Knight Posted June 10, 2008 Report Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Can't say I didn't see that coming. Childish antics. Get back on topic before akai hurts himself. *hugs* Edited June 10, 2008 by Knight
»Lynx Posted June 10, 2008 Report Posted June 10, 2008 There could be many theories created as to why these forums have been made, why Aceflyer seems to be running the show, what their actual need its... However, if you go to the source and if any of these theories are true, the forums will become redundant within a month or two, and forgotten about. I personally think it's about time this thread dies, and something useful is put to all of this wasted time. Ps. Long posts aren't cool when they could have been summed up in two lines, Knight. :/ -Lynx Knights post, in condensed, so you don't have to read the stuff that isn't of any use to anybody:Spoiler! --Click here to view--Hacks/Cheats:It has been made quite clear that discussion of "bugs" will not be discussed. Public events/developement projects: (mainly in refrence to the cross-zone event)In that regard, the cross-zone event has barely been scratched as to the method of it being done, letalone everyone who will hop on the bandwagon or contribute to it. Location:It's been stated quite a few times, but seeing as people only read a few posts before commenting,the simplistic reason of us not being hosted at ssfn (this forum) is because of some political standpoint. Creation of the forum:Simply to compliment the large number (or so it seems) of in-game admin-type chats alreadyavailable to most sysops. Access to it?I'll leave that to BG and those good folks to decide. Why should you care?You shouldn't.
»Ceiu Posted June 10, 2008 Report Posted June 10, 2008 Ugh... every time I read this thread, it becomes more stupid and the idea even more pointless. The !@#$%^&*? Ok, let's recap so you guys can correct me if I'm wrong anywhere:- Thanks to the actions taken by various people, the forums require registration to even read, meaning the "public" area is now doubly pointless.- The forums purpose is to help cross-zone collaboration, and will not have super sensitive stuffs but still needs to be private for some other silly reason.- SSForum won't be used because of some bull!@#$%^&* political pissing match.- Ace is about as good with words as Losa is with parenting (and he's representing the SSC in some capacity. !@#$%^&*ing epic).- Knight needs responding to. Starting from the top:Thanks to the actions taken by various people, the forums require registration to even read, meaning the "public" area is now doubly pointless.I know I've said this countless times, but jesus !@#$%^&* the people who need to understand this never do: The public portion of your forums are !@#$%^&*ING POINTLESS and, sadly, the entire grounds for this thread. Let's just accept the fact that it's a bonus feature and not focus on it's existence. Ever. The forums purpose is to help cross-zone collaboration, and will not have super sensitive stuffs but still needs to be private for some other silly reason.From what I understand from Ace and Mistar Gokuuuuuuu, the private sector will largely exist so the people in the super secret all-boys club (lawl) have a place to talk about issues that are sensitive, but not super sensitive. This basically means jolly jack !@#$%^&*, since most sysops have nothing worth talking about that needs to stay public -- and you can !@#$%^&*in quote me on that. {Edit: That last public should be private. kekekeke ^_^} On top of that, the bit brain mentioned is hardly getting the attention it deserves: You guys are excluding the people who would likely help you out the most: Developers. Do you honestly think the average sysop is both knowledgeable and active enough to not only SEE cheaters but figure out how they're doing what they're doing? How many can setup bots/modules/sites/etc. to run the events you guys are planning? How many can do ANYTHING aside from brainstorming and sharing ban lists? Since I'm amazing at coming up with metaphors: The people you are including by default are basically project managers. Have fun getting !@#$%^&* accomplished if you keep excluding guys like Thunderjam who are willing to be party to this and have the talent. Also, gg breaking your own rules by including ePals who don't fit the bill. Nothing says "professional" like excluding the most qualified in favor of the least. SSForum won't be used because of some bull!@#$%^&* political pissing match.This is really getting on my nerves. You guys don't need uber god powers over the entire forums to be effective. Ideally, there should be a private forum setup here that you guys have full moderator l33tness over. What more could you possibly need out of the forums that it's worth splitting the community (even at a private level)? Ace is about as good with words as Losa is with parenting (and he's representing the SSC in some capacity. !@#$%^&*ing epic).For your own good Ace (and the good of the SSC), shut the !@#$%^&* up. Thank you. Knight needs responding to.I agree 100% with your bit on cheating -- especially if said cheat is relatively easy to accomplish. This is probably the best reason to have a private sector in the first place. However, I don't agree with the planning part. I've found that if you start discussing a plan publicly, you can get public opinion as you build up so you can gauge whether or not it will be accepted or if you'll need to make changes before you get too far along. The general public plays this game far more than we do; to completely exclude them from development planning (at ANY level) is re!@#$%^&*ed. Now, as far as your bit about how I respond to most things: What is there to fix here? Everything I have and would suggest to them has and would be shot down due to political garbage. In most cases like this, the !@#$%^&*gots in charge would much rather saw off their own thumbs than give up any hint of power to make something work -- even if it would improve every !@#$%^&*ing aspect of their plan. Also, I'm an !@#$%^&*hole. But since you asked, here's what I'd do: Perma-silence Ace, ditch the off-site forums, create a private forum here that is accessible to those in the group and even setup someone so they are able to administer the group and moderate the forum. Holy !@#$%^&*! It's the same !@#$%^&*ing setup, except your public forum is already populated and exists and there's no power struggle. If there's something I'm missing, feel free to explain to me how using these forums is a bad thing . That said... !@#$%^&* you guys. I'm out.
Knight Posted June 10, 2008 Report Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) Since I'm not going to argue the matters that have been rehashed 25 times over. I'll just respond to the part that is ether directed at me, or I can comment on. First, yes, I believe the developers can and probably would be a good help to _some_ of the things discussed on the forums. That being said, maybe there is some middle-ground to what developers could have access to. But isn't there already a developement board here? !@#$%^&* isn't there one for every specific form of a developement project too This place under my impression is simply to help SSC Sysops, and "leaders" (to be as generic as possible because I don't care about the access list) to communicate better. If it ends up serving no real purpose. Then no harm done. If it gets used and is helpful, then all the better for us. In the end, why is this such a big deal? O.o The political is simple. The council does not have any sort of direct input or authority over the sites and forums involved in our Web Community, nor will in the future. We are our own en!@#$%^&*y, and run as such. The community accepts us this way, as a toltarion (sp?) society where we do as we please, and noone has any say against such. We do as we feel is right, and so far, everyone is happy with the choices we have made over the past 6+yrs w/ Subspace.net, SSForum.net, SSCentral.com, SSQuotes, SSDownloads, etc. Granted SSDownloads has parted ways from our centralized group, but Testtube has made moves to rejoin and work with us again. In reality, there is the Subspace Central Billing council, and our Subspace Central Community council. Edit: Note that I don't mean this in a harsh way, as there is a few who have input, but that is on a personal choice level, not council wide. This is for cerium, incase you missed the "political" reasonings behind it. I don't really think it's up for debate either. But that has never stopped anyone before. Edited June 10, 2008 by Knight
ThunderJam Posted June 11, 2008 Report Posted June 11, 2008 Knight when im talking bout getting access as a devver, i basically mean for the people that easily could be sysop in several places, but basically choose to stay free, and go from place to place contributing. I get offered staff lots of places, but dont like hankering down at one place, becuz then they usually don't like me contributing to others... Know what i mean? Not just every devver, but us people that have the ability of most big zone sysops, but choose to not stick to one zone.
Knight Posted June 11, 2008 Report Posted June 11, 2008 But their we are back into the grey area of access guidelines, and people like... oo this entire topic voice their opinions. I'm not against developers having access (atleast skilled ones)... but there is even a limit to that. We need clear cut guidelines BEFORE we start making exceptions, let's see how the forum goes before we try to ratify it for the future. Most people on this topic generally seem to think it's a bad idea. Atleast thats my take. Just let it develope a bit before we start over-complicating anything.
ThunderJam Posted June 11, 2008 Report Posted June 11, 2008 Knight maybe a way to determine if a developer gets in, is ask the people already qualified on the forum, about the specific person. That way if the developer has a wide spread reputation, enough forum members would know him and theoretically vote him in. Im just saying, look at me. Ive owned a SSC zone before, I will be owning a SSC zone again, I have sysoped SSC zones, and i have public contributions to about half the zones on ssc. First off, I can probly provide more insight than many of the lower ppl on the forum, and second, much stuff that is discussed, is probably worth reputable developers being aware of in addition to syops being aware of.
»Lynx Posted June 11, 2008 Report Posted June 11, 2008 Knight maybe a way to determine if a developer gets in, is ask the people already qualified on the forum, about the specific person. That way if the developer has a wide spread reputation, enough forum members would know him and theoretically vote him in. Im just saying, look at me. Ive owned a SSC zone before, I will be owning a SSC zone again, I have sysoped SSC zones, and i have public contributions to about half the zones on ssc. First off, I can probly provide more insight than many of the lower ppl on the forum, and second, much stuff that is discussed, is probably worth reputable developers being aware of in addition to syops being aware of. I completely agree with this notion, but I'm very doubtful to whether it will ever come into practice. -Lynx
Samapico Posted June 11, 2008 Report Posted June 11, 2008 Knight maybe a way to determine if a developer gets in, is ask the people already qualified on the forum, about the specific person. That way if the developer has a wide spread reputation, enough forum members would know him and theoretically vote him in. Im just saying, look at me. Ive owned a SSC zone before, I will be owning a SSC zone again, I have sysoped SSC zones, and i have public contributions to about half the zones on ssc. First off, I can probly provide more insight than many of the lower ppl on the forum, and second, much stuff that is discussed, is probably worth reputable developers being aware of in addition to syops being aware of."Reputation", aka how people like you, should not be a determining factor, imo. Contributions, however, is something different.
MikeTheNose Posted June 11, 2008 Report Posted June 11, 2008 As an SSC rep I request that this post be closed. The purpose of this post has been expressed. Thanks.
»Swift Posted June 18, 2008 Report Posted June 18, 2008 As the owner I have the right to open and make a post in something I totally missed out on. I say let SSCouncil.Com do what they wish, !@#$%^&* I still own it at the moment until I give it over to Wonderer (sorry I havent yet by the way) but by all means let them do what they wish. I care not, only thing anyone should say about the matter is HEY cool, check it out!! It's something new to see. Isntead of all the negative gay-bashing going on. So everyone get off your high horse shut the !@#$%^&* up, pull your e-peen out of your ear and listen for a moment. It's a !@#$%^&*ing game and a web site. Grow Up. People make decisions and things are created big deal. It won't take anything away from anyone elses time, money or space. Let things be. Have a great day!
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