laws do we have that you consider unjust? Considering these laws, what civil disobedience are you enacting to protest said laws? I would like to hear your personal righteousness in action if you don't mind accommodating us.

 

You cite that government can manipulate religion, where as it has been the case through out human history, that government has been manipulated by religion.

[Tigron-X]

Actually a taser gun is a non-lethal weapon that can cause lethal body reactions in a minority of people. That's like taking aspirin, having an allergic reaction, dying and having your family sue saying it's a lethal drug.

 

Courts have ruled it to be lethal.

 

And just because you brought it up: an electric shock to the body by a weapon causing cardiac arrest isn't in the same catagory as drugs causing allergic reactions.

 

 

What you are saying makes no sense. First off you state that I cannot possibly know the state of others, yet you dictate to me my own state of being? Which was a poor assumption in the first place being I have not posted any of my personal beliefs on the matter in question, thus making an inference as to how I feel about a situation impossible. Next you are assuming that people who are not actively rebelling against current policy would not rebel against you. Simply because someone is not actively burning a flag on their lawn doesn't mean they're a passive sheep waiting to be led with the flock. Again simply having power over another does not make you their god, lord or master. You will never be their god, rarely be their lord and definitely not their master. You talk of arrogance, yet I say the biggest ignorance is to believe that you can become the god of another man. Man will rebel when he must, adapt when he must and endure when he must.

 

My question for you would be what laws do we have that you consider unjust? Considering these laws, what civil disobedience are you enacting to protest said laws? I would like to hear your personal righteousness in action if you don't mind accommodating us.

 

There must be some confusion because I've never dictated to you your own state of being. I was pointing out that you cannot possibly know what others know or think; i.e. mental state. So you couldn't possiblly substantiate the claim, "Most men will never know truly who they are but will instead decide who they are not." Unless you're telepathic.

 

How can someone rebel against me when I am not in any position of authority over others.

 

I didn't actually call people sheep or cattle; I used sarcasm to make a point. Granted, people are being classified, tagged, and taser'd like cattle. But, I don't consider people cattle or sheep or any animal.

 

"Again simply having power over another does not make you their god, lord or master."

 

Of course not. Never claimed it did. Power can be gained by force.

 

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' "Alice said.

 

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"

 

"But `glory' doesn't mean `a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected.

 

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, " it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.

 

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean different things."

 

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that's all."

 

(Underline and bold emphasis added)

 

I'm currently in litigation because I've been charged when refusal to sign/accept a citation, and resisting arrest with non-violence.

 

The deputy never presented a citation, so how could I possibly refuse to sign or accept it? It was never offered. I was asking him questions instead of surrendering my license as he demanded. He didn't like that so he arrested me, even pulled a taser gun on me. And because I didn't jump out of my car fast enough, he charged me resisting arrest.

 

Which, when you think about it, it makes civil disobedience a crime. That's scary.

 

If he was in the right, why did he go so far to lie or omit facts in his Charging Affidavit?

 

If our system is so just, why am I having to disqualify the judge for not following the courts own Rules of Criminal Procedure?

 

I have it all on court record.

 

Satisfied?

 

You cite that government can manipulate religion, where as it has been the case through out human history, that government has been manipulated by religion.

 

It can work that way too.

[NBVegita]

taser is a lethal weapon

 

Please cite examples as all authorities I can find dictate them as non-lethal. I myself have been tased in demonstrations for self-defense courses(my sister teaches them), where they are classified as non-lethal and I know that at least the sheriff's office along with the P.D. where I live, also declare them non-lethal. For every source you may be able to produce stating they're lethal, I could produce 10 stating otherwise.

 

As you cannot possibly know the mental state of others, you don't have the authority to speak on behalf of others. You can only speak for yourself. And your silence is all I need to gain jurisdiction should I be in a position of leverage or influence.

 

Even if "your" is used to dictate a group, you're allocating me to that group. By indicating "need", instead of "would need", you are indicating that I am indeed in "silence", thus effectively dictating my state of being. Ultimately this is neither here nor there.

 

Unfortunately all government is not just, simply because all men are not just. I don't know the circumstances behind your arrest/citation, but just so you know, a majority of police cars have video and audio recorders that you can implement in defense of your case.

 

Unfortunately, I don't know what state you are in and the office did act out of accord, but in the majority of states, you are required, if in a motor vehicle, to present your drivers license to a police officer if he is enforcing provisions of the vehicle code of that state. Again I will state that the police officer did not act within accord of the law, in addition the law does tend to defend the officer, but I would hypothesize that to be the exception, not the rule.

 

Which, when you think about it, it makes civil disobedience a crime. That's scary.

 

Again, unfortunate in your case, but no government, nor the people in that government are perfect. Not saying I condone this by any means and in fact if you could even go about contacting different media outlets concerning this case, but I as a whole feel this is the exception.

[Tigron-X]

Please cite examples as all authorities I can find dictate them as non-lethal. I myself have been tased in demonstrations for self-defense courses(my sister teaches them), where they are classified as non-lethal and I know that at least the sheriff's office along with the P.D. where I live, also declare them non-lethal. For every source you may be able to produce stating they're lethal, I could produce 10 stating otherwise.

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflori...ory/923138.html

 

We'll find out soon enough.

 

Even if "your" is used to dictate a group, you're allocating me to that group. By indicating "need", instead of "would need", you are indicating that I am indeed in "silence", thus effectively dictating my state of being. Ultimately this is neither here nor there.

 

Again, I was speaking in general; refering to you, me, whoever. So, let me rephrase it for you: One can gain jurisdiction over another by acquiescence.