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Fluffz Newbie

Fluffz

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Greetings,

 

I would like to start a new project for this community. Let me first !@#$%^&*ure you that i am not a total idiot, i am 26 years old and worked on IT projects way bigger than subspace. Its easy to archive a clear goal when you get paid to legaly use existing infastructure. None of these things exists for subspace and with your help i would like to change that.

 

Usually individual interests can be followed more easy when you have a community of like-minded. With subspace we are not even at this point. We have a community for every subgame in every subzone and 2 clients being developed. We waste our power. We still do not present ourselve to the outside, we have no goal to archive. And the worst thing is, this situation is lasting for severaly years now. Subspace is no success story, it is a huge fustrating waste of possibility.

 

This is where my idea comes into play. Based on the austrian law called "Vereinsgesetz 2002" i would like to found an organisation. An organisation for people to unite under a common goal in organized form over a long periode of time. Legal fundamentals would be

  • non profit
  • low cost
  • juristic person
  • no liability of members
  • tax benefits for donators and income

 

What would we gain from such an Organisation? Without question my main goal is funding. It will be a different approach when a 30 people company asks for money contrary to a single zone host or even map designer. Furthermore we will have a defined goal. A goal that is not dictated by an exceptional individual. As much as this might cause uproar, i never considered continuum an improvement. It lacked mouse support, i could not use my softice modifications (dont worry, i just disabled attach messages) and wth there was no single player anymore. As much as this worked (or didn't *cough* closed development *cough*) in the past we can not always rely on such persons to emergy, especially not in this modern age of IT. One day we might eventually get the IP. We will be able to create infrastructure individuals can not access, for example the microsoft partner programm or action pack.

 

Let me stress you trough the legal process. First we would be defining the name and goal of our organisation, than the actual founding process by at least 2 members takes place. Afterwards there will be a member meeting and we will be voting the administration. Of course i would pay for the very low cost of founding, bank accounts and so on.

 

I set up an email address and if you are interested write me an email with name, address and telephone number (i might actually write you a letter so dont get shocked). Exclude your nickname so we remain anonymous. Also let me !@#$%^&*ure you i have no interest in stalking males, of course if you are some hot female from austria i cant guarantee im not gona invite you over. Remember you have to do nothing, you can read trough the law if you think i am lying about anything, you do not register to anything. I just want to know how many people would be generally interested in such an attempt. All i am asking for is a name and an address i could send a letter to.

 

Gentleman, let us create our future, do not assume this is a nerd thing to do or even an unnecessarity. It is not, the closest to real world this game will ever come is trough a foundation. There is a reason why the world is full of succesful companies it would be delusional to assume our product would be something different.

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CRe Newbie

CRe

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austrailian law is only jurisdictional in Austrailia. How do you know that law in Austrailia would apply here? (in the US or Canada, or even Europe)

 

Its not Australia Its Austria.

Samapico Newbie

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austrailian law is only jurisdictional in Austrailia. How do you know that law in Austrailia would apply here? (in the US or Canada, or even Europe)

 

Its not Australia Its Austria.

And even less Austrailia

or even Europe
lol, yeah... someone needs an Atlas blum.gif

 

 

 

Having a "defined goal" doesn't mean anything... We don't need austrian paperwork to define a goal. No offense, but as far as I'm concerned, this all sounds pretty useless.

Dav Newbie

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I think this project runs a huge risk of creating a system where few individuals have all of the power.

 

We have learnt the hard way about this for two reasons.

 

1. People in power move on without passing on tue ability to continue their work. This leads to a stall in devolpment and an inability solve problems when they arise.

 

2. People abuse their power causing a whole magnitude of issues.

 

I can see where you are coming from, but a community based devolpment is the way to go.

Dr Brain Newbie

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Without a replacement client, or a totally redesigned infrastructure, nothing in your proposal will change anything. True, it might get money to server hosts more easily than at present, but that would be the only change (one completely invisible to the end user).

 

I'm not putting you down. I'm only stating that your primary goal shouldn't be funding, but rather design or redesign of the client. At the very least your goal needs to be funding a game development team.

Fluffz Newbie

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I doubt this game is going anywhere if we dont unify our contributions. There are 2 clients in development while TW refuses to even try !@#$%^&* because Priitk hosts the server. Honestly what result do you expect that isnt a community split? The problems you deal with are not solved by great coding skills alone. You think you are developing a community project when its not sure wheter or not the majority of SS players will ever benefit from it? I dont want to stop individuals from doint whatever they wish to do, i want to support people that want to archive the same thing (yes by using money). And there should be quite a few people who want the same thing for this game.
Lynx Newbie

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I'm very doubtful to this whole thing - not to the point where I am going to nitpick at everything that seems to be a little... Let's say... Far-fetched, but I just can't see how an organisation of people with let's face it - very little money - will improve a game which can't really be improved unless either: a !@#$%^&* of a lot of money gets poured right into client development, or SRC gets passed on to the next person (which will never happen).

 

As I've said, just enjoy this game while it's still around... Sorry to burst a bubble here, but throwing legal humbug into what's clearly already a quite transparent en!@#$%^&*y seems.. illogical. You'd also need backing from Priit, BD etc, I believe.. (Which you probably won't get)...

 

Good luck in your endeavours anyway...

 

-Lynx

Samapico Newbie

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But I fail to see how making up an organization would 'unify our contributions' any more than just working on projects ourselves.

 

Also, the 2 clients in development you speak of (!@#$%^&*uming Subspace 2 and Discretion) don't have the same objective, and are not meant to have the same objective either. They are 2 completely parallel projects that don't need to be "unified".

 

Most, if not all, projects in development around here are open-source, and anyone willing to help can participate. We wouldn't get any more human resources if we were to make that organization. Also, being an organization wouldn't make Priitk suddenly change his mind, he wouldn't suddenly give us the code or anything

rootbear75 Newbie

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austrailian law is only jurisdictional in Austrailia. How do you know that law in Austrailia would apply here? (in the US or Canada, or even Europe)

 

Its not Australia Its Austria.

sorry, i thought i read austrailian not austrian.

 

but my point still applies. who says this austrian law would be legal other places.

PoLiX Newbie

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If it was Estonian, then we'd be talking. As the game client we currently use was developed there, and so the laws protecting it in Estonia would apply.

 

That is like saying a US law protected a man from going to jail in Germany...

 

We could unite what is left of the web community in a few days easily if we wanted. Thing is, I work 40+ hrs a week to pay the bills and enjoy life, and don't have all the time and devotion anymore it would take to do such. I prefer using my Sundays to sleep in and then watch football... just me though.

Drake7707 Newbie

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Most of the community aren't in school anymore and have full time jobs. It's pretty hard to find someone who modifies a bot for you, let alone work on a full project. (You could look at Subspace2 or ThirdSpace).

 

I enjoy a nice programming session and all, but if you have to work most of the day or are at school most of the day (like me this semester and home -> school -> home takes 3 hours or more) i prefer to sit in my comfortable sofa watching the episodes i missed (or rather 1 episode, then i need to go to sleep because i need to wake up at 5:30 to be on time). I can imagine those who have a significant other there's even less time to get some hobby work time done.

Blocks Newbie

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FROM: MR. BAUMGARTNER

 

Greetings kind sirs,

 

I am write to you today because I need of !@#$%^&*istance with a business matter. Recently I have been heir to large sum of money, left to me by late Prince Voklom of Uzbekistan. The exact value of his fortune is unknown, but estimate to be over TEN MILLION USD. However, laws in my great country of Austria prevent to receive foreign money as individual. Under "Vereinsgesetz 2002" a organisation may be create to receive foreign money. Organisation would allow receipt of money and disbursement of !@#$%^&*ets when disbanded. You and I are sole beneficiaries of such organisation. I am a generous man and would offer you TWENTY-AND-FIVE PERCENT Prince Voklom's fortune in exchange for your !@#$%^&*istance. Vereinsgesetz 2002 require that organisation be found with TEN THOUSAND USD in starting !@#$%^&*ets. I am on hard times and can supply only half that amount. I am request your !@#$%^&*istance with other half, to send me FIVE THOUSAND USD help found organisation.

 

I have contact you because mutual friend said you are sensible man and would not reject good business opportunity. I am great need of money and willing share large part in exchange for !@#$%^&*istance. Please contact me with agreement. Time is of the essence.

 

Sincerely,

Franz Baumgartner

 

P.S. I will throw in Saddam Hussein's secret gold stash found in Iraq as bonus!

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