Aceflyer Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) A new forum has been added at SSCouncil.com to address several needs. The purpose of this new forum is to provide an easy, centralized way for regular players to ask the SSC members and other SysOps questions and for other general discussion about the SSC. For all general forum needs, including general ban/netban disputes, SSForum.net is still the place to go. This new forum is not meant to serve as a ban disputes board. This new forum will hopefully help resolve some players' concerns about the SSC by facilitating legitimate player/SSC communications. It will hopefully also help improve Continuum in general. Edited June 7, 2008 by Aceflyer
Dr Brain Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 What would be an example question we might have to ask the SSC members? What sort of time frame are we looking at for a response? It took them 9 weeks to approve Hyperspace's box when we got booted of SSCI. Should we have any expectation that they'll reply more quickly than that?
»Lynx Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) It's just another forum in another location of no importance. Nothing that a private Sub-form under the SSCouncil page couldn't have achieved with much better outcome, and less fascist control. -Lynx Edit: Unnecessary Edited June 6, 2008 by Lynx
Incomplete Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) Surely just using this forum would be more easier? It will then be centralized. People won't need to register to another forum so existing members of SSForum can use it. Edited June 6, 2008 by Incomplete
»Lynx Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 Yeah, then set a Member Group for that forum for any private SSC/SSC SysOps discussion. :/ -Lynx
Aceflyer Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Posted June 6, 2008 It's just another forum in another location of no importance. Nothing that a private Sub-form under the SSCouncil page couldn't have achieved with much better outcome, and less fascist control. -Lynx Intriguing. This is the same person who told me "I want in" on the SSCouncil.com forum. What would be an example question we might have to ask the SSC members? What sort of time frame are we looking at for a response? It took them 9 weeks to approve Hyperspace's box when we got booted of SSCI. Should we have any expectation that they'll reply more quickly than that? Probably.
Incomplete Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 That reply didn't leave much information...
»Lynx Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 (edited) It's just another forum in another location of no importance. Nothing that a private Sub-form under the SSCouncil page couldn't have achieved with much better outcome, and less fascist control. -Lynx Intriguing. This is the same person who told me "I want in" on the SSCouncil.com forum. Don't get me wrong here, the forums are good. However, I still think it would be much more efficient within SSForum.net - as a local point for all forums. I still do think though, that the forum serves no importance, however, it is proving to be a good place for discussion. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out. -Lynx Edited June 6, 2008 by Lynx
ThunderJam Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 Just what we need, more players scattered over more locations to further decentralize our already shrinking playerbase. Honestly, i just dont think there is any need at all for that forum.
Hakaku Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 Just what we need, more players scattered over more locations to further decentralize our already shrinking playerbase.SubSpace/Continuum has never been centralized per se, except for when VIE still ran its servers. So saying that it's the one cause for a shrinking playerbase* is missing the entire picture (were this true, then the in-game community shouldn't be affected as much as you make it seem). If you compare games like Infantry who still have a stable population and a centralized forum et al, you'll notice their online userbase is far lower than SubSpace's (keeping in mind in-game population difference).Multiple websites may not be a great thing, especially if you want more users to participate in one single location, but it does permit search engines to retrieve information over a vaster region of content, technically improving incoming traffic.
Incomplete Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 But, forums in general would be alot more fun with more people. Being centralized is obviously the best way to do this. I haven't been on the forums for too long but I remember when it was alot busier than what it is now. It was alot more fun and it made my day go faster.
»Lynx Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 That's a pretty good point Hakaku, however, if somebody clicks on the SSCouncil forum, they're going to get one post of private forum. From what I've heard, the reasons that SSCouncil Forum isn't on SSForum.net, is simply political. -Lynx
Hakaku Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 But, forums in general would be alot more fun with more people. Being centralized is obviously the best way to do this. I haven't been on the forums for too long but I remember when it was alot busier than what it is now. It was alot more fun and it made my day go faster.But how is a continuum-political forum going to improve traffic? How is it derailing traffic? -- The entire game as a whole has seen a decrease, and this will in turn affect the amount of new players joining the forum and participating. SubSpace's peak was a few years ago, and people have to stop lingering in the past. You won't gain population by trying to say everything will be in one place. At the time of the peak, there was more than one forum (most zones had their own forum and there were various general SubSpace forums and websites). There are larger factors at hand than the fact our community isn't centralized. And it all starts down with the game that PriitK refuses to update for over five years now. And I can prove this by comparing the longest running MMO: Furcadia, which counted 70,000 regular players last year alone (May*), and it's just as 2d ugly as SubSpace.
X`terrania Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 This is seriously re!@#$%^&*ed. You have a spot on ssforums for this, why the !@#$%^&* would you try and space everything out even more, Ace? You just want more power at the cost of Continuum's simplicity. Delete that forum and just stick with these ones, holy crap.
»Lynx Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 The private SysOp forums (although I am not sure if they serve any purpose being private) - are proving to be very useful. I however, understand that the reasons that they aren't on SSForum.net it's self are merely political, if they were to release the forums on SSForum.net - it would have caused unnecessary conflict. An unfortunate series of events. :/ -Lynx
Aceflyer Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Posted June 6, 2008 The private SysOp forums (although I am not sure if they serve any purpose being private) - are proving to be very useful. I however, understand that the reasons that they aren't on SSForum.net it's self are merely political, if they were to release the forums on SSForum.net - it would have caused unnecessary conflict. An unfortunate series of events. :/ -Lynx Indeed, that sums it up quite accurately. Thanks Lynx.
»1587200 Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 I however, understand that the reasons that they aren't on SSForum.net it's self are merely political, if they were to release the forums on SSForum.net - it would have caused unnecessary conflict. An unfortunate series of events. :/Like what?
Aceflyer Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Posted June 6, 2008 I do not believe the details are particularly relevant, nor do I believe it would be appropriate to publicly release and/or discuss them. Thanks Lynx.
»Ceiu Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 What the !@#$%^&* does the SSC need a forum for anyway? They're largely an inactive bunch of elitists who could give a !@#$%^&* about us (with a few exceptions, of course). They have their mailing list for anything that's super important. A new forum would largely be a waste of space. As for the lack of power here... what lack of power? One SSC member hosts* the server this site resides on and another is an administrator on the forums. The only issue that could possibly make any sense is that anything they discussed on there could be read by people who aren't SSC members (ie: other admins, etc). But, again, they've got their mailing list and they're almost entirely inactive. Nothing to see here. Move along. * If you can call it hosting. I consider it to be closer to clicking around a control panel and bragging about upgrading to software that's already been dropped by the company that owns it.
Cancer+ Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 I'm going to have to jump on the bandwagon and say that this new "forum" is a waste of time. If they want to ask an SSC member/Sysop a question...can't they just do it in game? What the !@#$%^&* do you need a forum for? Just seems redundant to me.
Aceflyer Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Posted June 6, 2008 What the !@#$%^&* does the SSC need a forum for anyway? They're largely an inactive bunch of elitists who could give a !@#$%^&* about us (with a few exceptions, of course). They have their mailing list for anything that's super important. A new forum would largely be a waste of space. The private portion of the forum is for SSC members, SSC server admins, SSC zone admins (typically zone sysops/owners), and SSC zone BanG admins to use to discuss various issues. It is meant to help facilitate cross-SSC discussion and collaboration, and it is not just for SSC members. This portion of the forum is irrelevant to most of the community. The portion that is relevant is the public portion of the forum, which is for regular players to ask the SSC members and other SysOps questions and for other general discussion about the SSC. As for the lack of power here... what lack of power? One SSC member hosts* the server this site resides on and another is an administrator on the forums. Quite correct.
»Ceiu Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 The private portion of the forum is for SSC members, SSC server admins, SSC zone admins (typically zone sysops/owners), and SSC zone BanG admins to use to discuss various issues. It is meant to help facilitate cross-SSC discussion and collaboration, and it is not just for SSC members. This portion of the forum is irrelevant to most of the community.So why bother bringing it up? Further, exactly who's !@#$%^&* are you licking that you're the representative for the SSC all of the sudden? If anyone should be their PR person, it should be me (for obvious reasons, lulz). The portion that is relevant is the public portion of the forum, which is for regular players to ask the SSC members and other SysOps questions and for other general discussion about the SSC.Apparently the apathy everyone has displayed towards this idea wasn't clear enough, so let me spell it out for ya: The public does not care, does not need to care and does not want to care about the SSC. There is only three cases where joe player will ever deal with an SSC member:(1) When disputing a ban.(2) When attempting to get biller access for the nth incarnation of a super zone.(3) Casually in the game when they're actually being useful and/or playing. These issues are already addressed quite well by the subforms here. Your forum, !@#$%^&*uming anyone wastes time to register and post, will consist entirely of a/s/l questions and general trivia bull!@#$%^&* that could be answered by anyone who's IQ is higher than their shoe size. Once again:Nothing to see here. Move along.
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