Gay Marriage

[Aceflyer]

Now only currently being performed in Massachusetts, and will be performed beginning in the near future in Connecticut.

 

Now banned in California, which was the second state to legalize gay marriage.

 

Opinions on this?

Edited February 24, 2009 by Aceflyer

[Hate The Fake]

I like it, California basically screwed itself, by adding to the votes this year alot of black citizens and hispanic citizens (because of barack) they are generally heavily against gay marriage.

 

Moral of the story, !@#$%^&* happens when more then 40 percent of the country votes

[»Ducky]

slow work in progress, it'll happen in every state at some point, will just take time.

[Aceflyer]

slow work in progress, it'll happen in every state at some point, will just take time.

 

Clarify please. What is 'it'? Do you mean that gay marriage will be banned in every state at some point, or do you mean that gay marriage will be legalized in every state at some point?

[Sonixunite]

slow work in progress, it'll happen in every state at some point, will just take time.

Every state? Nah.

 

In our lifetime, I can only see half the states eventually accepting gay marriage. I'll be long dead before Alabama legalizes it.

[Aceflyer]

slow work in progress, it'll happen in every state at some point, will just take time.

Every state? Nah.

 

In our lifetime, I can only see half the states eventually accepting gay marriage. I'll be long dead before Alabama legalizes it.

 

If it's state-by-state, yeah. The only way some of these states will accept gay marriage in the foreseeable future is if they are ordered to do so by the federal government.

[Hate The Fake]

slow work in progress, it'll happen in every state at some point, will just take time.

Every state? Nah.

 

In our lifetime, I can only see half the states eventually accepting gay marriage. I'll be long dead before Alabama legalizes it.

 

If it's state-by-state, yeah. The only way some of these states will accept gay marriage in the foreseeable future is if they are ordered to do so by the federal government.

 

especially in the bible belt, gotta love it

[Bak]

i like how they back a separate but equal status for gay couples... that's worked well in the past

[Cancer+]

slow work in progress, it'll happen in every state at some point, will just take time.

 

Every state will legalize it is what he means.

 

It will be a slow work in progress, just like racism.

[Aceflyer]

i like how they back a separate but equal status for gay couples... that's worked well in the past

 

Indeed it has. As everyone knows, 'separate but equal' is a perfectly reasonable and morally acceptable way of segregating 'undesirables' from 'better' people.

[»Ducky]

yes, sorry for not being specific. It will be legalized in every state at some point. It will come down to doing state by state legalization until there's enough presence until it's nationally mandated. Just like everything else in history. While it's true that Christianity (the main drive behind anti-gay thesis) is on the incline; the margin of what people choose to believe and follow is growing also. More and more Christians everyday choose to overlook homosexuality. Does that mean I'll see it in my lifetime? Eh, probably not. Would be nice, but I don't have much faith in America's society when it comes to tolerance. Edited November 9, 2008 by Ducky

[Aceflyer]

yes, sorry for not being specific. It will be legalized in every state at some point. It will come down to doing state by state legalization until there's enough presence until it's nationally mandated. Just like everything else in history. While it's true that Christianity (the main drive behind anti-gay thesis) is on the incline; the margin of what people choose to believe and follow is growing also. More and more Christians everyday choose to overlook homosexuality. Does that mean I'll see it in my lifetime? Eh, probably not. Would be nice, but I don't have much faith in America's society when it comes to tolerance.

 

If it's going to come down to doing state-by-state legislature, we have a ways to go.

 

More likely it'll come down to a landmark US Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriage throughout the nation.

[FMBI]

More likely it'll come down to a landmark US Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriage throughout the nation.

 

Who are you kidding? If the Supreme Court goes anywhere near gay marriage, it'll cause a backlash so big that individual states, and a newly elected far-right president, will ban it and ignore or reverse the ruling.

 

Gay marriage is never going to get anywhere in this country. Acceptance of "homosexual cohabitation" might get pretty widespread after a few decades, but actual legalization? Never.

Edited November 9, 2008 by Finland My BorgInvasion

[Bak]

Never.

 

It'll happen within one generation.

 

Source: University of Michigan, Center for Political Studies (2004)

[Lera]

I'd rather allow gay marriages then let Obama be president -.-

[Aceflyer]

I'd rather allow gay marriages then let Obama be president -.-

 

Well, the latter at least, fortunately, is inevitable. The door's wide open now. It's going to happen, whether you like it or not. This is the future, and it's now.

[Lera]

well I could care less really...Like I heard from one stand up comedian, I need to worry about myself and an arranged marriage.. Just saying

[Sketter]

Prop 8 passed, wow. I thought it wouldn't. Another step backwards for them i guess.

 

People try to tie this issues into the religious beliefs, but as time goes on and on, and as government and religion separate more and more, the issue does not becomes a religious matter, but a cons!@#$%^&*utional right.

 

(Everyone needs to understand that the church and government are DIFFERENT en!@#$%^&*ies, one's law and judgment can not apply to the other)

 

If the cons!@#$%^&*ution permits same sex marriage, then it should be allowed.

 

But what is right, and doing what is right seems to be an issue the States can't seem to grasp You guys have a lot of messed up people in high power, and will still be there even when 09 starts.

 

 

And the feds will dodge this for as long as they can.

It would not be wise for any left wing activist to bring this to federal courts. Not yet.

 

But lets look at it this way.

Change is imminent.

Who ever knew a black man would be president.

Who ever knew a woman would be considered equal as man and able to vote.

Who ever knew slavery was wrong, and a black man had rights.

 

Those were the things we considered to be imposable to archive.

You can suppress, but you can not remove the dream.

 

It will happen, it just will take time, and effort.

 

I know in Canada Harper can't remove it. Even if he tried to revoke it, it would have to p!@#$%^&* the senate, and there are too many left wings sitting on the senate for that ever to be removed any time soon.

[rootbear75]

i say if they want to get married, let them

 

i won't go to a gay wedding

i don't like to be friends with gay people (with some exceptions - friends with them long before i knew they were gay, etc.)

 

but i say what you don't know doesn't hurt you

i know they can get married, but it's not like i see them getting married, so why should i care.

Edited November 10, 2008 by rootbear75

[Drake7707]

i won't go to a gay wedding

i don't like to be friends with gay people (with some exceptions - friends with them long before i knew they were gay, etc.)

 

 

I think you have a pretty biased view on gay people, they are normal people, just as everyone else (It's not like they all act as traves!@#$%^&*es or overly express themselves being gay, that's a very small minority)

[darkhosis]

I can understand w/ people not wanting gay "marriages"... it's born from a religious thing... but there should be civil unions, yeah.

[Lera]

Everyone needs to understand that the church and government are DIFFERENT en!@#$%^&*ies

 

They are both bull!@#$%^&* imo

Edited November 10, 2008 by Lera

[Hate The Fake]

Prop 8 passed, wow. I thought it wouldn't. Another step backwards for them i guess.

 

People try to tie this issues into the religious beliefs, but as time goes on and on, and as government and religion separate more and more, the issue does not becomes a religious matter, but a cons!@#$%^&*utional right.

 

(Everyone needs to understand that the church and government are DIFFERENT en!@#$%^&*ies, one's law and judgment can not apply to the other)

 

If the cons!@#$%^&*ution permits same sex marriage, then it should be allowed.

 

But what is right, and doing what is right seems to be an issue the States can't seem to grasp You guys have a lot of messed up people in high power, and will still be there even when 09 starts.

 

 

And the feds will dodge this for as long as they can.

It would not be wise for any left wing activist to bring this to federal courts. Not yet.

 

But lets look at it this way.

Change is imminent.

Who ever knew a black man would be president.

Who ever knew a woman would be considered equal as man and able to vote.

Who ever knew slavery was wrong, and a black man had rights.

 

Those were the things we considered to be imposable to archive.

You can suppress, but you can not remove the dream.

 

It will happen, it just will take time, and effort.

 

I know in Canada Harper can't remove it. Even if he tried to revoke it, it would have to p!@#$%^&* the senate, and there are too many left wings sitting on the senate for that ever to be removed any time soon.

 

 

your whole arguments flawed thou, america was founded on religious beliefs, ever hear of In god we trust? Furthermore Marriage in itself is a religious word. Thats the biggest problem i see. The Government should never force religions to adhere to same sex unions and call them marriages...

[Bak]

in god we trust started in the 1950s out of fear of communism, unless you're saying america was founded in the 1950s?

 

Anyways, here's what separate but equal does: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/9/9356/17632. Nothing more christian than taking adopted children out of homes and putting them into foster homes.

[Aceflyer]

I can understand w/ people not wanting gay "marriages"... it's born from a religious thing... but there should be civil unions, yeah.

 

Since people who are not religious (i.e., atheist), or people who hold religions other than, say, Christianity, can get married; and since marriage licenses are granted by the government and not by a church or religious organization, the argument that marriage is a "religious thing" is, really, moot.

 

I don't imagine anyone is going to force a specific pastor or church to hold a marriage ceremony for two people they don't want to hold it for. It is similar to how doctors can't be forced to prescribe certain medications (notably the morning-after pill) if doing so would conflict with their personal/religious beliefs.

 

You guys have a lot of messed up people in high power, and will still be there even when 09 starts.

 

In the case of Prop. 8, it wasn't even a matter of "messed up people in high power" that caused it to pass it was a matter of religious organizations getting into the fray.

Edited November 10, 2008 by Aceflyer