Palin

[Dr Brain]

Let me get this straight, SeVeR...

 

You think that the quote:

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan.

 

Should be:

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right; also, for this country. That our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan.

 

The "That" that begins the second sentence still links it to the first in a way that would indicate "my interpretation of her words seems to be the most logical interpretation". Lol, that's such a condescending and pretentious way of saying things, but I can never resist an Aceflyer jibe.

 

I don't think she ever said Iraq was a task from God, so there's no contradiction in my interpretation either (and I'd argue much less contradiction than yours).

 

Please correct me if the second quote wasn't what you meant.

[Aceflyer]

I'll leave SeVeR to reply to the brunt of Doc's post, but I wanted to address his so-called jibe at me (yes Doc, I heart you too):

 

Doc, that jibe is rich, especially coming after all your rhetoric about not taking things out of context. Here's what I actually wrote, complete with context:

 

As for the rest, I agree with SeVeR's last post in this thread. Palin could have been clearer, but SeVeR's (and my) interpretation of her words seems to be the most logical interpretation.

 

Clearly I was merely stating that I agreed with SeVeR's post, and that I felt that his interpretation (which also happened to be the same as my interpretation) seemed to be the most logical one. Doc's out-of-context quote - which discards a parenthesis and was cut out from my actual sentence - was purposely used to attempt to finger me as being egotistical and narcissistic.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Aceflyer

[Dr Brain]

Mine, while slightly changed to fit, was used in the same context as yours. I'll call it a "you're wrong, I'm right, hahaha" context. And yes, the idea was to show you as being egotistical and narcissistic (as well as extremely condescending).

[SeVeR]

Should be:

 

QUOTE

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right; also, for this country. That our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan.

Yes. This is the way she spoke the words, and whether or not she read the speech wrong matters little because she said it in that way. It might have made more sense if she'd read it in the way you propose, but i don't pretend to know how Christians lead their prayers.

 

In the first sentence she is praying that the military are doing what is right over there, and that this is also right for America. The second sentence states that America's leaders have sent them out on a task from God. The third sentence prays that the American military have a plan for this task that agrees with God's plan.

 

I mean look, saying that God has a plan for the Iraq war is saying plenty.

 

That's the way i see it.

Edited September 22, 2008 by SeVeR

[NBVegita]

I would have to disagree Sever.

 

I find it illogical to believe that a professional speech writer would have an incomplete sentence that contradicts the sentence before and after.

 

I will give you that it was poor speech by Palin.

 

But i would even venture to say that if posted in the news (your interpretation) they would have added:

 

"(Pray) That our leaders, our national leaders, are..."

 

So as not to confuse the statement and to make more sense of an incomplete sentence.

 

Also the semi colon with an also would indicate that she is asking you to also pray for this country.

 

This reminds me an awful lot like when people were disecting Obama's sentences incorrectly.

[Aceflyer]

Mine, while slightly changed to fit, was used in the same context as yours. I'll call it a "you're wrong, I'm right, hahaha" context. And yes, the idea was to show you as being egotistical and narcissistic (as well as extremely condescending).

 

Key words bolded.

 

Contrary to what you did, I did not change what Palin stated at all in my argument, nor did I selectively cut out part of a sentence she said and attempt to p!@#$%^&* off said part as a full sentence.

[Dr Brain]

In the first sentence she is praying that the military are doing what is right over there, and that this is also right for America. The second sentence states that America's leaders have sent them out on a task from God. The third sentence prays that the American military have a plan for this task that agrees with God's plan.

 

But the second sentence doesn't say that, even when you change the punctuation. The "That" that now begins it is the key. If you throw away the word, I'd agree that the sentence would follow your interpretation.

 

P.S. Ace, way to totally miss my point. My point wasn't to misquote you, it was to show you how much of an !@#$%^&* you were being. I obviously failed.

[Aceflyer]

P.S. Ace, way to totally miss my point. My point wasn't to misquote you, it was to show you how much of an !@#$%^&* you were being. I obviously failed.

 

Except that I wasn't being an !@#$%^&* at all, and you needed to misquote me and take a sentence fragment out of context in order to make it appear (falsely) that I was being an !@#$%^&*.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Aceflyer

[SeVeR]

It's borderline, if she'd said "pray that" instead of just "that" i might have thought so, but as it is i don't know.

[Dr Brain]

What else could the "That" refer to besides the Pray verb in the previous sentence?

[SeVeR]

I just listened to it again. She said it in the way of a statement, not as a continuation of the previous sentence. Her words are so muddled anyway, it's sad. It sounds like she was reading it from an auto-que and forgot what punctuation is...

[Dr Brain]

Seemed pretty clear to me.

[Bak]

y isn't palin running mccain's campaign while he discusses most important bill in over a decade?

 

 

 

edit: nvm, figured it out:

 

npUMUASwaechttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npUMUASwaec

[NBVegita]

Unless you wish to argue that Bristol Palin and Sarah Palin wanted to get pregnant when they did (and if you argue this, then it shows that they both clearly lack common sense), then clearly their pregnancies were accidents caused by a lack of use of reliable contraception. In either case my statement is valid.

 

You know i was reading through this topic and this really made me laugh. I mean thats just about the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.

 

First even the pill is only 99% effective. That is !@#$%^&*uming you are on it. Many girls don't feel comforitable letting their parents know they're sexually active and a lot of parents aren't comforitable with their kids being sexually active under the age of 18. Condoms are mostly effective but have their flaws. I mean there are more ways than i can list where you can have an accidental pregnancy. Even my mother had her tubes tied after her second child and found out nearly 20 years later that the surgery was not a complete success and that she could have gotten pregnant.

 

Also !@#$%^&*uming that Palin herself does not use the pill does not mean she is against it. I mean I don't hunt so does that mean I'm against hunting?

 

I mean seriously.

[Aceflyer]

You know i was reading through this topic and this really made me laugh. I mean thats just about the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.

 

First even the pill is only 99% effective. That is !@#$%^&*uming you are on it. Many girls don't feel comforitable letting their parents know they're sexually active and a lot of parents aren't comforitable with their kids being sexually active under the age of 18. Condoms are mostly effective but have their flaws. I mean there are more ways than i can list where you can have an accidental pregnancy. Even my mother had her tubes tied after her second child and found out nearly 20 years later that the surgery was not a complete success and that she could have gotten pregnant.

 

Also !@#$%^&*uming that Palin herself does not use the pill does not mean she is against it. I mean I don't hunt so does that mean I'm against hunting?

 

I mean seriously.

 

That was Sarah Palin's fifth pregnancy. She was in her forties. You'd think she'd know by then whether the pill, the shot, or whatever form of contraception she was (or wasn't) using was effective or not? If she didn't know by then, I'm sorry, but then she clearly lacks common sense.

 

In the hypothetical case that Sarah Palin was on the pill, and knew that the pill was prone to failure for her, wouldn't you think that she should have told her daughter about the dangers of relying on the pill?

[Samapico]

It's not too late to have kids in your 40's... Here's a theory, I know it's really stupid and all.. but.. Maybe she likes children?

 

Oh wait, no, that's impossible... right?

 

So far, the only possibilities you laid out were:

-Contraception failed

-She is against contraception so she gets pregnant every time she has sex

 

And her daughter, well, ok most likely she did not 'want' that pregnancy. But once she had it, it doesn't mean she is 'against abortion' if she decided not to. Being pro-choice means you want the choice... Maybe she chose to keep it.

 

I'm not saying I know what her positions are (not that I care), I'm just saying your arguments are lacking a bit of.. humanity.

[Aceflyer]

It's not too late to have kids in your 40's... Here's a theory, I know it's really stupid and all.. but.. Maybe she likes children?

 

Oh wait, no, that's impossible... right?

 

Medically it's a very bad idea for women to have children in their 40's. Such children are at significantly increased risks of suffering from a whole range of symptoms and diseases. In the case of Trig Palin, he suffers from Down syndrome.

 

So far, the only possibilities you laid out were:

-Contraception failed

-She is against contraception so she gets pregnant every time she has sex

 

No, I also laid out the (very real) possibility that she simply lacks common sense.

 

Further, I have never held or expressed the frankly ludicrous opinion that she is "against contraception so she gets pregnant every time she has sex".

 

And her daughter, well, ok most likely she did not 'want' that pregnancy. But once she had it, it doesn't mean she is 'against abortion' if she decided not to. Being pro-choice means you want the choice... Maybe she chose to keep it.

 

Sarah Palin has clearly stated, explicitly, that she is against abortion, even in cases of rape or incest.

 

My claim regarding Sarah Palin's anti-abortion stance had nothing to do with either her or her daughter's pregnancies. I certainly have never held or expressed the view that anyone should be forced to get an abortion.

 

I'm not saying I know what her positions are (not that I care), I'm just saying your arguments are lacking a bit of.. humanity.

 

Also- I do consider you an online friend, Sama, but I don't appreciate being attacked with a claim that my arguments lack "humanity". Perhaps you should have read my posts more carefully before making such a claim.

Edited September 26, 2008 by Aceflyer

[SeVeR]

edit: nvm' date=' figured it out:[/quote'] Is that video real? It looks like the words were just played over the video. If it's real then god !@#$%^&*... she's stupid.

Edited September 26, 2008 by SeVeR

[Bak]

it is real; here's cnn's take on it, with synced audio. i like how wolf tries to defend her.

 

L8__aXxXPVchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

[SeVeR]

Holy crap........

 

I was already saying how bad it would be to have her as VP given that she's a corrupt Christian fanatic, but this almost makes me feel sick.

 

I honestly thought it was a joke by someone on Youtube at first, and considering how low an opinion i already had of her, that was incredibly sympathetic of me.

 

just wow...

[Aceflyer]

Yeah, the video is a doozy.

[AstroProdigy]

Don't criticize her or else you're a sexist.

[Machu]

OMG

 

CNN? U BIAS DEMOCRAT

 

FOXNEWS OWNS UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[FMBI]

ROFL.

[CRe]

That was Sarah Palin's fifth pregnancy. She was in her forties.

 

That is the stupidest thing I've heard. My mother had her sixth pregnancy when she was in her forties and shes fine.