Regarding SSW

[Chambahs]

I will just quote what I posted at www.sscouncil.com/forum :

 

SSW access has been stripped from me. Sorry to all zones that were hosted under me, make a backup of your files, I will see if I can get you all back up on another server.

 

Why was this caused?

 

Well, since confess cant inform me that hes doing such things before he does them, I will assume.

 

About a week ago, I let confess know I didnt want to use the SST biller he provided for me. (He originally asked if I even wanted to run on it). He, in turn, got angry and gave me the ultimatum of either running the SST biller, or to not run SSW. So, I continued to use the SST biller until I came up with my bright idea. And that idea was to merge all non-ssc zones on one biller. So I switched over to the SSA biller, and confess probably finally saw, got mad, and removed me from admin of the server. I guess this is what I get for trying to help build the community together while dealing with an "Elite-ist".

 

So again, zones, not to worry, I will try as hard as I can to find you another server. My apologies for this mess.

[Dav]

don't you just love the game politics?

 

anyhoo having the non ssc zones on a single biller can only be a good thing so I hope all goes swimmingly.

[CRe]

don't you just love the game politics?

 

anyhoo having the non ssc zones on a single biller can only be a good thing so I hope all goes swimmingly.

 

It would have just been a second ssc where you would need permission to get access and such.

[Dav]

don't you just love the game politics?

 

anyhoo having the non ssc zones on a single biller can only be a good thing so I hope all goes swimmingly.

 

It would have just been a second ssc where you would need permission to get access and such.

 

yeah but any biller will have to grant you access unless you host it yourself anyway. As long as it allows just about anything (within reason) rather then being restrictive (like SSC) its benefits will be seen.

[»Lynx]

Well, I'm sure that any serious zone owners can find hosting in the next day or so without any trouble.

 

-Lynx

[BlueGoku]

Remind me again why it is that SSC has such a bad rep when stuff like this seems to happen all the time on the non-SSC billers? This is what happens when instead of a council of mature individuals controlling a biller you have one or two guys who are obviously not mature enough.

 

The last big thing that happened within the SSC was SVS flipping out a couple of years ago, but even then the situation was diffused before it even had a chance to escalate, with GS removing him entirely.

[Hakaku]

Remind me again why it is that SSC has such a bad rep when stuff like this seems to happen all the time on the non-SSC billers? This is what happens when instead of a council of mature individuals controlling a biller you have one or two guys who are obviously not mature enough.

 

The last big thing that happened within the SSC was SVS flipping out a couple of years ago, but even then the situation was diffused before it even had a chance to escalate, with GS removing him entirely.

If you have to make up an excuse for why the sscouncil has such a bad reputation, then you're obviously missing the point. SVS is too modern to even be considered an important factor for the 'hate' towards the SSC as a whole.

 

If you seek reasons for where all this originated from, then maybe you should ask old players & zone owners, and former zone/biller hosts.

[MikeTheNose]

Hehe, I need no explainations. One either has one of three things: Friends, Enemies and people who just don't care.

[X`terrania]

yeah look towards ur peers such as mikethenose to find out why ssc ops have such a bad rep

[JDS]

!@#$%^&* i thought confess was cool all this time, guess he is jus another moron

 

then again i still remember chambahs getting me fired from desert storm oh so many years ago

 

so i spit on you both! i hope your plan fails

[Confess]

Here, let me explain my actions. My main reason for his removal has little to do with his move to the non-ssc biller. Here is my post on the MGB Forums, since I doubt many of you'd read it:

 

 

You moving billers wasnt the only reason - it was due to your lack of maturity. I dont see you as the type of person that could effectively represent an SSC Host, it was a poor decision for me to make to add you as the op. Not because you're a bad person, by no means - but because you have no experience. On top of that - after being told not to do something, you went around my back thinking that I wouldnt notice - which is foolish, as you posted the fact that you were moving billers on this very board, where I am a mod...

 

One thing that also pissed me off, was what you stated to me randomly...In which, you called Mikethenose, The BANG COORDINATOR, stupid for giving you Lvl 2 in 17th Parallel, and that you could BAN the sysops... This shows a serious lack of maturity.

 

Regards,

Confess+

 

As far as the non-ssc biller goes, infact I heavily encourage a non-ssc wide biller and would be more then willing to support it (financially and else wise).

 

This decision was not made without precise thought, I considered very heavily whether I should do this or not - and I believe that I have made the right choice (for the moment). Those of you that know me, know that something like this is never made with little thought.

 

Regards.

Edited August 29, 2008 by Confess

[JDS]

your re!@#$%^&*ed confess, that was the dumbest post i ever read.. ohhh you gota be soooo mature to have power on subspace!!!

 

look at you, you fruit, you post like your top !@#$%^&*.. your not mature, your just a stuck up fool who thinks he's going somewhere, look the gun down the barel and smarten up, subspace isnt goona be run by you mature.. people forever. its not the 'mature' people that get !@#$%^&* done.. its not the 'mature people' who develop anything WORTH WHILE. its not the 'mature' people who make this game fun..

 

 

so for all you !@#$%^&*ing 'mature' people who claim to run subspace, you suck my balls.

[Chambahs]

As far as the lvl2 and banning the sysops in 17th goes, I think sama can agree it was a joke. Since we went back and forth with it for a while.

 

No experience? You got me there, I was never a zone host before, but I dont think there is anyone that didnt know that.

 

Going behind your back? By posting on multiple forums about SSW going to SSA biller? Its called doing it in front of your face.

 

I did what I thought was right, merging non-ssc billers into one. As well as alot of people supported the idea. Its not my fault you want control over everything. Why didnt you want me going on SSA biller? Because you had no power on it. Get off your white horse. Last time I remember you told me specifically: "I want nothing to do with the server, its all yours to run." Did you not?

 

Good job making yourself look worse.

 

Edit: Also, last time I checked, I was doing a swell job of hosting zones, any objections?

Edited August 29, 2008 by Chambahs

[Samapico]

One thing that also pissed me off, was what you stated to me randomly...In which, you called Mikethenose, The BANG COORDINATOR, stupid for giving you Lvl 2 in 17th Parallel, and that you could BAN the sysops... This shows a serious lack of maturity.

Just to clarify this, I was the one who noticed this mistake, I informed Chambs to know if he knew anything about it. If I did, in fact, fear that he would go on a banning spree, I simply wouldn't have told him. He was also well aware that even if he managed to find his password, he could not ban the sysops ('the sysops' actually refers to me). I even told him he could try all he want. As far as I know, he was just joking around saying he was gonna BAN EVERYONE OMGOMGOGM

 

I think this shows a lack of humor if you take everything so seriously...

[Dav]

Remind me again why it is that SSC has such a bad rep when stuff like this seems to happen all the time on the non-SSC billers? This is what happens when instead of a council of mature individuals controlling a biller you have one or two guys who are obviously not mature enough.

 

The last big thing that happened within the SSC was SVS flipping out a couple of years ago, but even then the situation was diffused before it even had a chance to escalate, with GS removing him entirely.

 

I am guessing that this is in reference to my post where i said SSC is fussy about who it lets in.

 

IMO SSC needs to be careful who it selects, the strict criteria are needed as the official servers must be up to standard.

 

The second biller network cannot do this. For a zone to get good enough for SSC it needs time to develop and grow with good hosting. This is the task of the second biller network which to do this cannot be too selective.

[Chambahs]

This topic is about SSW, not SSC vs the world.

[»Lynx]

As far as SSW hosting now going down, it's a shame, but I don't really see it effecting a lot of people. There are still other hosting options such as L.C. and Snrrrub, and I'm sure that somebody can always pick up from where Chambahs has left off. If Confess+ has a problem with somebodies way of doing things.. Oh well, he pays the bills. I figured that this probably wasn't just about the biller, and more so about other things.

 

As for SSC, although they can be a pain in the arse - they were pretty productive in moving my zone from SSI to SSA - considering I'm not exactly an SSC fanboy and haven't said the greatest things about them here, there and elsewhere. There are still a lot of things which bug me, though.

 

As for the secondary biller, I completely agree - it can't be selective at all, however the advantage is that the secondary biller is getting developed *NOW and will be a !@#$%^&* of a lot better, feature and security wise, than SSC. This allows for more complex hosting and allows for even rogue operators of the second biller to only do damage to one thing - their own zone.

 

And to people having power all over Subspace - that spells failure in my book.

 

-Lynx

[Drake7707]

ah source material for subspace e-drama volume 3 ... the wait begins

[Confess]

Chambahs, I am more then willing to take any further conversation privately - as it is between me and you, but my decision will remain the same. I simply do not see you as mature enough to run a server which I host my personal business stuff on.

[PoLiX]

I still have my ring. So meh.

[Cancer+]

One ring to rule them all....

 

Anyways, I don't really know what happened between you two. But on Confess' behalf, I have worked with him many many times whether he was running my zone or letting me host zones on his biller. I have never once had a problem with him.

 

I have also worked with Chambahs alot. He can be brash at times, but is usually for the better.

 

 

This is in no way taking sides for one or the other. This is just for the people who talk !@#$%^&* on either person and don't know what the !@#$%^&* they are talking about.

[Chambahs]

Yes, I rule with an iron fist!

 

Everyone that has worked for me, knows i can either be a !@#$%^&*, or the best sysop ever. Depends on if things need to get done. And nobody here can say that things dont get done the way I run stuff. Thats all that matters

[rootbear75]

Here, let me explain my actions. My main reason for his removal has little to do with his move to the non-ssc biller. Here is my post on the MGB Forums, since I doubt many of you'd read it:

 

{ quoteness ]

 

As far as the non-ssc biller goes, infact I heavily encourage a non-ssc wide biller and would be more then willing to support it (financially and else wise).

 

This decision was not made without precise thought, I considered very heavily whether I should do this or not - and I believe that I have made the right choice (for the moment). Those of you that know me, know that something like this is never made with little thought.

 

Regards.

your re!@#$%^&*ed confess, that was the dumbest post i ever read.. ohhh you gota be soooo mature to have power on subspace!!!

 

look at you, you fruit, you post like your top !@#$%^&*.. your not mature, your just a stuck up fool who thinks he's going somewhere, look the gun down the barel and smarten up, subspace isnt goona be run by you mature.. people forever. its not the 'mature' people that get !@#$%^&* done.. its not the 'mature people' who develop anything WORTH WHILE. its not the 'mature' people who make this game fun..

 

 

so for all you !@#$%^&*ing 'mature' people who claim to run subspace, you suck my balls.

Lets compare Shall We?

 

Swearing:

1: No

2: Yes

 

Proper Grammar

1: Yes

2: No

 

Proper Spelling:

1: Yes

2: No

 

Constant Flaming:

1: No

2: Yes

 

Shows Any Maturity:

1: Yes

2: No

 

JDS, just shut up

Edited August 31, 2008 by rootbear75

[X`terrania]

Here, let me explain my actions. My main reason for his removal has little to do with his move to the non-ssc biller. Here is my post on the MGB Forums, since I doubt many of you'd read it:

 

{ quoteness ]

 

As far as the non-ssc biller goes, infact I heavily encourage a non-ssc wide biller and would be more then willing to support it (financially and else wise).

 

This decision was not made without precise thought, I considered very heavily whether I should do this or not - and I believe that I have made the right choice (for the moment). Those of you that know me, know that something like this is never made with little thought.

 

Regards.

your re!@#$%^&*ed confess, that was the dumbest post i ever read.. ohhh you gota be soooo mature to have power on subspace!!!

 

look at you, you fruit, you post like your top !@#$%^&*.. your not mature, your just a stuck up fool who thinks he's going somewhere, look the gun down the barel and smarten up, subspace isnt goona be run by you mature.. people forever. its not the 'mature' people that get !@#$%^&* done.. its not the 'mature people' who develop anything WORTH WHILE. its not the 'mature' people who make this game fun..

 

 

so for all you !@#$%^&*ing 'mature' people who claim to run subspace, you suck my balls.

Lets compare Shall We?

 

Swearing:

1: No

2: Yes

 

Proper Grammar

1: Yes

2: No

 

Proper Spelling:

1: Yes

2: No

 

Constant Flaming:

1: No

2: Yes

 

Shows Any Maturity:

1: Yes

2: No

 

JDS, just shut up

 

Don't start.