Thanks

[Chambahs]

Thanks polix for giving the game forum a chance for activity. Even though you gave it 5 days, the 21st to the 25th and then closed early in the day on the 26th. Im sure people love going to the bottom of a forum where they look all the time, and posting in all the threads that were closed about games on christmas eve and christmas day. Because you know, the number of people who are actually at the computer this week is booming, just look at the forum traffic as a whole. Its not like they went away, or spent time with the family.

 

Anyway, thanks, you could have not given the forum a chance at all. But, out of the kindness of your heart, you did give it a chance. I am not mad, all I wanted was the 2nd chance, and you gave it to me. You will hear no more ranting from me, promise. Dont take this as sarcasm, I -really am- thanking you.

 

--Happy holidays.

[»Lynx]

Never mind, there's always the internetz where you can find loads of boring shit out about games... if you're interested.

 

To be completely honest, if i wanted the low down on a game that's just come out, I'd judge it myself by watching the trailer or reading the synopsis. If that doesn't do it justice, the game will probably suck.

 

But, in your defense... I had no idea a game forum existed... but in PoLiX's defense, I wouldn't have visited it anyway.

 

-L

[Cancer+]

lol. Good job not picking sides Lynx

[PoLiX]

The thing is this... Why have a Games Discussion forum on a Forum for a Game... it never made sense to us admins.

 

So it didn't fit in General in anyway (Politics has just been up there forever), so I made it its own category outside of the Subspace Forums. But really, the 21st we're the only posts. The day I added it... And they we're all you. Maybe 1 or 2 on the 22nd, and then dead...

 

It was decided by the admins to remove it, as it really wasn't getting any attention, and the game topics in general we're still pulling attention, so wasn't like game topics we're being ignored.

 

There is lots of other forums out there to visit to discuss games. Hell, my brother has ran 2 different ones in the past, pretty successful. Start your own.

[»Lynx]

Start your own.

 

Sex tip: Don't take advice from forums seriously.

 

-L

[»Purge]

Besides, having a forum for games would drive more people away from Continuum.

[Sketter]

The thing is this... Why have a Games Discussion forum on a Forum for a Game... it never made sense to us admins.

 

I suggest being consistent and apply the same attention/action to World Discussion.

 

 

But, in your defense... I had no idea a game forum existed... but in PoLiX's defense, I wouldn't have visited it anyway.

 

Yes good job on not taking sides

 

Polix - What i question here is did you even try to give it a fair chance? Or just had your judgments dictating the course of action.?

It honestly looked like you took some political twist where you added it, but in a way where it would be set up to fail.

 

You're entitled to do what you want, but you gave false hope.

It was pointless and mean (perhaps insulting) to even entertain chamb in the first place, if all you were trying to do is create epic failure to rub in his face in silence.

 

 

Sketter

Happy Holidays!!

[CRe]

The thing is this... Why have a Games Discussion forum on a Forum for a Game... it never made sense to us admins.

 

I suggest being consistent and apply the same attention/action to World Discussion.

Having a game discussion forum on a forum for a game is like saying "HEY FORGET CONTINUUM GO PLAY THIS INSTEAD". The world discussion forum is not going to give that message out.

 

But, in your defense... I had no idea a game forum existed... but in PoLiX's defense, I wouldn't have visited it anyway.

 

Yes good job on not taking sides

 

Yehp

 

Polix - What i question here is did you even try to give it a fair chance? Or just had your judgments dictating the course of action.?

It honestly looked like you took some political twist where you added it, but in a way where it would be set up to fail.

 

You're entitled to do what you want, but you gave false hope.

It was pointless and mean (perhaps insulting) to even entertain chamb in the first place, if all you were trying to do is create epic failure to rub in his face in silence.

 

He did give it a fair chance. During this week the forums had normal activity and most of the average people that post around here. Polix gave it 5 days and the only poster was Chambahs and maybe 1 or 2 other people. Chamb wanted a game forum and he got it. No matter where we were going to put it, it was going to end up dead.

[Sketter]

I really have nothing against anyone on these forums. So what ever tone is going to be token from my post is up to them.

 

You're points cream is meh, kinda weak.

The forums have worst issues then a gaming section. And with the game in the state how it is, you're better off starting to convert the forums to appeal other aspects. (Or so polix was led us to believe)

Also, you now have topics of games being discussed in general. Unless you make a new rule, instead of having your visitors ignore any game topic that might persuade them to leave continuum, then now have to skim threads of it in general. Which do you think is more in your face of persuasion?

And i know this is something you just made up. Cause if talking about other games was a problem, A-No section would have been made, B-There would be a rule. C-Certainly there wouldn't be a single topic in general about another game.

 

But that isn't even my issue. My only input is if chambs wanted a section, is it to much to ask for one? The debate of it's usefulness is another topic, and something i did not comment on.

 

My only problem is how the issue was resolved. If you put World Discussion at the bottom of the forum i bet you wouldn't notice much movement in there as well.

The most important stuff goes on top and then down the line in priority. That's how things work. Having chamb's section at the bottom, come on. You can't even make agreement to support that.

Even lynx said he didn't know it was there.

Yes he said he wouldn't have visited it, but he still didn't notice it, so it is not Lynx was even given the change to say no. Sounds like you in a settle way, made that choice for him, and perhaps, many others.

I believe (not that it matters to anyone) the intentions where set to fail.

 

As I said...

It was pointless and mean (perhaps insulting) to even entertain chamb in the first place, if all you were trying to do is create epic failure to rub in his face in silence.

 

If you were THAT strongly apposed to it, you should have just stuck to your guns. He is only one man, how many of there are you?

 

Sketter

And a happy new year!

Edited December 27, 2008 by Sketter

[rootbear75]

It was pointless and mean (perhaps insulting) to even entertain chamb in the first place, if all you were trying to do is create epic failure to rub in his face in silence.

 

If you were THAT strongly apposed to it, you should have just stuck to your guns. He is only one man, how many of there are you?

 

Sketter

And a happy new year!

you know whats funny... you bashed yourself....

[Sketter]

It was pointless and mean (perhaps insulting) to even entertain chamb in the first place, if all you were trying to do is create epic failure to rub in his face in silence.

 

If you were THAT strongly apposed to it, you should have just stuck to your guns. He is only one man, how many of there are you?

 

Sketter

And a happy new year!

you know whats funny... you bashed yourself....

 

No i was reinstating what i was saying. Perhaps there was a better way of doing it... maybe if i put the quote last i guess...or....how does it look now?

Edited December 28, 2008 by Sketter

[rootbear75]

No i was reinstating what i was saying. Perhaps there was a better way of doing it... maybe if i put the quote last i guess...or....how does it look now?

better... the way you had it looked like you were responding to the quote

[Hakaku]

Having a game discussion forum on a forum for a game is like saying "HEY FORGET CONTINUUM GO PLAY THIS INSTEAD". The world discussion forum is not going to give that message out.

No, it's not. People have been advertising other games on every forum the second SubSpace was released. Actually, in TW, game discussions are a really popular subject. It doesn't discourage people from no longer playing Continuum; rather it has the opposite effect, since you're engaging the community into discussions that relate to them. If you run a forum, you can't expect to force everyone to talk only about one single topic for years on end, and that's where everyone here has it all wrong. If you never take into consideration your audience, then your audience will go elsewhere.

 

The problem with the SubSpace Forums (i.e. ssforum.net) is that it's strongly geared towards SubSpace (tech help, dev, zones, clients, biller, sscouncil, banG, drama, etc.) with only a bit of other stuff here and there. This has as an effect that talking about other subjects and games don't get as much attention, because face it, not everyone playing Continuum is a rich kid with filthy money to spend on every game he sees in the candy store. Ok, I'm evidently exagerating, but my point is that some if not most people just aren't interested as much in talking about other games. As such, the Games Forum was a bad idea when you take into consideration the preferances of the average user on this forum and the fact that this has been tried before. But don't blame it on the fact that it's detrimental to the game, since you'll start sounding like Al Gore.

 

He did give it a fair chance. During this week the forums had normal activity and most of the average people that post around here. Polix gave it 5 days and the only poster was Chambahs and maybe 1 or 2 other people. Chamb wanted a game forum and he got it. No matter where we were going to put it, it was going to end up dead.

I also strongly disagree with this. He gave it a chance during the holidays for roughly 5 to 6 days depending on your time zone. And frankly, Chambahs is right, that once Christmas hits and soon thereafter, there are generally less people active on the boards. Count and compare the average, it's not that difficult. To add, Polix specifically hid the board in the bottom of the abyss, under the Zones section (where most people never bother looking), and had as a rule of thumb to not displace any other threads. This had as an effect that pretty much only moderators and Chambahs knew about the existence of the forum. The minute he saw that Chambahs wasn't creating anymore threads, he ceased the opportunity to destroy the board.

 

 

To be honest, I'm not picking sides; but there were huge flaws in either ideologies of going about this.

[PoLiX]

1. I added the forum because the other admins we're saying Cham was bugging them all about it.

 

2. World Discussion has ALWAYS been in General, always. Last time we added any non-Subspace forums they we're in another category or a subforum of another forum. Just as was the case here.

 

3. I recently combined all of the Development section since it was really becoming a dead category, and I wanted to bring more light to the fact we do have zone forums here. Adding another category in there for 1 forum would look stupid, and the only place it looked right logged in as a user was at the bottom of the forum.

 

4. I didn't want to have tons of "Moved:" threads in general, nor confuse the poster by moving their post (as I stated in Private Discussion), so I said leave them where they are. And before it comes up, my Steam post was partially geared towards continuum, and eventually the entire topic was about it.

 

5. I had said I didn't want the forum, so why would I give support to it? Last time, I was fine in re-adding it, and wanted to help it get going if it was going to. But it failed for the 3rd time then, and I didn't really feel like putting in effort on the 4th time. So cham had to do the work of getting it going if he wanted it to. I saw nothing being done here in linking or anything, and I saw the normal amount of daily visitors, and him visiting multiple times a day. I assumed he wasn't going to put any personal effort into it, beyond asking for it and expecting us to do the work on something we didn't see the need for. I then decided after Swift saying to remove it many times, to just remove it. No doubt he would of just done it without saying anything to me had the discussion in admin gone on further.

 

Maybe that should clarify some things since everyone wants to make their own reasoning up for me.

[Chambahs]

Lmao, put in efforts? Why? So you can complete my warning to be 100%? Before, I posted in some game threads (NOT the ones that were old), and I got warned to hell. Why would I then go and try it again? Thats like sticking a fork in the wall outlet, once you get shocked, only idiots try and do it again.

 

Yes, i admit i did bump 2 old topics. The street fighter one, and the dx10 one. Street fighter was totally a bump, and i admit to it. But the dx10 one, wasnt spam nor was it a bump, i totally wanted to see if anyone tried out the installer that i linked to and see if anyone got it working because mine doesnt work. If someone said "YA RLY I GOT IT" i woulda been like "OMG TEACH ME PLZ"

 

EDIT: Second thought, there were like 1 or 2 more threads that got bumped, but if you didnt delete all the posts, you could have seen that the bumps werent at me. Check your target before you point your finger next time.

 

Me - talks about games, NOT spamming or posting useless shit. (Those posts had meaning, and were on-topic, and i still dont see why they were considered spam to this day).

 

Polix - warn's to hell and deletes all topics

 

Polix - Creates game forum

 

And you are saying i was supposed to post alot after your last action of creating that forum? Why? So I get bitched at some more? No thanks. Put yourself in my shoes, tell me what you would have done.

 

 

Actually dont, im done with this topic, you dont want it? Guess what? Its your forum, do what you please. I dont pay the bills, you do...or wait, should i say some of the people who actually donate money and help support this forum also have a say in what goes down? Actually, lemme bite my tongue before i get flamed.

Edited December 28, 2008 by Chambahs

[PoLiX]

The Warns we're from the 4 topics you bumped from NOVEMBER. Not earlier this month, not 1 or 2 of em, but 4 topics that had their last posts in the range of the 16th to the 24th of NOVEMBER. The topics we're dead, and you we're using them to back your point that they we're dying because of falling to page 2.

 

Now there we're a few from page 2 from this month that you also bumped and others posted in in reply yelling at you about bumping, etc. Maybe 1 or 2 real replies, but yeah.

 

Rules say 10+ days, so really, I coulda put ya past the 100 mark, but I just did it to .

 

And if you notice, most the donators are mods or admins, or anonymous. Rootbear is the only one who donates outside of the staff. You all whine and complain about him, but he helps fund some of the stuff you have/use around here. (Note: 2pac's donation was in a never ending attempt to get rootbear banned. Sadly for him, bribes don't work).

[rootbear75]

should i say some of the people who actually donate money and help support this forum also have a say in what goes down?

 

okay fine. I put $ to the forum, the most of all of you, and i say no game forum

 

 

(going by your logic)

[Sketter]

1. I added the forum because the other admins we're saying Cham was bugging them all about it.

So? Stick to your guns?

 

2. World Discussion has ALWAYS been in General, always. Last time we added any non-Subspace forums they we're in another category or a subforum of another forum. Just as was the case here.

 

As much as i am interesting in the history lesson of W/D and the forums as a hole, it is actually e-relevant. Using your logic, it is still out of place, and knowing what as done to gaming, should apply to it as well. (Not that i expect anything will happy, but how you justified it with a history lesson didn't do the trick)

 

3A. I recently combined all of the Development section since it was really becoming a dead category, and I wanted to bring more light to the fact we do have zone forums here.

 

Yes i have noticed what you have done to dev section, however, they still exist in a parent form. Gaming was simply wiped. So other then cleaning/organizing the forums, i don't know what you really meant by it, other then leaving a big gap for what I am about to say next....

(btw, i think what you did with dev was a great idea, it does look much neater)

 

3B. Adding another category in there for 1 forum would look stupid, and the only place it looked right logged in as a user was at the bottom of the forum.

 

Well one could suggest that you combine it into the World Discussions and do what you did to dev and create a it under a parent. And perhaps a change in the title to let others know what is i there. No matter how you say it, it looked like you were trying to hide it by placing at the bottom. (I like to see the good in people) Perhaps you really did mean well with where you placed it, but it was truly an epic failure move.

 

4. I didn't want to have tons of "Moved:" threads in general, nor confuse the poster by moving their post (as I stated in Private Discussion), so I said leave them where they are. And before it comes up, my Steam post was partially geared towards continuum, and eventually the entire topic was about it.

 

I see your point. And it's valid, but again, if i don't know where to post it (probably because i didn't bother looking at the very bottom of the abyss(hehe Hakaku)) then it will be shot into general.

 

5. I had said I didn't want the forum, so why would I give support to it? Last time, I was fine in re-adding it, and wanted to help it get going if it was going to. But it failed for the 3rd time then, and I didn't really feel like putting in effort on the 4th time. So cham had to do the work of getting it going if he wanted it to. I saw nothing being done here in linking or anything, and I saw the normal amount of daily visitors, and him visiting multiple times a day. I assumed he wasn't going to put any personal effort into it, beyond asking for it and expecting us to do the work on something we didn't see the need for. I then decided after Swift saying to remove it many times, to just remove it. No doubt he would of just done it without saying anything to me had the discussion in admin gone on further.

 

Well I for one didn't know this came back a 4th time. Perhaps it should have died a while back and stay dead, but you brought it back. It seems Swift stuck to his guns. And you still can't ignore the fact of where you placed it didn't contribute to the problem. You can't in a fair way said you give it the opportunity.

 

Maybe that should clarify some things since everyone wants to make their own reasoning up for me.

Life is full of perceptions especially when actions are done before reasoning is explained. In fact, you might have left more questions then answers.

 

I'm not really sure if people are looking for you to bring the forums back, (maybe some are) but i think some are looking for you to take responsibility on how badly this ended.

 

Sketter

Oh... Happy Hanukkah!!

Edited December 28, 2008 by Sketter