SubSpace Operators Forum

[Sketter]

BlueGoku,

I respect that.

And in a way i do feel the forums will and can be productive.

 

But I feel there is further more that can be done to connect the disconnection, and create more of a union, then a "your in that group, I'm in this group."

 

I totally understand what your saying Blue, but I'm wondering if you or ace is understanding what I'm saying.

 

 

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a private section.

I'm saying this can go to a different higher level.

 

By having the forums is a great step to get all of us talking. That's great. The next step would be involving the public. And i think that is where our views strongly differ, because perhaps we see the forums being used differently.

You see it as a run of the mill sysop forum priv chat, uped a notch to included zone sysops, server admins, and what not.

I see it as the potential to be that, and a bit more.

I think progress should be open and viewed.

A very good example is the "Cross Zone Events" thread, should be shared. You posted here on these forums, but focus was dreadful, but now you have some.

 

No, not all topics need to be seen by everyone, but that is for the more restricted area.

 

I think the forums is great, but i think there is a way to make it a bit better, so everyone, in every aspect of the game, can contribute.

These forums are hosted on SSC's website, it is now directly affiliated with this game as a hole, and should represent so.

 

 

As to compete with ssforums..... shouldn't be seen like that, but from my standpoint...you officially have two official forums representing SSC and this game..when it should be 1. The other(s) should be a fan site/forums.

 

By deciding to to do this on on another forum, in a way, makes things messy.

 

 

BTW

I think what your initial thoughts of the forums have now become something else. And i believe the intent is right, but the wording your using is off, and therefor making others feel your selection has become favor picking.

 

Sketter

I love you to ADT!

Edited June 9, 2008 by Sketter

[Testtube]

The concept of the forum is fine the place at which its located is fine. I think there are a couple of things that could use some tweaking As far as who has access and who doesn't And when you come to a conclusion as to who should and who shouldn't stick to that and dont deviate.

[Aceflyer]

The concept of the forum is fine the place at which its located is fine. I think there are a couple of things that could use some tweaking As far as who has access and who doesn't And when you come to a conclusion as to who should and who shouldn't stick to that and dont deviate.

 

BlueGoku and I have, as far as I can tell, been consistent from the beginning about who should and shouldn't have access. However, your and others' opinion about the "Game VIP" category has been noted, and we are continuing to discuss this issue to try and work out a final solution that is fair and acceptable to all. In the meantime, the "Game VIP" category has been locked to new members. Do you think this is acceptable?

[Testtube]

Thats fine. I just wished this could have been advoided in the first place. Excluding groups of people tend to upset them. setting up some guidelines and then making exceptions for some and not others makes things look even more flaky. This is on the council website and should represent the people that are a part of it. Thus not something that is thrown together just to get it up.

 

I feel that this is a good idea I dont mind that its not !@#$%^&*ociated with these forums. I only feel that the official Launch could have been done better. I am pretty much done with my Rant since this is now in the past.

[Aceflyer]

Thats fine. I just wished this could have been advoided in the first place. Excluding groups of people tend to upset them. setting up some guidelines and then making exceptions for some and not others makes things look even more flaky. This is on the council website and should represent the people that are a part of it. Thus not something that is thrown together just to get it up.

 

I feel that this is a good idea I dont mind that its not !@#$%^&*ociated with these forums. I only feel that the official Launch could have been done better. I am pretty much done with my Rant since this is now in the past.

 

I agree Testtube. At this point though we can only work to make it better.

[Samapico]

Some thoughts that came to my mind while reading the replies:

 

-Brain brought a good point about dev people being more knowledgeable when it comes to hacks and such

-Like I said, and someone else did too, like every zone forum, it has a staff forum... However, I suggest that most discussions should happen in the public discussion board to gather player advice and such. Only some more sensitive issues should be discussed in private... and even then, a summary once in a while of what was discussed, decisions taken, etc. should be made in the public section. Even if the issue is very sensitive, like 'how to deal with hack X', you could summarize it with 'we discussed on how to deal with some hack.'

Hmm, well Sketter's post went pretty much in the same direction as this

A very good example is the "Cross Zone Events" thread, should be shared. You posted here on these forums, but focus was dreadful, but now you have some.

 

So yeah...

Basically, don't split it with what the players need to view and what they don't need to; split it with what they 'CAN' see, and what they CAN'T see. Even if players don't give a !@#$%^&* about a specific issue, as long as it's not sensitive like something about hacks or bans, they 'can' view it, and it should be public. However, make sure to put a warning that the topics will be moderated, anything offtopic would be sent to the shredder

[BlueGoku]

Just a quick word about the Council in regards to Animate Dreams (incorrect) statement: I've been on it for a few years now and I have nothing bad to say about it. We've been able to get some pretty positive changes made, such as the addition of more billing ops (which I'll probably have to bring up for discussion again) and structure changes, the addition of banG ops and development of a proper ban dispute system, among others. Can't speak for everyone else, but based on our discussions and based on our in game chat, no one currently on the Council is there against his better judgment. I think the last Council member that didn't think too positively of the Council was Ekted, and he retired from it a while back. Furthermore, from what I can tell he was mostly frustrated with Priitk as opposed to the Council itself.

[»1587200]

If you want the public to have a better opinion of the council, then maybe you should appoint someone who doesn't like you, to balance out? (just thinking aloud here, and no I'm not hinting towards me either). Or possibly change the function/focus of the biller/council (ie, allow all zone's access to the biller and be the actual central scoring system for the game, instead of the scoring system for a zones that are "good enough" (And don't give me that "security" excuse again, it's total B.S.) Or have ops who actually respond and talk to people outside of the mailing list and hidden forum).

 

I think the last Council member that didn't think too positively of the Council was Ekted

PlatinumHalo anyone? Edited June 10, 2008 by Guest

[»Lynx]

BlueGoku,

I respect that.

And in a way i do feel the forums will and can be productive.

 

But I feel there is further more that can be done to connect the disconnection, and create more of a union, then a "your in that group, I'm in this group."

 

I totally understand what your saying Blue, but I'm wondering if you or ace is understanding what I'm saying.

 

 

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a private section.

I'm saying this can go to a different higher level.

 

What, like SSForum.net?

 

By having the forums is a great step to get all of us talking. That's great. The next step would be involving the public. And i think that is where our views strongly differ, because perhaps we see the forums being used differently.

You see it as a run of the mill sysop forum priv chat, uped a notch to included zone sysops, server admins, and what not.

I see it as the potential to be that, and a bit more.

I think progress should be open and viewed.

A very good example is the "Cross Zone Events" thread, should be shared. You posted here on these forums, but focus was dreadful, but now you have some.

 

I tried adding input, but was accused of overcomplicating things, like you saw. It seems BlueGoku has his methods set in stone, it's just when he's going to run the next event that is holding the problem. :/

 

No, not all topics need to be seen by everyone, but that is for the more restricted area.

 

I think the forums is great, but i think there is a way to make it a bit better, so everyone, in every aspect of the game, can contribute.

These forums are hosted on SSC's website, it is now directly affiliated with this game as a hole, and should represent so.

 

I think that it being private to whom it concerns is good enough, it's not there for public discussion, it's there for zone owners to talk about possible issues (if any do occur), otherwise, may as well be redundant. If development issues do arise, and projects can actually get past, or near the planning stage, then they should be posted publicly.

 

As admittance to the forums (For players who do not have SysOp status in an SSC zone) has been, and should still be judged on a case-by-case method, anybody who can contribute something, should be enlisted onto the forums. The only reason cases should be denied is if the person has a "bad record" - otherwise, they should be allowed to freely join. I see no reason to not allow people to join, as this is a free, dying, old game, and each person who does actually give a !@#$%^&*, should be rewarded.

 

This probably would not have been even a slight issue if Aceflyer hadn't posted this topic which would have obviously attracted flaming, and would have been a much smoother project if each player was requested privately. It's not hard to find those who do develop, and private forms help prevent the trolls.

 

Furthermore, there's no stopping anybody from requesting SSC !@#$%^&*istance, or any other form of !@#$%^&*istance on SSForum.net, from what I can see, this is still a much more popular forum, with many more hits every day.

 

Cheers,

 

-Lynx

[BlueGoku]

[»D1st0rt]

I think one of the problems here is perception. Even if (as you continually assert) you aren't trying to make this some kind of cool kids club, that's the way it's coming off. Rolling in here and making a big announcement "Hey we're starting these cool new forums that practically none of you can really join, check it out!" contributes.

 

Oh I don't know this person but apparently somebody is on the board under 'Game VIP' status who was justified as "a close friend of Ghost Ship"

[Aceflyer]

As I've noted earlier, my original post was defective. I later edited it to the following:

 

A new forum has been added at SSCouncil.com to address several needs.

 

The purpose of this new forum is to provide an easy, centralized way for regular players to ask the SSC members and other SysOps questions and for other general discussion about the SSC. For all general forum needs, including general ban/netban disputes, SSForum.net is still the place to go. This new forum is not meant to serve as a ban disputes board.

 

This new forum will hopefully help resolve some players' concerns about the SSC by facilitating legitimate player/SSC communications. It will hopefully also help improve Continuum in general.

 

And so while obviously in retrospect I shouldn't have started the topic at all, at the time it seemed like a good idea to get the word out on this new resource.

Edited June 10, 2008 by Aceflyer

[Samapico]

Maybe it simply was not advertised the way it should have been, but even if most players can't join it, I think it's somewhat re!@#$%^&*uring for a player to know that the SSC is making efforts to improve internal communication, as well as external communications with zone owners, sysops, players in general.

They might not have made all the right choices to reach their goal, but their intention is pretty clear, and will obviously adjust themselves accordingly.

[Steigerwald]

Please try to include rather than exclude people, after all a community is what made the game what it once was, and from what I've heard the forum is on the ssc website because of ridiculous reasons. Please people put personal sides apart and think about how many people are being affected because if you dont, you wont have any zones to exercise your power over in the long run, thus making subspace/continuum obsolete. Put your differences/ personal vendettas aside and work together(with the community) towards making the game better and not putting more power in your pocket. Sooner or later you will have no power and nothing to show for. Some of us actually enjoy this game every now and then and wish that you don't ruin it for us and the new players. Edited June 10, 2008 by Steigerwald

[ThunderJam]

As a reference point, ill ask you point blank, would i get in? (I havnt bothered to register on it to find out)

 

Probably not, I'd think, although that is not set in stone.

Don't take this like im furious about not getting in, cuz like i said, i hadnt even bothered to try registering, but...

 

I'm kinda taken aback that you think you are so far above me ace. As far as I am aware, i have a better rapport with a larger number of people than you do. If were going to look at this from a dev perspective, i have tilesets or maps or "clear" (meaning not some miniscule addition) contributions in the majority of zones on ssc (eg, t3g, fusion, chaos, ds, halo, mk, rs, etc). Im pretty sure my reputation is solid among anyone who knows me. The difference between you and me? Ok you've been webmaster for a few sites, call that even with my zone contributions? Whats left? The fact that you sysop in a zone with no population? =/

 

Pointing out the flaws in the requirements... Theres plenty of ppl who aint sysops, who are going to have much higher reputations than small zone sysops. By your standards, a new sysop to say, Mystic Kingdom, gets instant access. MK has been dead for a year now? So that person would get access and I wouldnt? Even though ive been in the public development realm for... 4 years?

 

Seems to me, a few years of public development would make someone just as knowledgeable to be able to sensibly contribute to these cross-zone, informational sort of topics you suggest are taking place on this forum. Does this not ring true at all?

[Steigerwald]

Not all SSC really think (someone) should run the forums. So dont bash them for future reference.

[X`terrania]

What ThunderJam said is right, and from what I've seen Ace relies on other people to manage the websites he's "working" on.

[Knight]

Disclaimer - For those of you who don't frequent the MG boards, or talk to me in-game.

My literacy is of a horrid nature. I use way to many commas, and my wireless keyboard doubles

letters, and in some cases moves them a few spaces. Quite ghostly. So if you want to degrade my

post based on the grammatical correctness, it's your choice, but heh, I doubt I'll change it or care.

 

Well, time to post I suppose. I've been avoiding replying because whenever my name gets tagged

onto something it tends to only go south in terms of reputation. Sorry folks. On that note, this is

just my take on it, seeing as I havn't spoken to BG or Ace, or any of the SSC admins involved in

running the show. Also note, like all my posts, this is long as !@#$%^&*. So skip everything but that last

one if you arn't interested.

 

Hacks/Cheats:

It has been made quite clear that discussion of how to cheat/hacker , or cause glitches, errors, or

subgame "bugs" will not be discussed. Simply because lack of publication tends to be one of the

biggest deterences to anything bad actually happening. It's always been a general SSC policy not to

publicise how people cheat.

So for whoever on these forums said that developers/programmers should get access based on their

experiences with the "quirks" of subgame... that is not the intent. For generalised methods of

preventing cheats... It has been brought up of more secure methods of dealing with some issues...

zone sysops can easily p!@#$%^&* on messages from the developers to the forums. Or more then probably

know of it if it's been implimented in their zone. Most of the developers could potentially help however,

that's not my call.

 

Public events/developement projects: (mainly in refrence to the cross-zone event)

I personally see the "SSC Forum" (as I believe that is the new name) as more of a stop-gap measure

before publicising anything. It's not ment to create a closed-gated developement process of anything.

But before anything is made public, is it not better to have the people who inevitably will give it the

"okay" (atleast in this refrence) to do so before getting peoples hopes up? I'm not saying it'll be the

end all-be all of decision making. !@#$%^&*, I doubt many people on the forum have much say in anything

biller-wide. This just helps anything that can be done through other means, get done easier.

Just a tool for communication.

In that regard, the cross-zone event has barely been scratched as to the method of it being done, let

alone everyone who will hop on the bandwagon or contribute to it. I'm under the impression though,

that once we have some basic understanding of if it will actually be done, who is going to be involved,

and what zones. Let alone how it is managed... it will be publicised for public developement, input, and

opinions.

 

Location:

It's been stated quite a few times, but seeing as people only read a few posts before commenting,

the simplistic reason of us not being hosted at ssfn (this forum) is because of some political stan

point. I havn't been told what it is. Seeing as this is not an attempt to drag population from ssfn,

nore try to compete with it. Location is pretty well a mute point, nore is anyone required to register to

the forums. If anything is every publicised of developemental relations, or public opinion, I'm pretty

sure it'll make it's way over to ssfn for a larger more diverse input anyways. This just helps the zone

administration and their ilk to access information. It's all political folks.

 

Creation of the forum:

Simply to compliment the large number (or so it seems) of in-game admin-type chats already

available to most sysops. This method simply allows people who arn't on the same time-frame as

others, or who are newer (like aceflyer, for instance) to learn from more experienced folks (like hoch).

Being new shouldn't negate your chance of getting access when running a zone. It should be a positive

notch on the perverbial belt. They could do with the most help in running their zone, or asking for

!@#$%^&*istance in issues.

 

Access to it?

This could have gone alot better. Having clear-cut guidelines would have been the best bet from the

begining, but it's been handled pretty well, and considering the administration of the board is still

taking input should go a long way in showing that they are trying to make the best of it. As for who and

why, I'll leave that to BG and those good folks to decide. Frankly I'm not suprised people are upset

about a closed-access forum system. But at the same time, if anything sensitive is discussed there.

I think there should be a limitation to what gets put into the publics view. Let alone re!@#$%^&*urance to the

people who have access to know they can talk freely about problematic people/issues, without being

attacked by those people, or about those issues.

As for why a smaller zone would get access to something like this... I don't even see why this got

brought up by someone. Why would a smaller/no population zone need access? Because they have

no population! If this forum is to freely help spread information, then perhaps these newer sysops

can learn from the veteran administration in better ways of drawing population from no where, or how

to handle issues within their zone with better effeciency.

 

Why Ace?

Heh, although it seems like a whole power-play by aceflyer I somehow doubt that was the case, but

who am I to say that, I don't know what the guy is thinking. Personally I don't care what his

motivations are either. Atleast he's motivated and doing something towards helping the community,

or !@#$%^&*, even helping a small handful of people. (for those who coninue to believe this is just another

attempt at segregating the players from administration). In the end it's all about personal opinions

about ace or his method of advertisement. Perhaps it could have gone another way. The guy has

apologised enough. Cut him some slack already.

 

Cerium:

Sorry for singling you out, but every time you post it seems to be some way of saying it won't work,

instead of you finding methods to help out. If you don't like it, take your own advice and move on.

Albiet your at!@#$%^&*ude is helpful for developemental purpose, and bug squashing. Nothing is ever

perfect from the begining. Let them solve some issues before you start nit-picking everything

anyone has done. Not everyone is perfect. Atleast they are trying

 

Why should you care?

Stop trying to find reasons to hate it. There are alot of issues that need to be resolved perminently.

However if your sole motivation behind hating a forum you never need to visit is because you never

need to visit it... You need to just move along I honestly don't see why this is such a big issue to

most people. If you don't like it, then don't bother with it and let it go. If you think it's such a bad

idea in general. It will die, and you won't have lost any sleep over it. Give the administration

some time to work out the bugs, and come up with some perverbial iron-fisted method of guidelines

to manage it. Nothing in SS has ever been done with no glitches.

Edited June 10, 2008 by Knight

[Hakaku]

And in conclusion: This thread is getting absolutely no where.

[PoLiX]

The political is simple.

 

The council does not have any sort of direct input or authority over the sites and forums involved in our Web Community, nor will in the future. We are our own en!@#$%^&*y, and run as such. The community accepts us this way, as a toltarion (sp?) society where we do as we please, and noone has any say against such. We do as we feel is right, and so far, everyone is happy with the choices we have made over the past 6+yrs w/ Subspace.net, SSForum.net, SSCentral.com, SSQuotes, SSDownloads, etc. Granted SSDownloads has parted ways from our centralized group, but Testtube has made moves to rejoin and work with us again.

 

In reality, there is the Subspace Central Billing council, and our Subspace Central Community council.

 

Edit: Note that I don't mean this in a harsh way, as there is a few who have input, but that is on a personal choice level, not council wide.

[X`terrania]

Hacks/Cheats:

It has been made quite clear that discussion of how to cheat/hacker , or cause glitches, errors, or

subgame "bugs" will not be discussed. Simply because lack of publication tends to be one of the

biggest deterences to anything bad actually happening. It's always been a general SSC policy not to

publicise how people cheat.

So for whoever on these forums said that developers/programmers should get access based on their

experiences with the "quirks" of subgame... that is not the intent. For generalised methods of

preventing cheats... It has been brought up of more secure methods of dealing with some issues...

zone sysops can easily p!@#$%^&* on messages from the developers to the forums. Or more then probably

know of it if it's been implimented in their zone. Most of the developers could potentially help however,

that's not my call.

 

knight's post tl;dr, however i did read about the hacks/cheat area because that does interest me greatly.

so far nearly every single program that can alter continuum greatly has only been publically released by people who were abused by a sysop/netbanned unfairly, etc, the guy who did gashi and the guy who publicly released ways on using cheat engine to their advantage were both netbanned quite awhile ago for re!@#$%^&*ed reasons, mostly from some bang op who had to flex his muscles. maybe if we didn't have power-tripping people then we wouldn't even be discussing this.

[Testtube]

One thing that makes me happy is seeing the activity amongst the council increase and the amount of work done by them increase. Much to the credit of Blue And hoch And i think with the addition of freakmonger i think more will get done in the near future.

[FoRsaKeNplus]

Long post

Spoiler! --Click here to view--

Disclaimer - For those of you who don't frequent the MG boards, or talk to me in-game.

My literacy is of a horrid nature. I use way to many commas, and my wireless keyboard doubles

letters, and in some cases moves them a few spaces. Quite ghostly. So if you want to degrade my

post based on the grammatical correctness, it's your choice, but heh, I doubt I'll change it or care.

 

Well, time to post I suppose. I've been avoiding replying because whenever my name gets tagged

onto something it tends to only go south in terms of reputation. Sorry folks. On that note, this is

just my take on it, seeing as I havn't spoken to BG or Ace, or any of the SSC admins involved in

running the show. Also note, like all my posts, this is long as !@#$%^&*. So skip everything but that last

one if you arn't interested.

 

Hacks/Cheats:

It has been made quite clear that discussion of how to cheat/hacker , or cause glitches, errors, or

subgame "bugs" will not be discussed. Simply because lack of publication tends to be one of the

biggest deterences to anything bad actually happening. It's always been a general SSC policy not to

publicise how people cheat.

So for whoever on these forums said that developers/programmers should get access based on their

experiences with the "quirks" of subgame... that is not the intent. For generalised methods of

preventing cheats... It has been brought up of more secure methods of dealing with some issues...

zone sysops can easily p!@#$%^&* on messages from the developers to the forums. Or more then probably

know of it if it's been implimented in their zone. Most of the developers could potentially help however,

that's not my call.

 

Public events/developement projects: (mainly in refrence to the cross-zone event)

I personally see the "SSC Forum" (as I believe that is the new name) as more of a stop-gap measure

before publicising anything. It's not ment to create a closed-gated developement process of anything.

But before anything is made public, is it not better to have the people who inevitably will give it the

"okay" (atleast in this refrence) to do so before getting peoples hopes up? I'm not saying it'll be the

end all-be all of decision making. !@#$%^&*, I doubt many people on the forum have much say in anything

biller-wide. This just helps anything that can be done through other means, get done easier.

Just a tool for communication.

In that regard, the cross-zone event has barely been scratched as to the method of it being done, let

alone everyone who will hop on the bandwagon or contribute to it. I'm under the impression though,

that once we have some basic understanding of if it will actually be done, who is going to be involved,

and what zones. Let alone how it is managed... it will be publicised for public developement, input, and

opinions.

 

Location:

It's been stated quite a few times, but seeing as people only read a few posts before commenting,

the simplistic reason of us not being hosted at ssfn (this forum) is because of some political stan

point. I havn't been told what it is. Seeing as this is not an attempt to drag population from ssfn,

nore try to compete with it. Location is pretty well a mute point, nore is anyone required to register to

the forums. If anything is every publicised of developemental relations, or public opinion, I'm pretty

sure it'll make it's way over to ssfn for a larger more diverse input anyways. This just helps the zone

administration and their ilk to access information. It's all political folks.

 

Creation of the forum:

Simply to compliment the large number (or so it seems) of in-game admin-type chats already

available to most sysops. This method simply allows people who arn't on the same time-frame as

others, or who are newer (like aceflyer, for instance) to learn from more experienced folks (like hoch).

Being new shouldn't negate your chance of getting access when running a zone. It should be a positive

notch on the perverbial belt. They could do with the most help in running their zone, or asking for

!@#$%^&*istance in issues.

 

Access to it?

This could have gone alot better. Having clear-cut guidelines would have been the best bet from the

begining, but it's been handled pretty well, and considering the administration of the board is still

taking input should go a long way in showing that they are trying to make the best of it. As for who and

why, I'll leave that to BG and those good folks to decide. Frankly I'm not suprised people are upset

about a closed-access forum system. But at the same time, if anything sensitive is discussed there.

I think there should be a limitation to what gets put into the publics view. Let alone re!@#$%^&*urance to the

people who have access to know they can talk freely about problematic people/issues, without being

attacked by those people, or about those issues.

As for why a smaller zone would get access to something like this... I don't even see why this got

brought up by someone. Why would a smaller/no population zone need access? Because they have

no population! If this forum is to freely help spread information, then perhaps these newer sysops

can learn from the veteran administration in better ways of drawing population from no where, or how

to handle issues within their zone with better effeciency.

 

Why Ace?

Heh, although it seems like a whole power-play by aceflyer I somehow doubt that was the case, but

who am I to say that, I don't know what the guy is thinking. Personally I don't care what his

motivations are either. Atleast he's motivated and doing something towards helping the community,

or !@#$%^&*, even helping a small handful of people. (for those who coninue to believe this is just another

attempt at segregating the players from administration). In the end it's all about personal opinions

about ace or his method of advertisement. Perhaps it could have gone another way. The guy has

apologised enough. Cut him some slack already.

 

Cerium:

Sorry for singling you out, but every time you post it seems to be some way of saying it won't work,

instead of you finding methods to help out. If you don't like it, take your own advice and move on.

Albiet your at!@#$%^&*ude is helpful for developemental purpose, and bug squashing. Nothing is ever

perfect from the begining. Let them solve some issues before you start nit-picking everything

anyone has done. Not everyone is perfect. Atleast they are trying

 

Why should you care?

Stop trying to find reasons to hate it. There are alot of issues that need to be resolved perminently.

However if your sole motivation behind hating a forum you never need to visit is because you never

need to visit it... You need to just move along I honestly don't see why this is such a big issue to

most people. If you don't like it, then don't bother with it and let it go. If you think it's such a bad

idea in general. It will die, and you won't have lost any sleep over it. Give the administration

some time to work out the bugs, and come up with some perverbial iron-fisted method of guidelines

to manage it. Nothing in SS has ever been done with no glitches.

 

You fail to mention how you over use smiley's in your post to hide the fact that you are an arrogant, snobby, tyrant. I guess another qualification of gaining access to this forum would be not banning your own population for your own enjoyment/entertainment. This includes making polls in the staff forum asking your staff to vote to ban people because you are too re!@#$%^&*ed to use ignore.txt. You are such a hypocrite calling Cerium out like that. First of all, you don't even come up with your OWN ideas. No wonder no one in Metal Gear likes you. The only reason why you made this post is because you want more access. You have power in Metal Gear, yet you abuse it more than anyone. There are only a select few who speak of it, and I got the balls to state so. Honestly if it's anyone who doesn't deserve it --- it's you. I highly disagree that access to a forum that's supposed to help, promote information through the community gets granted to a e-Winston Churchill Canadian who can't even take responsibility for his own actions. You also degrade yourself in the zone by asking nude pictures of the females in the zone. Yes, I called you out. Truth hurts Kn|ght.

[Testtube]

lol^

[X`terrania]

Forsaken taking out the !@#$%^&*ing trash. God !@#$%^&* boy, it's about time the insiders reveal Kn|ght is a fail.