the truth continued...

[SeVeR]

A new ER who has just been trained, hosted an hour of 2v2 and did great on his first day. Can't tell you much else or i'd have to kill you.

 

Which map is this? other people must have downloaded it also..

[Ladd]

A new ER who has just been trained, hosted an hour of 2v2 and did great on his first day

wow what a guy,they need to hire more guys like him

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If you want events hosted nonstop with experienced, well trained unbiased hosts, then pay up. All staff basically do charity work, which isn`t paid - at all.

 

Now, back to my christmas vacation.. wohoo!

 

-Rifle

Oh that's just -*BAD WORD*-, Rifle. In my 2 years as staff, I have hosted over 1000 events. Did I ever get a single cent for it? NO! So don't say things like that.

[Cencil]

Mind my spelling on this post.

 

I refuse to host 1 event, an thats WWL.

The event is just that re-*BAD WORD*-ed. Maurder spams the ?host with WWL WWL WWL

 

I host Events, when I feel like it though. This is charity work as who ever said in a previous post. I do host.....I just dont respond to every ?host...I leave that to the ERs.

 

but onto the subject....Zeke...Shut the -*BAD WORD*- up. Vile is taking all the crap that you bailed out on. I don't agree with vile on any of his decisions so far, but you are by far the biggest idiot ever....Why would you want to make 17th like EG? or something like that.

 

I miss the old weasel, sure you all think it took no skill what so ever...your wrong. A piece of lanc shrap sometimes killed the weasel....sometimes 1 jav bullet...the lack of turning ability and speed made the ship hard to manuver. Sure...newbies thought the ship was cool cause of the guns, but if you actully look at it....when the newbies were using the guns they were open to fire from enemy ships. So a simple lanc or warbird shot could take the ship out.

 

The zone is slowly being destroyed by the staff and something needs to be changed.

 

I dont know if my post has any...ANY meaning to anyone...just a random thought from me.

[Naedhaha]

ROFL! Every time that I enter 17th, I press Escape + A. This gives me a list of all the arena's that contains players. 9/10 times, it doesn't show an event, and we have to use the ?host command to get the ER>'s to work. Lots of events hosted? Rofl!

That is the point of the ?host command so we know what you want to be hosted. And if you dont then i host random things and people moan and say oh why cant you host something else anything else but this. And if you do a ?host command then it will be hosted.

[Naedhaha]

Too bad that MotherShip 2 aka MotherShip Advance isn't hosted anymore, because Elite One really did a -*BAD WORD*- fine job on that event.

 

MS2 was hosted 3 times last week...

[Cid Firefist]

lol rifle = zeke? Maybe I should play more often...

[Cencil]

when you host mothership...its not just a hosting...It has to be ALOT of people...not just like 10 people.

[reload]

lol rifle = zeke?  Maybe I should play more often...

^ is -*BAD WORD*-

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but onto the subject....Zeke...Shut the -*BAD WORD*- up. Vile is taking all the crap that you bailed out on. I don't agree with vile on any of his decisions so far, but you are by far the biggest idiot ever....

Amen.

[Cid Firefist]

LOL I didn't know. My bad.

[Hece]

but onto the subject....Zeke...Shut the -*BAD WORD*- up. Vile is taking all the crap that you bailed out on. I don't agree with vile on any of his decisions so far, but you are by far the biggest idiot ever....Why would you want to make 17th like EG? or something like that. 

 

I miss the old weasel, sure you all think it took no skill what so ever...your wrong. A piece of lanc shrap sometimes killed the weasel....sometimes 1 jav bullet...the lack of turning ability and speed made the ship hard to manuver. Sure...newbies thought the ship was cool cause of the guns, but if you actully look at it....when the newbies were using the guns they were open to fire from enemy ships. So a simple lanc or warbird shot could take the ship out.

 

The zone is slowly being destroyed by the staff and something needs to be changed.

 

I dont know if my post has any...ANY meaning to anyone...just a random thought from me.

Totally agreed. Bring back the old settings!

 

-Hece

[Cencil]

Who cares what the 17th newbies think.....They should learn to play the zone the way it was made I remember those days when 17th was a pub battle...sure..thats when Vile started playing, and thats probably why he thinks publeague was the -*BAD WORD*-.

 

Old settings are balanced in my opinion.

 

Warbird was the turret ship, it was used if your team wanted to be more powerful, but less able to be defended due to lack of ships to take the damage.

 

Jav was the power ship that needed protection from cloakers, but could take out a ship if used correctly.

 

Spider lacked defense and power aside from the bursts which were used stratigicaly by the people who actully knew how to use the spider correctly

 

Levi was the Tank of the bunch, energy, slow moving, if the turret driver was good a levi could own just about anything when turreted. the levi positioned itself in a base and help hold off the enemy.

 

Terrier...the Terrier was the well balanced ship in the zone. If I remember correctly. 3 Repels, a red stream of bullets, and maneuverability. It had Xradar but slow bombs, also had mines. The all around ship of the zone in my opinion.

 

Weasel was the silent !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*in which struck with tremendous power. Lack of turning, but speed made it hard to control, but when used correctly could take 3-4 players of a team...but also some of your own. the weasel was weak or ships with X radar which balanced out the power in the zone.

 

Lancaster-Mostly used in bases for taking out cloakers and ships which were low on energy. 7 bounces and lots of shrap.

 

shark- the Defender of the 8 ships....had a wall and a large stream of bullets..all I can say.

 

 

Now the sets we have now.

 

Warbird - Overpowered. the bombs are to fast, so are the bullets...cant forget the speed and the maneuverability of the ship....overpowered.

 

Jav- The same in my opinion.

 

spider - way Different, Can take out a Warbird, Jav, Levi, and lanc when used correctly.

 

Levi - Still the bomber ship

 

Terrier - Can fire like 23 bombs in a row without losing all its energy...just stupid. level 3 Bullets...Its tried to be a base ship but just sucks.

 

Weasel - Sucks...just sucks.

 

Lancaster - Only good inside bases when it has bouncing shrap....but there arnt enough base battles in my opinion.

 

shark - I like it...still has a purpose.

 

 

Just my opinion.

[DaKillaRoach]

The shark hasnt changed at all, thats why its still good

 

Levi has in a way became stronger but still dies horribly because of the m!@#$%^&* of fighter designed ships around

 

Switch the dam weasel for the 2v2 weasel until we get a better weasel. At least the 2v2 weasel is a anti-fighter who actually has a weakness against bombers. See, balanced Now lets get the other settings balanced! *cough* old sets *cough*

 

- - -

 

I gotta agree with people like Cencil and Hece on this one. The newbies should adapt to the zone, not the otherway round. Let them suffer, they will come, go and flood the zone still. Upper staff, listen to your veterans! They have some of the best knolwedge around, thats why they are the Veterans, old timers and pro's of the zone.

[Faither]

lÖl

Cencil give up... maka had the same idea of remaking 17th to what it was.

It can obviously not be done. Dunno why but can't.

Though Vile agreed with me that the shipsets are as they are now unbalanced and asked Arcane and me what could be done to change em (Took us quite some time to make him say that) (:. So simply let's wait and see what happens.

In case you shouldn't believe me: I GOT LOGS! (:

 

 

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About the mothership thingies that can no longer be hosted as rifleman posted some while ago... Well some1 scared away most of the old playerbase so in 17th remain nearly only newbs that seem not to know how to use the ?go command or what the green spam messages are about...

Simply go ask in the zone: Do you know what mothership is about?

Well yeah there still are some of the vets returning to play a bit pub shooting up the newbs but that's it.

 

 

Could be that the prob all the vets see in 17th as it is atm will be solved simply by one fact:

 

Old players keep going and the newbs don't care or know what the others are talking about and take it as their destiny...

Good luck y'all with that policy maybe it works, maybe some still remain complaining about the current situation. We'll see about that in a while.

 

GG

[Stylez]

Yello peeps,

 

Just to let you all know, I quit SS for the most part, trying to quit it cold turkey.

 

I might come on from time to time just to see whos online, but thats about all your gonna get from me. This game shows no love, so I'll give it no love in return.

 

But anyways, just to bring my opinion into the story here. I skimmed over most this garbage here and it sounds just like the same arguement that has been going on in 17th since the original settings of about 2 years ago was changed.

 

It's not the fact 17th sucks, but that the pub and staff are all messed up...

 

Not all of 17th staff suck, just the head staff members don't understand the gameplay and integraty of the game like the vets do, they may play some but not enough. To be a good staff member you should first have skills, which most staffers do "why they have the position in the first place" and a good knowledge of what people want and like, which a lot of staffers lack... Not just anyone can obtain this trade, you have to work at it. Millions of zones could be made, but only a hand full will make it, due to the owners having good people skills and a understanding of what those people want at that exact time.

 

I believe staff are doing a decent job for a service they dont even get paid for. Even if it's to obtain power just to be a "vet" in their own lil way.

 

Most noobs who couldn't hack it as a javer and wanted to be one of the "cool guys" resorted to feeling out a ER application. Everyone in every zone wants to be the best, becuase being the best gets you respect from others on that game. I mean one day you can be the biggest noob loser like... lets say oreo... and then one day lag a lil different and become the most wanted person on SS.

 

Ok i'm trailing away from the point, the point is that, changing the map or the staff may or may not help, its just the respect between the players. Becuase you have your noobs and your veterans. Most staffers are the same noobs the verterans picked on for so long until they became a staffer. And when a vet becomes a staffer he's way to -*BAD WORD*-y with it, like foof or maka who abuse their powers and dont care what really happens to them about it, becuase they dont look at being on staff to get repsect, becuase they know they'll still have respect from other players with or without the powers becuase of their skills. Unlike the noob staffers who need that position in staff to have that power.

 

If you people want a good/great zone, then stop arguing so much. Me being away from this game lets me see this. We all argue way to much for such a little online game. IF we just shut the -*BAD WORD*- up for two seconds and stop acting like we are some god then maybe we would have a better understanding of what we want. Becuase anyone can yell all day at someone what they want to happen, but doesn't mean it's going to get done.

 

Once everyone learns to show everyone some respect and stop all the childish name calling, then just maybe 17th will be a better place, becuase 17th parallel is one of the most troubled zones in SS, its like SS's arkcan asylum... It's insane man

 

P.S. The maps fine so are the settings, I mean people play them dont they? regardless of the server change, people will play something only becuase they like it, not just becuase they lag a lil better.

 

If staff would just play more instead of sitting in spec all day, they'd get a better understanding of the players point of views.

 

Well I'm done, bye ladies and gents...

Joker0430 signing out...

[Cencil]

So Basically what you just said it...If your staff you dont know WTF is going on cause you dont play?

 

No....

[Stylez]

No what I said is my opinion, how you interreprt it is up to you, I'm not even gonna say no more on this subject... use your own god givin common sense to firgure out what I mean...

[Cencil]

God isnt real, so it gave me nothing...so I lack common Sense?

[Bran]

heh.. yesterday i was playin rumble.... and for some reason all bullets were doing 30 dmg to me.... i was called a cheater a laggot all the works... but ReaLLy viLe does another dumb -*BAD WORD*- stupid -*BAD WORD*- thing... by switchin the -*BAD WORD*-age back to random... so it just -*BAD WORD*-ed up game play.. like come on how is ne1 suppose to pick up on the sets if u keep changing them constantly for pointless reason. The slighest changes to sets -*BAD WORD*- up game play for the players. staff dont realize that cuz not one of them have half decent skill in "playing the game." but yes.. im getting tired of all the bs that has recently been goin on in this zone Pornilla Take cOntroll of yO Men.

 

Another thing rumor has it that vile wants to make 17th events all Multiship.... well... if that is done. many of us who have spent many hours perfecting jav on jav play have just wasted and -*BAD WORD*-load of r time.

 

and .... i think thats all i have to say

[Vile Requiem]

Yes, I want the zone to focus on multiship events, that's my ethos.

A zone has 8 ships, all should be designed in one way or another to be useful in events (alternativly, the event should be designed for the 8 ships, either works).

 

Perhaps not Rumble or SBL (certainly not javwarleague), but something.

 

Allowing people who specialize in any of a zone's ships to participate makes everyone eligible to play in events, and leagues.

 

Thus, more people become vets and the zone prospers.

 

Look beyond the nose of your brown ship for a minute and think a bit. Two examples: DSBL, which has 600+ people in it and features all of their ships, and AML, IML, and Pro, the Premier Leagues, which are SVS (need I say more?)

 

And about random damage...if you won't take the hint that nobody's ever modified the jav in this zone (doing so would be suicide), then I had to show you some other way. Everything's back to normal now, and it's all good.

 

People who think i'm nuts for having this ethos are missing the bigger picture. Sure, the zone was built on the jav and rrl, but the current status of the zone is everybody's fault. The Vets have to take responsibility for going off on wild goose chases like this thread, accusing the staff of not playing (I get at least 2 category wins in pub every soccer match I play in thank you very much, and Veg is the consummate veteran) and me of somehow taking satisfaction in making "subtile little tweaks to the jav" and "singlehandidly ruining the zone", yet somehow being "power hungry" (newsflash: If I ruin the zone, there goes this power I 'care so much about.' Same goes for the other staffers you claim of being powerhungry. Tis the great irony, when you think you have power in this game, you wind up losing it, See Case Study #4015, Shadowripper.). You may not like my viewpoint, but as Joker said, we are all in this together, arguing solves nothing, paticularly such pointless crap as this and a few other threads.

 

This zone lost it's way in not realizing that other people play besides the "vets". And some of those people happen to be vets as skillful as you themselves (Happy Spider and Venemous Blaze off the top of my head). Holding yourself to an idea that you are, pardon the term, 1337, are delusional. Sure, you can kick -*BAD WORD*- with these settings and the best dueling ship ever created, but is that skill enough to lord above everyone else like you're the only ones that matter? Sure, taking a newbie's opinion over a vet's is a pretty stupid idea, but there's plenty of people in this zone that can play every ship in this zone quite well. Should we ignore their opinions in favor of people who 99% of the time play jav? That would be equally as stupid as just listening to the newbies.

 

Truth be told, as Maka said earlier, this zone is a very small skillset in the larger realm of Subspace. No squad in here could scratch AML, with the possible exception of Epion. If you need any proof of that, go watch a 4v4 practice in Chaos. THAT is how MSBL should be, a very highly compe!@#$%^&*ive match that is a combination of Javwar and SBL, with a good bot and knowledgable hosts firstly, but also using more then one ship to add to the tactics and overall league skill.

 

Likewise, the staff is guilty of lacking a true focus ever since EO went down. That is why I hold him in the regard that I do, because he took the idea that the zone had, and made it so great we had 90+ every weekend, and a kick!@#$%^&* pub. Unfortunatly, that time is quite over. Many of the people that were there when it existed have either left the game or found some other zone. The settings have changed and the next generation has setteled into the zone.

 

Nurples, Zeke, and Enter all tried to duplicate the success EO had, but failed. Sometimes the worst thing that can happen IS SUCCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. The staff knew that the zone had been great and got very nervous when that success could not be achieved again, even with the oldsets/oldmap back in pub. This led to Zeke doing what he felt he had to do to stabilize the zone and begin his ethos, that 17th should turn into a speed zone (which as Cencil pointed out, is very much not 17th, and i'm sure everyone would have quit). However, bashing the man for saving the zone is just as fruitless, without him there would currently BE NO JAV OR LEAGUES at the present time. Things were so bad that at some times, Pern would be the only one in 17th besides the bots.

 

Floundering Sucks.

 

Then Nurples achieved a relative level of stability, but his job forces him to the sidelines, so Pern had to take the role. Say what you will about her, she's the only one who could have done it. Telson's not around as much as he would have to be, and I in a million years would never consider becoming the HSysop of this zone. I am very implusive, as i'm sure many of you know, and I would have wound up doing something pathetically stupid.

She is quite capable of providing good ideas and leadership, and she's growing into the role quite nicely, I would certainly follow her to -*BAD WORD*- and back (in this game at least).

 

Largest proof of this? The staff is no longer at a loss for what to do. We have a clear vision, and focus once again. I don't expect you to drop the skeptic routine immediatly, I wouldn't either with our track record. But if we work together to create something as magical as the good ol days were, then we can all find the zone that was lost so long ago, the true spirit of 17th Parallel. I have been, and will always try my hardest to make this happen, i've seen too many alleged downfalls and recoveries to let the place fall apart now, and i'm sure everyone's with me on that, otherwise you wouldn't even bother posting.

 

To a New Year and a New Beginning for 17th, that is what I toast to tomorrow. I hope you join me in doing so.

 

(oh, and just so nobody goes off on any more wild tangents, this does NOT mean the zone settings and map are suddenly going to change for the new year, nor will they for quite a while)

[Bran]

gd vile.... 17th was built around the Jav.. i say over 70 % of the players in 17th prefer the jav... but that -*BAD WORD*- isnt the point.. its -*BAD WORD*-en the sudden change of the settings try and tell people when ur doing this -*BAD WORD*- so i know when not to play cuz that just ruins my game play and others.. And another thing sure u play the game but that doesnt mean ur good at it ! u get ur name up on the soccer stats twice .... big -*BAD WORD*-en deal thats pub ne1 can get there name on that -*BAD WORD*- -*BAD WORD*- i play for 5 mins and i get most kills it isnt hard and it has nothin to do with jav play... u dont understand how gay it is to work so hard to get really good with a ship and then have it changed on u... like i said be4 the other vets and i have spent alot of time perfecting r skillz with the javs and it seems like kinda a waste when u do these small changes to tha jav... that is also y r skill in 17th is very low now cuz u tend to piss people off Vile. and u say we all have to stop argueing.. well F that -*BAD WORD*- i'll keep argueing if -*BAD WORD*- keeps geting changed for pointless reasons.

[Hece]

I don't find much that i can agree on in that post Vile, but ill just post my thoughts about some things that caught my eye.

 

"A zone has 8 ships, all should be designed in one way or another to be useful in events (alternativly, the event should be designed for the 8 ships, either works)."

 

Thats not part of the "the true spirit of 17th Parallel". 17th parallel settings werent made balanced, they werent even meant to be that, and its just pure stupidness if you want to play any leagues with unbalanced settings. 17th parallel pub was made to be lame, "in 17th parallel no1 is truly safe".

Jav was the only playable duel/event/league ship and that is what this zone was based on. Jav needed skill to master.

 

"Look beyond the nose of your brown ship for a minute and think a bit. Two examples: DSBL, which has 600+ people in it and features all of their ships, and AML, IML, and Pro, the Premier Leagues, which are SVS (need I say more?)"

 

DSB is the only zone i have played from those, but the difference between 17th parallel and dsb is that the dsb ship settings are balanced. Every dsb ship vs any other dsb ship battle is fair, there are no mentionable advantage in any ship against any other ship.

Zones like TW and 17th with unbalanceed pub ship settings are made to have leagues of same ships vs same ships.

 

"(I get at least 2 category wins in pub every soccer match I play in thank you very much, and Veg is the consummate veteran)"

 

1337 ahihi

 

"but as Joker said, we are all in this together, arguing solves nothing"

 

rofl..joker rly said that?

 

"Sure, taking a newbie's opinion over a vet's is a pretty stupid idea"

 

All this crap of newbies vs vets and pubbers vs league players is stupid. What "vets" are trying is to do is to keep this zone as it was. You have no right to ruin it even if you have superleet imaginary skills in pub. We have to respect the real creators of this zone.

 

"Truth be told, as Maka said earlier, this zone is a very small skillset in the larger realm of Subspace."

 

maybe in the realm of subspace you know. I have won 2 dsbl championchips and so has nycto and arcane i think. Epion and seraphim atleast are full of good dsb'ers and tw'ers. Besides we are not talking about other zones here so this discussion is pointless.

 

"Many of the people that were there when it existed have either left the game or found some other zone. The settings have changed and the next generation has setteled into the zone."

 

Correction. All the loyal 17th players left _after_ the settings were tweaked. And about this new generation: They are just a bunch of skill-less newbies who will not be loyal to this zone.

 

Omg that blabbering about nurples, zeke, you and perni is -*BAD WORD*- and i dont even care to read it with thought.

 

 

-Hece

[Hece]

gd vile.... 17th was built around the Jav.. i say over 70 % of the players in 17th prefer the jav... but that -*BAD WORD*- isnt the point.. its -*BAD WORD*-en the sudden change of the settings try and tell people when ur doing this -*BAD WORD*- so i know  when not to play cuz that just ruins my game play and others.. And another thing sure u play the game but that doesnt mean ur good at it ! u get ur name up on the soccer stats twice .... big -*BAD WORD*-en deal thats pub ne1 can get there name on that -*BAD WORD*- -*BAD WORD*- i play for 5 mins and i get most kills it isnt hard and it has nothin to do with jav play... u dont understand how gay it is to work so hard to get really good with a ship and then have it changed on u...  like i said be4 the other vets and i have spent alot of time perfecting r skillz with the javs and it seems like kinda a waste when u do these small changes to tha jav... that is also y r skill in 17th is very low now cuz u tend to piss people off Vile.  and u say we all have to stop argueing.. well F that -*BAD WORD*- i'll keep argueing if -*BAD WORD*- keeps geting changed for pointless reasons.

amen to that bran.

I just want to add something about the ship settings changes: Imo the only healthy way of changing ship settings is to let people play and test the ship and if they love the new ship then change it. Do new events with new ship settings and get them popular and make it into a league! Thats the only way of getting new ship changes popular. As you see changing settings without players' support will just make the players leave and others unhappy.

 

Oh and this was directed at vile, not bran.

 

-Hece

[Faither]

Btw by mentioning zeke's settings change...

 

I also remember that Zeke posted in the news file that the current settings would be in a test phase that would last like 2 or up to 3 weeks...

I know i sadi this already ingame but maybe osme of you weren't on at that time... When are these 2 to 3 weeks over so we can finally play 17th again?

 

And Vile:

You asked some players to stop arguing, yes. But you asked em to continue on the forum because more ppl could participate here so a solution will cristalize out of this.

 

So what is the curent standing? I can only see that the ppl who are using this medium of conversation agree to and are talking the same stuff over and over again so it's the same f'cking talk we had ingame where you had to zip or gag ppl who were simply arguing the same way. So I would say we win at least by numbers but the dictatorship yet remains the dictatorship and won't be changed to a democracy that easy.

 

Cheers Faither.