Resol Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 This game is already dying. We should be finding a way to keep everyone as connected as possible. I don't understand why it is such a hassle to get connected to the SSC biller. I feel that any respective zone should be entitled to connecting to SSC. I have been waiting for over a year, and I still do not have any idea when and if I can get a slot. Does Priitk seriosly have to add the slot himself, or was this just something I was told so I would shut up? I mean honestly, whats the big deal? Is it that much trouble?
Samapico Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Have you tried to contact the hosts listed in this topic:http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=21167 ?
PoLiX Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Never assume you know everything going on. Just wait til SSForum's next newsletter. Going to be A LOT of interesting updates on it. And it won't even be everything going on as of late. Now as for the SSC, I honestly myself can't say I've seen any non-ssc zones pulling any sort of population. Nor do I even know what zone it is you run? I'd say this is probably your problem. If your zone isn't well known and popular, it probably isn't going anywhere. Edit: Was just told your zone is Armada Assail? A zone that in the past month has had an average pop of 0? And it doesn't look like you yourself have even spent anytime in?
Resol Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Posted January 20, 2009 LOL!!! I can't even get into Armada Assail. And I created a new zone called Digital Core. I have tried to contact freakmonger a 100 times about the problems. I don't even have subbil running. I gave up on AA because it lacked in a lot of things. So I created a new zone to try and boost some population. I have a lot of people that play Digital Core on and off..
PoLiX Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Ah. So SSA. Snrrrub is part of those things going on that will somewhat be announced shortly. So doubt he's had anytime to think about SSC zones. Also, just give it time right now. Patience for all will pay off in the coming months, all I can say there.
Resol Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Posted January 20, 2009 Have you tried to contact the hosts listed in this topic:http://www.ssforum.net/index.php?showtopic=21167 ? Snrrrub host my zone, and the information posted isn't all true. Snrrrub does own any slots. Last I head he had asked for some, but that hasn't happend. All those SSCA zones are zones that already had SSC billing before they moved to SSA. And yes, it is near impossible to have any decent population when 99.9% of the dying population doesn't even know your zone exist. Unless you go around and advertise in ever zone, but who wants to get banned everytime they try that.
PoLiX Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 There is advertising and then there is advertising. Most zones don't care, if you ASK. Even some with rules against it will occasionally be nice, or you'll catch the right op in the right mood and they'll zone it. Starting a zone in the current state of this game is hard if you expect it to really go anywhere, which is why most developers have just attached onto zones. Though trust me, it was harder in the past, much harder.
Resol Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Posted January 20, 2009 Armada Assail, not that great of a zone had an avg pop of 40 all day everyday for about a year in 2003. How was it harder in the past? I had a non-ssc zone for 3 years. And it was getting 20-30+ a day. There was so many people it made it easier. There was a lot more people willing to staff zones, and not just sit in spec, actually play and moderate. I can't even find staff members around that will do that anymore.
PoLiX Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 When I was working on/running zones (2000), you only had SSCE (Ghost Ship's SSCE), SSCU (BD_Vine), and SSCX (Was only Xalimar at the time) as choices for SSC (Besides T3 The Gauntlet itself having SSC). If non of those servers picked you up (VERY rare) and gave you SSC you didn't get it. I had a zone with constant 60+ pop, and peaking over 100 a few times, and it took almost 2yrs to finally get SSC, and we we're the 1st server in 2-3yrs at that time to be allowed SSC access outside of the major servers. Now adays you just have to know the right people and be on 1 of the many with access. Lots of SSC zones and zones who get SSC who really didn't work for it, or don't need it, but they have or got it anyways.
Resol Posted January 20, 2009 Author Report Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) ^ That is what I dont understand. I miss Altec . I guess what I meant by "how is it harder" is that atleast before; even though it was a pain to get on SSC, there was more poulated non-ssc billers. Now, there isn't any zones that get a population they don't have SSC. There are a lot of zones with SSC that are not populated. At first I didn't even want to be on SSC because the biller wasn't as nice as the once I used, and now without being connected to the rest of the game, its near impossible to get anywhere. Edited January 20, 2009 by Resol
PoLiX Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 But even getting SSC won't get you anywhere. Yeah, you can talk to people in other SSC zones. But if you can't get players to support your zone off SSC, getting SSC won't help. In all honesty it cut my zone's pop in half, and killed quite a few zones over time. Look at Fusion for the most recent example. The 1st zone in years that got population off SSC and had a large following. Once it got SSC it slowly began its downfall. Not saying you shouldn't get it, cause by todays standards, you've long met them. Just saying, SSC isn't everything. Don't expect it to turn your zone around overnight. If anything, you'll have more work ahead of you, as most players think SSC zones without pop are dead, or noone wants to play them. Can thank all the merged but still online and dev ssc zones for that.
Hakaku Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Well I wouldn't say Fusion is a great example, since it primarily strived off the remaining population from RedStar, an SSC zone, soon after it went down. And although it could be argued that RedStar was empty near its end, there still was a population there. The staff's failure to maintain the zone led it to that point, which made the zone unappealing to both new and older players at the time. (on an unrelated note, what happened to Fusion anyway?) However, having the ability to chat across zones is one of the most beneficial ways to attract population if your zone doesn't maintain a constant average of players, since it gives the ability to organize games and let players know when others are in the zone. Without it, most players won't bother to remain speccing in an empty zone until someone else comes, and an empty non-ssc zone is worse off than an empty ssc-zone. Though I agree with the rest of your analysis.
»Lynx Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 I thought you not getting SSC was due to more political issues, although I can't really remember them. I have an SSC slot, I might give it to you - that would mean you keep all your population as you're already on SSA and you get the only advantages of SSC billing (cross zone chat, usage). Biller quality wise, you're better with the Isometry biller that Snrrrub provides, and if you're getting population - then I just wonder why bother? Anyway, I'd have to talk to CRe> about the move, as he's also interested in doing some work for Supernova, and if would rather keep SSC (as we're both pretty chatty in-game) then we'd probably keep the slot. If your zone is actually good, then... Well, I'd be more compelled to give it to you. I dunno, we'll talk in game. I'll check your zone out and we could even think about a merger. I don't really care much (i.e. I wouldn't want to be owner or anything of the likes) but I'd like to do a little work here and there. Anyway, I'll talk to CRe> before I be too hasty. -L
rootbear75 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 There was a lot more people willing to staff zones, and not just sit in spec, actually play and moderate. I can't even find staff members around that will do that anymore.A lot of people have moved on. Example: Myself. Why just a year back, i was clamoring for every position I could get because i wanted to help zones out. But i have recently been busy with real life. Long work hours, girlfriend, and future plans. Takes a lot of time. Doesn't help that my comp is fried, but still.
Trained Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) And it doesn't help that very rarely new players are joining. Ive been doing massive amounts of advertising, and MySpace being one of the most popular sites on the web, gave us 343,000 ad views. The bad part is, only 159 people actually clicked, assuming they haven't had Subspace already, and only 8 unique downloads. The numbers aren't very good. Edited January 28, 2009 by Trained
Samapico Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 What's the average number of clicks/views in internet advertising? If you consider that most views are probably half a second long since the person just loaded the page and clicked where he wanted to before even noticing the ad... and that most people don't even care about ads... I doubt it's realistic to hope for more than 1% clicks/viewsNot to mention that search bots probably don't bother with ads either, and they get their share of 'views' themselves (I assume)
»Lynx Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 This if off topic, but what the heck. I'd have to agree with Sama, unless something is targeted at a certain group of people (i.e. a games advert on a games forum) you're not going to get a high number of clicks. I'd suggest for MySpace advertising there should be something about Continuum being: Play your MySpace friends on a massively multilayer online game (don't say MMO, because only geeks will know wtf that means) for free - no FLASH required, play anywhere have some basic pictures of the ships and whatnot, then see how many clicks:ads you get. Advertising something quite arbitrarily on a networking site will never work. I mean, lie if you need to, whatever. -L
rootbear75 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Posted January 30, 2009 try Facebook advertising. It's more "target-advertising" than MySpace is
Trained Posted January 30, 2009 Report Posted January 30, 2009 Um no, actually MySpace is very targeted. Your ad only appears to people who've interests you've check. In this case, ive check "MMO" "Online Games" and some other interests relating to computers. So not everyone on MySpace sees that ad, only people who are interested in the things ive checked. SO BOOYA BITCH
rootbear75 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Posted January 30, 2009 still do facebook... i know a number of people who use facebook and not myspace, and vice versa
MikeTheNose Posted January 31, 2009 Report Posted January 31, 2009 I do encourage discussion about advertising and posts about how to go by doing it but this is the wrong post. This post is OFF TOPIC and is now closed.
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