THIS JUST IN: SADDAM HUSSEIN CAPTURED!

[MillenniumMan]

While some of you PANZIES were ASLEEP, our MEN and WOMEN of the U.S. Military and coalition forces managed to find Saddam in a farmhouse (no doubt -*BAD WORD*-ing and torturing some poor goats for pleasure)

 

For those of you who wish to see your hero now or to see what kind of roadkill trophy we just bagged:

[Cencil]

I remember you Mill.......slightly

[G.T.O The Judge]

Saddam Hussein is now a SADMAN INSANE!

 

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

[Ancient Power]

yawn. big whoop.

[MillenniumMan]

yawn. big whoop.

And you're from where again AP?

[Tipme]

what if its a body double...

gto judge...ur avatars make me horny

[Wax]

Are they sure its him?....

[Jimster]

yes... the whole idea of the medical thing it to see if it is him, DNA ring any bells?

 

they should never have gone 2 war in the 1st place. oh well the NASDAQ will look better next week. people have made alot of money out of this war, but was it realy right to put a profit on peoples lives??

[Jimster]

lol, dude i just killed the topic

[Aileron]

plz, the debates over whether to war should have been started in the first place are over. Well, I'll put it this way.

 

We have agreed that we aren't going to change each other's opinions and arguing about it is a waist of time.

 

I guess the thing we CAN agree on is that we should have done this in 1992. Every other debate is not worth it.

[MillenniumMan]

plz, the debates over whether to war should have been started in the first place are over.  Well, I'll put it this way.

 

We have agreed that we aren't going to change each other's opinions and arguing about it is a waist of time.

 

I guess the thing we CAN agree on is that we should have done this in 1992.  Every other debate is not worth it.

91 dude..... 91

[madhaha]

So let me get this straight... It takes the combined military might of America and the British how many months to find one man hidden in a cellar CUNNINGLY camoflaged by a carpet and 4 bricks?

 

We levelled whole areas of cities, killed a literally uncounted number of people and basically annexed another country to find a man who didn't even have a telephone line or radio to organise any form of resistance. We're lead to believe this man is a major threat to the civilised world. Where is his "band of fanatically loyal bodyguards"? -*BAD WORD*- he didn't even have a camera to record propaganda footage.

 

While some of you PANZIES were ASLEEP' date=' our MEN and WOMEN of the U.S. Military and coalition forces managed to find Saddam[/quote']

 

Whoopidity -*BAD WORD*-ing do! A single squad of well trained soldiers managed to capture a confused and disillusioned old man sitting in a hole who didn't put up any sort of resistance at all. What a great day for America and Her Allies ™ this is! Its sure to put a stop to the terrorists (except they're still carrying out organised suicide bombings) and we've saved the world from weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction (unfound)! We aren't doing this just for the money we're getting from the nation rebuilding contracts at all! In fact, since we're the ones that blew the place up, none of the other countries should be profitting from the rebuilding!

 

Please do continue trumpetting our "heros" MillenniumMan.

[Cid Firefist]

Mad, u r right. We shoulda just nuked em and been done with it.

[MillenniumMan]

So let me get this straight... It takes the combined military might of America and the British how many months to find one man hidden in a cellar CUNNINGLY camoflaged by a carpet and 4 bricks?

 

We levelled whole areas of cities, killed a literally uncounted number of people and basically annexed another country to find a man who didn't even have a telephone line or radio to organise any form of resistance. We're lead to believe this man is a major threat to the civilised world. Where is his "band of fanatically loyal bodyguards"? -*BAD WORD*- he didn't even have a camera to record propaganda footage.

 

While some of you PANZIES were ASLEEP' date=' our MEN and WOMEN of the U.S. Military and coalition forces managed to find Saddam[/quote']

 

Whoopidity -*BAD WORD*-ing do! A single squad of well trained soldiers managed to capture a confused and disillusioned old man sitting in a hole who didn't put up any sort of resistance at all. What a great day for America and Her Allies ™ this is! Its sure to put a stop to the terrorists (except they're still carrying out organised suicide bombings) and we've saved the world from weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction (unfound)! We aren't doing this just for the money we're getting from the nation rebuilding contracts at all! In fact, since we're the ones that blew the place up, none of the other countries should be profitting from the rebuilding!

 

Please do continue trumpetting our "heros" MillenniumMan.

First of all he was constantly on the move. If you stay put then yes you will be caught alot quicker. And where are you getting this 4 bricks and a carpet -*BAD WORD*-? It was underground, and the topside looked like any number of the local houses (except with a few more ppl hanging around) Admittedly, he thought he could play a typical bugs bunny on our troops by hanging a crucifix and a nativity scene outside the place to make it look like a christian family lived there, but the joke was on him. That hole could not have been dug in 72 hours by him and five guys and furnished, that was a prepositioned cache, like several others around the country. I'll give saddam this much, he planned ahead, but it wasn't too far ahead.

 

Second, we were more precise this time, the entire blocks of city that you are refering to were mostly carbombs and suicide bombers. Yeah we just love using those... I remember half an apartment complex and a dunkin donuts being nailed by us. No more than fifty civilians had been killed by the entire coalition force, the rest again were suicide bombings and sniper attacks from the other side. So far we haven't annexed anything, nor will we. The iraqi governing council is taking over the entire job within the next 6 months while we clean up the mess.

 

Saddam had an audio c!@#$%^&*ete recorder and a courier to send out messages and find leads on where to go next to hide. His band of loyal bodyguards are playing hide and seek and snipe with our boys right now, setting up roadside bombs and biding their time, a few are still sitting right at his side in jail right now waiting exec......extradition.

 

Right, and Adolph Eichman was just following orders. You horses -*BAD WORD*-.....

You don't have to be confused or old or dilusioned to not put up a fight. Sometimes it's best to stay still until the right time, wait to be a martyr or find a means of escape rather than going out in a blaze of glory where you're full of holes and totaly -*BAD WORD*-ed.

 

And if you're still wondering he can still courier through his lawyer and throughout his live broadcasted trial when it happens. In case you're forgetting, when things seemed hopeless, the japanese to what would have been to the last man until hiroshima and nagasaki changed hirohito's mind and he ordered the japanese people to stop fighting. Even then there were some holdouts who didn't want to give up, and they either got waxed for their trouble or got the -*BAD WORD*- beat out of them and were held on charges like anyone taking shots at a soldier in peacetime. Yeah, great job annexing japan BTW after we won. They own alot of U.S. land now and globaly without guns.

 

If Gravitron and anyone else who lived in israel or kuwait back during gulf war I would like to chime in on what saddam had done please by all means do so. You're probably busy celebrating though to care about this board.

 

And yes, we haven't found any WMDs yet, it doesn't mean they don't exist. I recall a tale of the housekeeper and the dead cricket. The owner of the house wondered how good a job the housekeeper had been doing cleaning up, so the owner put a dead cricket behind a trashcan, and for almost three months the cricket remained there, undisturbed and collecting dust. Eventualy the owner confronted the housekeeper and fired the lazy -*BAD WORD*-. The next day the cricket was gone because the owner hired someone who was willing to do the job the right way.

 

And last I checked, we weren't the ones owed $40 billion in debt from iraq, that would be russia france and china, and most of that is from weapon sales. As for nationbuilding, the aussies, brittain canada, estonia, NZ japan and south korea are getting the bulk of the contracts, alot of our civvies are pulling out because it's getting too -*BAD WORD*-ed dangerous to work there right now.

 

And last I checked, the ones doing the most "blowing up of iraq" are the regime holdouts who are constantly mining the roadsides, firing missiles and loading cars full of explosives killing not only coalition troops, but hundreds of thousands of iraqis. This morning for instance, 12 iraqi civilian police killed by another suicide taxi, days before that, a bus, before that the red cross/crecent joint op center. Tell me, other than being the targets of these attacks, how are we involved in blowing their -*BAD WORD*- up???

 

God you are such a -*BAD WORD*-ing moron.................

 

BTW, I dare you to walk up to the family member of any dead soldier, spit in their face and say that thie son daughter or relative was a babykiller. I have fifty bucks riding on this saying that you would be nailed in a second by everyone within yelling distance. So go out there and mock them. I'll be waiting...

[»nintendo64]

Indeed, America [it's not America (More Monroe Doctrine Propaganda), it's USA] knows how to make propaganda, they try to make you forget about they didn't find WMDs, they disbeyed the UN, and never wanted to continue the Diplomacy way because the evidence they brought to the case was discarded as useless.

 

Yet, before the war there was a considerable sentiment of not going to War in the USA, but they send the troops and started a propaganda of "What done is done Support the troops", and brainwashed most americans(USA Citizens) citizens brains. USA has been using the same tecniques the Nazis employed in their own country to gain support from their people even thought the reasons to do it were wrong. USA is using the same tecniques they learnt after the Cold War from the Soviet Union to cloud people's critical at!@#$%^&*ude, they are stopping americans (USA Citizens) to stop and analyze! the situation.

 

What you wrote MilleniumMan is just what the propaganda sends you, and i see you bought it. USA Media is only one sided, and is in support of the USA, theye never show you the real story or you wouldn't be supporting them. I hate when Countries such as the USA create False sentiments of Patriotism in their own citizens.

 

P.S: Using insults such as -*BAD WORD*-wit doesn't make your point get across, it just makes YOU look like an ignorant.

 

-nintendo64

[MillenniumMan]

Indeed, America [it's not America (More Monroe Doctrine Propaganda), it's USA] knows how to make propaganda, they try to make you forget about they didn't find WMDs, they disbeyed the UN, and never wanted to continue the Diplomacy way because the evidence they brought to the case was discarded as useless.

 

Yet, before the war there was a considerable sentiment of not going to War in the USA, but they send the troops and started a propaganda of "What done is done Support the troops", and brainwashed most americans(USA Citizens) citizens brains. USA has been using the same tecniques the Nazis employed in their own country to gain support from their people even thought the reasons to do it were wrong. USA is using the same tecniques they learnt after the Cold War from the Soviet Union to cloud people's critical at!@#$%^&*ude, they are stopping americans (USA Citizens) to stop and analyze! the situation.

 

What you wrote MilleniumMan is just what the propaganda sends you, and i see you bought it. USA Media is only one sided, and is in support of the USA, theye never show you the real story or you wouldn't be supporting them. I hate when Countries such as the USA create False sentiments of Patriotism in their own citizens.

 

P.S: Using insults such as -*BAD WORD*-wit doesn't make your point get across, it just makes YOU look like an ignorant.

 

-nintendo64

Riiiiiiiight, the British Broadcasting Corporation is a machine of the great American propaganda machine. As for what we call ourselves, it's a matter of preference. I for one call myself a human being first. And as such, what we (meaning everyone involved in the fighting, not just the USofA, but the brits, italians, south koreans, estonians, aussies... and some dozen other countries) did was the right thing. If we didn't go in there, even after saddam had been killed/captured/died of natural causes, someone else by his side would have taken over, perhaps one of his -*BAD WORD*- sons. Have you ever seen a person thrown into a paper shredder while he was still alive? Neither have I and I hope I never have to. However there are survivors of this monsters reign that can attest to this and many other horrors that noone should ever have to face. These people aren't participants of the coalition force, but regular iraqi ahmed-six-packs who know first hand what these monsters were capable of. Thanks to UN (not US translators) they are bringing their stories to light for the first time ever.

 

And as I stated before, the operative word is "YET". There are ways of hiding things you don't want found. It's just a matter of time before some iraqi kid digs into their back yard looking for make believe buried treasure and winds up puncturing an aluminum canister with his shovel, then he and some of his neighbors will look like the kurds did back in the late 80's and early 90's.

 

Also, when it comes to wartime spin, every country employs those techniques, it's nothing new. -*BAD WORD*-, the nazis learned those from other historical sources such as caesar. When it comes to propaganda though, noone beats good ol bahgdad bob.

I will grant you this much n64, there has been some -*BAD WORD*- spewed by the bush people when it comes to our troops, such as how they were really killed or captured or come up as MIA. Noone just flips a humvee over in a culvert that they can clearly see unless they're -*BAD WORD*-faced drunk. And the pictures of our DOAs showing up in coffins or sometimes less, they would be to demoralizing for the people. We learned that during nam, "don't ever show our dead to the people or we'll lose support for the war effort PDQ"

 

P.S. I'm not the only who calls names, but the fact that mad would flip off people who would give their lives for another pisses me off to no end.

 

Some who did serve and those who still serve have a different view of reality N64. And NO, MERC GW does not count!

[Onlyone]

You know Gandhi believed in non-violent passive resistance under one condition. That you were resisting a moral person/persons. Not a person/persons that will kill you in an instant without blinking an eye if you defied them.

 

For those of you who seems opposed to our war with Iraq would you rather:

 

The US not to have invaded and the regime to continue?

 

Our President screw up and possibly be wrong a few times?

 

The US to have invaded and possibly bring peace and stability to Iraq just like Germany, Japan, and South Korea?

 

The US just invaded for no reasons at all?

 

Being in and surrounded by military i gurantee you the SF(Special Forces) man power that was taken from Afghan. in order too facilitate the incursion into Iraq will be sent back to Afghan. to find Bin Laden. It is only a matter of time.

 

Some may believe this war was for profit but in order to rebuild Iraq u must get civilian contracts in order to facilitate and push growth into the country. Same principles applied to Germany, S. Korea, and Japan.

 

 

I guess my real question is do you oppose the US for being the US or for invaded Iraq?

[Bacchus]

They find Saddam, great. WMD, the war justification, are still nowhere to be found. True, Saddam is a bloodthirsty murderer but from my point of view anyone justifying the killing of 6 playing children by "collateral dmg", "intel misinterpretation, "intel flaw", targeting system error, and so forth is not only a murderer...it's a complete and utter moron.

WMDs? I'll tell you where they are: US depleted uranium bombs in Iraq are a source of cancer, pneumonia, etc. US sanctions have killed hundreds of thousand of innocent people since 1991 to catch one man in a hole...and some of you feel like heroes? You're out of your -*BAD WORD*-ing mind.

 

US patriots and radical muslims are of the same stuff. they're both very dangerous, armed to the teeth and willing to die killing their ennemies. they're both defending twisted ideals and/or faiths and they're both refusing to negociate. They are both very annoying.

[MillenniumMan]

They find Saddam, great.  WMD, the war justification, are still nowhere to be found.  True, Saddam is a bloodthirsty murderer but from my point of view anyone justifying the killing of 6 playing children by "collateral dmg", "intel misinterpretation, "intel flaw", targeting system error, and so forth is not only a murderer...it's a complete and utter moron.

WMDs?  I'll tell you where they are: US depleted uranium bombs in Iraq are a source of cancer, pneumonia, etc.  US sanctions have killed hundreds of thousand of innocent people since 1991 to catch one man in a hole...and some of you feel like heroes?  You're out of your -*BAD WORD*-ing mind.

 

US patriots and radical muslims are of the same stuff.  they're both very dangerous, armed to the teeth and willing to die killing their ennemies.  they're both defending twisted ideals and/or faiths and they're both refusing to negociate.  They are both very annoying.

First off, glad you agree that saddam is an -*BAD WORD*- who should be hunted down.

 

On to the other things, you think the guy that pushed the button on whatever missile system or trigger on an apache keypad is happy about the job he had to do that unfortunatley got innocents killed? Think about how they feel also. They realize they boned it and someone isn't going to sleep peacefuly, perhaps for the rest of their lives knowing what they did one day trying to do the right thing wound up being something that shouldn't have been. Those soldiers that knew what they did are going to see those faces for the rest of their lives. SO HOW DARE YOU THINK FOR A SECOND THAT THERE'S NO REMORSE!?!? HOW DARE YOU THINK FOR A SECOND THAT IT'S BEING SWEPT UNDER THE RUG!?!? Those troops have already talked and have let the world know what they did and I can guarantee you that to them...... it's far more than just "colatteral damage". They were human beings to them. There are guys coming out of nam years later who still are seriously screwed up in the head because one day they went down a mud trail into a village they were told was a holdout for the VC only to have it later turn out to just be a regular village. Lobbing a grenade here, misplaced gunshot there and the last thing someone sees of a once live person is the look of pure terror in their eyes knowing that they are about to die and the life they could have led but didn't or the life they are leaving behind, or for the sheer fact that they realize that the man on the other end didn't mean to kill them but that they just screwed up. And when you see that look in someones eyes it's one of the worst possible things imaginable.

 

Even without that look, you can't tell me that some GI somewhere is going through his own personal nightmare, knowing that he -*BAD WORD*-ed up royaly.

 

On the DUS, yeah, we still use those, as well as russia, france and until a few years ago germany. BTW, all of the above had sold weapons to the saddams government during the past 12 years, all of which are now trying to cover that fact up by saying "get out america and let us handle things from here" then again it's a UN not a US effort, so just sit back and let them do their work. After all, those things can be hidden in the most innocuous places.

 

And the effort to get saddam once and for all had only begun this year. not 12 years ago. 12 years ago it was decided that we'd let that boy be to run his own babana republic in the desert. Unfortunatley that plan backfired and hundreds of thousands of innocents had been killed, and not by sanctions, but by saddams boys. They could get their food from any other nation on the planet, we are not the worlds' bread basket you know. They had been getthing food from spain, germany, france, south america and dozens of other sources. There goes the starving baby theory. Then there's the war theory. We only went in one time since gulf war one and since now, and that was during clintons term in office when he was covering his -*BAD WORD*-. We went in a pulled out just to distract from his personal problems and became a bigger joke in the eyes of the world.

 

And on US patriots vs towelhead nutjobs, I completley disagree. What you think of patriots are trying to stop anymore death and destruction by rooting out and exterminating possible threats to their saftey, knowing they may burn in -*BAD WORD*-. And on the other end of the spectrum, you have the camel cartel who just want to exterminated those that don't follow allah because it's deemed as a threat to an ideal, not their saftey, and they believe that they will be going to paradise where 70 virgins will be awaiting them. -*BAD WORD*-, muslims kill muslims more often than "patriots" kill everyone else deemed a threat.

 

What you deem as patriots try to negotiate and look what happens, 5000 dead on one day. How would you feel if someone drove a truck bomb into the heart of toronto and took down that needle thing in your skyline during the middle of the day when it was full of people and it collapsed onto other nearby buildings killing even more? Remember, you guys are an ally and are now a target of these same nutjobs.

 

PS, mabey a muslim woman can help me on this. Now, a muslim guy blows himself up thinking he'll be facing 70 virgin women. What do you think you'd face, as a muslim woman suicide bomber when you go to this paradise? Have you ever seen 70 virgin men in the same room?

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww............

Think before you blow yourselves up plz...

[Tipme]

judging by the lenghts of ur topics...u really care

bt ...i forgot why we hate Saddam again...

[»nintendo64]

First off, glad you agree that saddam is an -*BAD WORD*- who should be hunted down.

 

On the DUS, yeah, we still use those, as well as russia, france and until a few years ago germany. BTW, all of the above had sold weapons to the saddams government during the past 12 years, all of which are now trying to cover that fact up by saying "get out america and let us handle things from here" then again it's a UN not a US effort, so just sit back and let them do their work. After all, those things can be hidden in the most innocuous places.

 

 

And on US patriots vs towelhead nutjobs, I completley disagree. What you think of patriots are trying to stop anymore death and destruction by rooting out and exterminating possible threats to their saftey, knowing they And the effort to get saddam once and for all had only begun this year. not 12 years ago. 12 years ago it was decided that we'd let that boy be to run his own babana republic in the desert. Unfortunatley that plan backfired and hundreds of thousands of innocents had been killed, and not by sanctions, but by saddams boys. They could get their food from any other nation on the planet, we are not the worlds' bread basket you know. They had been getthing food from spain, germany, france, south america and dozens of other sources. There goes the starving baby theory. Then there's the war theory. We only went in one time since gulf war one and since now, and that was during clintons term in office when he was covering his -*BAD WORD*-. We went in a pulled out just to distract from his personal problems and became a bigger joke in the eyes of the world.

may burn in -*BAD WORD*-. And on the other end of the spectrum, you have the camel cartel who just want to exterminated those that don't follow allah because it's deemed as a threat to an ideal, not their saftey, and they believe that they will be going to paradise where 70 virgins will be awaiting them. -*BAD WORD*-, muslims kill muslims more often than "patriots" kill everyone else deemed a threat.

 

What you deem as patriots try to negotiate and look what happens, 5000 dead on one day. How would you feel if someone drove a truck bomb into the heart of toronto and took down that needle thing in your skyline during the middle of the day when it was full of people and it collapsed onto other nearby buildings killing even more? Remember, you guys are an ally and are now a target of these same nutjobs.

I'll just state facts:

 

1)In 1998, a USA think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC), wrote a letter to USA president Bill Clinton advising him to remove Saddam Husein from Iraq without mentioning moral reasons, human rights, or terrorism.

The PNAC describes itself as a "non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle; and that too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership."

 

These authors became advisers to USA president George W Bush in 2000 and include Bush's current Pentagon adviser, Richard Perle; Richard Armitage, the number two at the USA State Department; John Bolton and Paula Dobriansky, under-secretaries of state; Elliott Abrams, the presidential adviser for the Middle East and a member of the USA National Security Council; and Peter W Rodman, !@#$%^&*istant secretary of defence for international security affairs, Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush's special envoy to the Iraqi opposition; ex-director James Woolsey and Robert B Zoelick, the USA trade representative.

 

In September 2000, The PNAC published a do-*BAD WORD*-ent called Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century. It clearly reveals that the USA has been planning to take more control of the region in around the Middle East (including the Gulf) even before the attacks on the USA on 11 September 2001.

 

2)The USA has, by far, bombed more countries than any other nation. Sometimes the United Nations approves. If it does not, the USA will bomb anyway. Many countries are subject to unilateral economic sanctions by the USA. Cuba is a good example. The USA will not only impose sanctions but often cajoles and bullies other countries to follow it. Again, the United Nations is used if possible, and ignored if not.

 

A lot of invaded nations to even mention.

 

3)Because a President is a murdere, you cannot remove him from power, because Soverignity it's a Democracy Principle and Democracies cannot VIOLATE THEM.

 

4) During the Desert Storm terror campaign at least 944,000 rounds of DU ammo were fired from American A-10 Warthogs all over Iraq and Kuwait. The A-10 is an aircraft built around a 30mm, 7-barrel gattling gun that can spew 3900 rounds per minute.

 

When a depleted uranium tipped s-*BAD WORD*- strikes a tank or armored personnel carrier it ignites, penetrates the armor with ease and burns the crew alive. The impact also vaporizes the depleted uranium, creating an aerosol of radioactive heavy-metal particles which can spread as far as 190 miles on the wind.

 

When inhaled or ingested, the depleted uranium particles cause chemical and radioactive damage to the bronchial tree, kidneys, liver and bones. Cancer often results, and the effects can even include genetic damage.

 

The Dutch Laka Foundation estimates that the United States terror campaign left behind 300-800 tons of radioactive waste from this ammunition all over Kuwait and Iraq — poisoning the air, the land, the water and the people everywhere.

 

Afterwards, wherever the depleted uranium firing had been concentrated, there were cancer epidemics among Iraqi civilians living nearby. In the years since then, the sanctions, polluted water and depleted uranium together have killed somewhere between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 Iraqi civilian people. At least 600,000 of the dead are children under five years-old. Cancer rates have quadrupled in areas of southern Iraq bombed by the American and British state terrorists.

 

from 1991 to 1997 they did this. I never saw where exactly they stopped?

 

 

5) In the process, U.S. and British pilots slaughtered at least 200,000 Iraqi men, women and children. And of course all these murdered human beings were dismissed by the Pentagon as “collateral damage”.

 

In the years since that carnage, the United Nations estimates that over one million Iraqi civilians — including 600,000 children below the age of five — have died as a result of American sanctions alone. This is a conservative estimate.

 

6) Some actions for Freedom by the USA.

 

Amnesty International estimated that by 1989, Indonesian troops, with the aim of forcibly annexing East Timor, had killed 200,000 people out of a population of between 600,000 and 700,000. The United States consistently supported Indonesia’s claim to East Timor (unlike the UN and the EU), and downplayed the slaughter to a remarkable degree, at the same time supplying Indonesia with all the military hardware and training it needed to carry out the job.

 

It was supposed to be a mission to help feed the starving masses. Before long, the U.S. was trying to rearrange the country’s political map by eliminating the dominant warlord, Mohamed Aidid, and his power base. On many occasions, beginning in June, U.S. helicopters strafed groups of Aidid’s supporters and fired missiles at them. Scores were killed. Then, in October, a daring attempt by some 120 elite American forces to kidnap two leaders of Aidid’s clan resulted in a horrendous bloody battle. The final tally was five U.S. helicopters shot down, 18 Americans dead, 73 wounded, 500 to 1000 Somalians killed, many more injured.

 

Everyone knows of the unbelievable repression of women in Afghanistan, carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, even before the Taliban. But how many people know that during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, Afghanistan had a government committed to bringing the incredibly backward nation into the 20th century, including giving women equal rights?

 

What happened, however, is that the United States poured billions of dollars into waging a terrible war against this government, simply because it was supported by the Soviet Union. Prior to this, CIA operations had knowingly increased the probability of a Soviet intervention, which is what occurred. In the end, the United States won, and the women, and the rest of Afghanistan, lost. More than a million dead, three million disabled, five million refugees, in total about half the population.

 

and many more

 

 

I will not post more facts too much to mention, USA is still on their colonial ideas which are very wrongful, i am not anti-USA in fact i'd rather have the USA as a superpower than the Soviet Union, but at the moment EU looks like a more suited for the job as a SuperPower than USA, the states likes to mess to much with politics of other countries either for profit or for "good".

 

-nintendo64

[Manus Celer Dei]

Yay Saddam has been captured, I don't think anyone here can honestly say they're sad to see him go. The trial will be completely fair and I'm sure the result isn't a foregone conclusion (coughing).

 

That being said, the hunt for WMDs will still continue until the world media and popular attention forget about the whole issue, then the "search" will be conveniently dropped in favour of more "pressing" agendas.

 

World politics at large makes me proud to be a New Zealander, noone seems to want to fly planes into our buildings, or fire masses of cruise missiles at our cities, and thats the way I like it.

[Aileron]

Look, the minute the EU takes over, which btw it will never do, you people will be griping about the "atrocities" that they commit. That is ofcourse unless you are European, and then what the EU will be doing is gospel.

 

 

 

What is sad is that of all the debates over whether or not we should go into Iraq, no arguement was a good one.

 

The justifications offered by the Bush administration were not good. The links between Iraq and Al-Queda are loose at best. The WMDs were not proven and a far cry from an immenent threat.

 

However, I do NOT criticise these justifications because ultimately they were enough to go to war. They were not good, but they were better than the compe!@#$%^&*ion, which mostly consisted of the "Oil war" arguement. Honestly, THAT is why we went to war, because the biggest arguement against doing so is not only based on premises that are unlikely to be true and impossible to prove, but also didn't follow logically.

 

Okay, suppose for a second that there was a ski resort in -*BAD WORD*- and that you could prove that Bush was going for oil. I'll give you that premise that a politician would risk his career so that a few oil businessmen that he knows, not necessarily likes, might make a profit. If true that would make Bush essentially a thief, but Hussein would still be a murderer. Suppose you had a choice what crime would be done to you. Wouldn't it be less horrible for you to be robbed then killed? On top of that, this arguement doesn't indicate at all why the o-so-holy UN shouldn't have gone into Iraq. Overall, this arguement is an illogical pile of emotion that appeals to nobody except those who are already blindly against the war in the first place.

[»nintendo64]

most of us doesn't agree with it Aileron it's because of 1991 Gulf War, but yeah i agree on both sides only has speculations as arguements, so they could be both wrong, one right and one wrong or both right, so anyway .

 

 

this is something i found:

 

http://www.krysstal.com/images/democracy_iraq1991.jpg

 

-nintendo64

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I think the war in iraq was totally unjustified, no weapons of m!@#$%^&* destruction have been found, the weapons inspectors were not given enough time to prove there were none, which I am quiet sure of. Iraq posed no threat to America what so ever, or any nation which involved itself in this war, it has not the technology or the resources to make weapons which could threaten any country other than it's close naighbours, which are all oil producing countrys. This is why America went to war, they want the oil. Guess who gets the job of rebuilding Iraqs oil producing infrastructure, American oil companys, thats who. I mean, you couldn't posibly let the Iraqis control their oil.

 

In summary, anyone who believes that what the British or American soldiers did is a brave and just thing to have done is cleary a individual of low inteigence, as they alowed themselfs to be controled by American propeganda, and follow the lead of a man who, as I have said many times, is quiet cleary an idiot.