Samapico Posted May 27, 2008 Report Posted May 27, 2008 when bikers and cars are involved in an accident it is almost ALWAYS the biker's fault. you guys take up a whole !@#$%^&*ing lane as if it belongs to you, and you expect people to yield and slow down and drive behind your slow !@#$%^&*es. so, if i ever run a biker over, i honestly wouldn't care because it wouldn't be my fault. it's ridiculous... i'm always screaming out my window, swearing at them, they give me high blood pressure.... A bike is considered a vehicle and should obey the same laws as a car (yes, I'm talking about a bicycle, not a motorcycle). If there are parked cars on the right, for example, the right thing to do for a cyclist is to keep a door distance between him and the cars, so stupid people who don't look in their mirrors before opening their car door don't kill him. So in these cases, yeah, you "I can't slow down for a minute because I'll arrive 15 seconds later to work and I was just too dumb to wake up earlier" drivers will have to wait to have a clear lane to get past...Also, bicycles should not ride on the sidewalk.. many drivers seem to expect that. It's a sidewalk for a reason. I ride my bicycle in the city pretty often, and if a moron yells at me for driving on the road (a.k.a. where I should), I swear I'll take his mirror out at the next red light. Knee out, mirror down . Cause yeah, even if you saved 5 seconds acting like a moron going past me instead of waiting a few seconds, you'll have to stop at the red light just ahead.Luckily, most drivers here do understand that they have to share the road. They're not being egoist like some people...Sure, some bikers are dumb... but I haven't seen many of these. I'd love to see statistics about the bikers being 'almost always' responsible for accidents... really... Part of me hopes that you do run over a biker, possibly a child... from your own family, why not...
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 27, 2008 Report Posted May 27, 2008 ... A bike is considered a vehicle and should obey the same laws as a car (yes, I'm talking about a bicycle, not a motorcycle). If there are parked cars on the right, for example, the right thing to do for a cyclist is to keep a door distance between him and the cars, so stupid people who don't look in their mirrors before opening their car door don't kill him. So in these cases, yeah, you "I can't slow down for a minute because I'll arrive 15 seconds later to work and I was just too dumb to wake up earlier" drivers will have to wait to have a clear lane to get past...Also, bicycles should not ride on the sidewalk.. many drivers seem to expect that. It's a sidewalk for a reason. I ride my bicycle in the city pretty often, and if a moron yells at me for driving on the road (a.k.a. where I should), I swear I'll take his mirror out at the next red light. Knee out, mirror down . Cause yeah, even if you saved 5 seconds acting like a moron going past me instead of waiting a few seconds, you'll have to stop at the red light just ahead.Luckily, most drivers here do understand that they have to share the road. They're not being egoist like some people...Sure, some bikers are dumb... but I haven't seen many of these. I'd love to see statistics about the bikers being 'almost always' responsible for accidents... really... Part of me hopes that you do run over a biker, possibly a child... from your own family, why not... No, technically, a bike is not considered a vehicle. that's why they make BICYCLE LANES on certain streets. if they were the same thing, then that wouldn't be needed, now would it? it's not even about waking up early or being late... it's the fact that many of you RIDE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAR LANE AND YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE'S A HUGE BACKUP OF CARS BECAUSE OF YOU. you guys ride !@#$%^&*ing slow as !@#$%^&*... for a car to follow behind you, that is the most annoying thing ever. like i said, it's not about me being late... it's about me having to !@#$%^&*ing yield for you when i shouldn't have to. it's a CAR LANE. why shouldn't they ride on the sidewalk? it's much safer for drivers and for themselves. ride on the sidewalk and take up a small part of it... rather than riding on the street going about 5 km/hour when the car lane is meant for about 40 km/hour. that's just asking to get hit. recently, when i'm driving behind a bike and the biker seems to expect me to slow down... i don't. i speed up and rev up my engine... i ain't even playing around. and they quickly get out of the way to go on the sidewalk why do you think that you can get a ticket for driving too slow? because doing that would probably cause accidents. bikers cause accidents, you guys wanna be considered in the same category as "drivers" but you don't obey traffic laws like "drivers". i've seen bikers weeving in and out of traffic at a red-light, then when he gets to the intersection, he goes right up onto the sidewalk, just to get across, and goes back onto the street. i wish he got hit.
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 27, 2008 Report Posted May 27, 2008 so its fine to speed past when a cyclist is moving across the road to make a turn after giving more then enough time to signal to the traffic behind? here most cyclists keep as close to the curb as possible unless making a turning. There are too many idiots out there, but most in my experience obey the rules. well you live in a completely different continent. but they don't keep as close as the curb as possible in america and canada. even if you do.... the lane is made to FIT A !@#$%^&* CAR. if you take up a little part of the lane... CARS CANNOT P!@#$%^&* YOU. therefore, it's a safety hazard. drivers have to step on the !@#$%^&* brakes every 5 seconds to accomodate your dumb !@#$%^&*es, which then creates a chain reaction... hence, a potential car crash.
Dav Posted May 27, 2008 Report Posted May 27, 2008 so its fine to speed past when a cyclist is moving across the road to make a turn after giving more then enough time to signal to the traffic behind? here most cyclists keep as close to the curb as possible unless making a turning. There are too many idiots out there, but most in my experience obey the rules. well you live in a completely different continent. but they don't keep as close as the curb as possible in america and canada. even if you do.... the lane is made to FIT A !@#$%^&* CAR. if you take up a little part of the lane... CARS CANNOT P!@#$%^&* YOU. therefore, it's a safety hazard. drivers have to step on the !@#$%^&* brakes every 5 seconds to accomodate your dumb !@#$%^&*es, which then creates a chain reaction... hence, a potential car crash. if you slam on the brakes of course an accident will occur regardless of weather there is a cyclist or not. A gentle deceleration however then matching speed until a safe opportunity to p!@#$%^&* arises will not cause an accident. Yoy seem to be painting a picture of might is right here. Very true i do live on a different continent, cycling is very common here however the lower speed on roads with no cycle lanes still occurs. According to the UK highway code a cycle is a road using vehicle and therefore motorists have to treat a cycle eith the same respect as they would a car or any other road user.
Incomplete Posted May 27, 2008 Report Posted May 27, 2008 No, technically, a bike is not considered a vehicle. that's why they make BICYCLE LANES on certain streets. if they were the same thing, then that wouldn't be needed, now would it?That's wrong. It's just more efficient to have cycle lanes. If the dumb Americans / Canadians don't know that they should be cycling inside the cycle lane then that is their own fault, but that stupidity is so bad that I refuse to believe it happens that often. it's not even about waking up early or being late... it's the fact that many of you RIDE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CAR LANE AND YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT THERE'S A HUGE BACKUP OF CARS BECAUSE OF YOU. you guys ride !@#$%^&*ing slow as !@#$%^&*... for a car to follow behind you, that is the most annoying thing ever.So it's more about your annoyance than anything else? Of course cyclists are going to ride slow, it's tiring and they don't have an engine. Go figure. like i said, it's not about me being late... it's about me having to !@#$%^&*ing yield for you when i shouldn't have to. it's a CAR LANE. why shouldn't they ride on the sidewalk? it's much safer for drivers and for themselves. ride on the sidewalk and take up a small part of it... rather than riding on the street going about 5 km/hour when the car lane is meant for about 40 km/hour. that's just asking to get hit.They shouldn't ride on the sidewalk because of pedestrians, you know, those people that walk along the side of the road... And I highly doubt most bikes do 5km an hour, it would take them forever to get to work at that speed so I assume you are exaggerating. And saying they deserve to get hit is just another stupid comment. When it's someone in your family that's been run over by a selfish driver then maybe you'll realise. recently, when i'm driving behind a bike and the biker seems to expect me to slow down... i don't. i speed up and rev up my engine... i ain't even playing around. and they quickly get out of the way to go on the sidewalk why do you think that you can get a ticket for driving too slow? because doing that would probably cause accidents.This is just selfishness. I hope you get your license revoked. The road can do without drivers like this. bikers cause accidents, you guys wanna be considered in the same category as "drivers" but you don't obey traffic laws like "drivers".It sounds like you don't know the traffic laws, revving behind cyclists is just childish. i've seen bikers weeving in and out of traffic at a red-light, then when he gets to the intersection, he goes right up onto the sidewalk, just to get across, and goes back onto the street. i wish he got hit.And i'm sure that the cyclists that you rev you car to wish you had an accident.
Samapico Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 No one really knows why this topic was closed, and no reason was provided when it was closed... soooo... reopened it is. We might want to bring this back on topic though...
Incomplete Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 I don't approve of the insurance because it gives people reason to drive like idiots.
NBVegita Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 Btw Losa: "Bicyclists, in-line skaters, and motor vehicle drivers must all use and obey the same traffic laws. A motorist must recognize that a bicyclist or in-line skater has the same rights as any other motor vehicle driver. Bicyclists and skaters must obey all traffic signals, signs and pavement markings. The bicyclists must use a signal to turn on a roadway, a bike lane or bike path. The bicyclists and skaters who break the law are subject to traffic tickets. Parents are responsible for the violations committed by their children who less than the age of 18." http://www.nysdmv.com/dmvfaqs.htm#bikes "Localities often prohibit bicycling on sidewalks. However, some local ordinances do permit children to bicycle on sidewalks. For your safety and that of pedestrians, however, you should avoid busy city sidewalks whether or not restricted by law." http://www.oginski-law.com/library/bicycle-and-pedestria.cfm As much as you might hate it, they have just as much right to the road as you do. CARS CANNOT P!@#$%^&* YOU. therefore, it's a safety hazard. drivers have to step on the !@#$%^&* brakes every 5 seconds to accomodate your dumb !@#$%^&*es, which then creates a chain reaction... hence, a potential car crash. That is !@#$%^&*uming you have bad drivers. If you have patient drivers who are good drivers, no accidents will be caused. A novel idea would also be that if you're worried about getting where to need to be getting on time, leave 5-10 minutes early. On topic: I agree with Inc. We as a country drive terribly already. Since when is doing 65 mph not enough speed? Why is it difficult to do 30mph in residential areas? If anything I wish they would be more strict with the traffic laws. We need to hold people more accountable for their driving habits, not less accountable.
Samapico Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 Thanks NBV, I did some quick googling too but was too lazy to find the laws specifically.
PoLiX Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 In Seattle the ratio of Bikes to Cars on most the downtown streets is probably almost 1:2 at times. There is bicycle lanes in some areas, but otherwise, you just yield to them, plain and simple. Most the time if they're not some !@#$%^&*, they'll eventually try and move over to let you pass or if you give em room as you go around, it is considered fine.
Samapico Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 Yeah, it's a simple matter of being polite. And it goes both ways... When riding my bike, I'm usually very polite towards drivers by giving them as much room as I can without puting myself in danger, and I try to always be aware of the vehicles around/behind me. So I'm expecting the same from the drivers, to give me enough space and consider that I'm there.If a driver is being an !@#$%^&*, It will be a pleasure to block his path and possibly make some bumps on his car
X`terrania Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 Well, I'm in a pretty big city, but some !@#$%^&*holes feel the need to take their bicycles and drive down the lanes designated for cars, like we were going down a two way street before that usually takes 3 minutes to go down, but because of a biker in front of us it took at least 5-6.
NBVegita Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 Well unfortunately by law, they have every right to. At least by NYS laws, which I posted because I do seem to remember LOSA saying she was from NY.
FMBI Posted May 28, 2008 Report Posted May 28, 2008 (edited) ( a ) General rule.--Every person riding a pedalcycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle by this !@#$%^&*le, except as to special provisions in this subchapter and except as to those provisions of this !@#$%^&*le which by their nature can have no application. Same thing for Pennsylvania. So I'll assume it's the same everywhere (except for in the deep south.. there, they probably run people over for not having a pickup.) And Root, your theoretical "1 mph" point is interesting, but I have never seen anyone in PA or [south-western] NY get pulled over for doing less than 10-15 above the limit on highways. Where I used to live, there was a !@#$%^&*y cop who would get anyone 5 mph above in town, but fortunately I never had a run-in with him. To repeat myself : Drive safe, save money, avoid a possible scam.. works for me. Edited May 28, 2008 by Finland My BorgInvasion
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 (edited) never in my life have i seen a cyclist obey traffic laws like drivers. and i don't consider bikes vehicles... because they really aren't. it's just wrong to ride your bike on a car lane. because ALL cars who are caught stuck in traffic behind a bike WILL try to p!@#$%^&* it. i'm sorry but i'm not the only one who likes to drive behind a !@#$%^&* bike, taking me double the time to get where i'm supposed to be (ALSO CAUSING ME TO WASTE GAS), making me miss green lights, etc, then blocking the turning lane. the law that someone stated above is pretty stupid imo. i mean, that's like telling cyclists "go ahead, ride your bike on a 40 mile/hour zone, and disregard your affects on traffic for all the other !@#$%^&* cars on the road". AND ESPECIALLY DURING RUSH HOUR, OMG. but yea... i don't mind when cyclists notice me right away and move out of the way. but, when they realize that i'm trying to get around them and i can't, and that they're going way under the speed limit, and they continue to ride their bike slow as !@#$%^&*, that's when i get pissed. to whoever said that they'd continue to block me... LOL. i wish you'd encounter me on the road one day, honestly. i remember one guy who tried that before about 2 years ago... when i had the chance, i quickly passed him, got in front of him, then hit the brakes, the dude lost control and hit a parked car LOL. it's not worth risking your life for something so stupid that's caused by you. just simply go somewhere else and not ride on the street when you see that there's a lot of traffic. and plus, there are crazier motorists out there who will do things like SHOOT YOU WITH A GUN... that's not me but if you piss off the right person, you'd be laying on the street with a bullet through you. ------------ and i don't think speed is "dangerous" like many of you say it is. it doesn't mean that you're a terrible driver because you drive fast. if you KNOW how to drive and have common sense... you won't get into accidents. i've been driving for 4 years now... i drive over the limit every single day, almost all the time, and i've never been in an accident that was my fault. the one that i was in was a hit and run by some dude who was drugged up or something. i may drive a little fast but i'm an amazing driver. Edited May 29, 2008 by L0SA
darkhosis Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 i've been in one wreck my whole life and ive already discussed reason for that. i've gotten one speeding ticket my whole life too, that was for going 77 in a 70 zone driving through some podunk area on my way to college station tx (going to A&M from dallas). uh, it was madisonville actually. anyway, we dont really have any cyclists clogging the streets here in texas. i see maybe two or three a year, so they arent much of a problem for me. i feel for you though!
Incomplete Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 (edited) i wish you'd encounter me on the road one day, honestly. i remember one guy who tried that before about 2 years ago... when i had the chance, i quickly passed him, got in front of him, then hit the brakes, the dude lost control and hit a parked car LOL.i may drive a little fast but i'm an amazing driver.See the contradiction?You're an unsafe driver. This is more about ego than it is driving, I've been driving almost 4 years, I do 10mph over the speed limit most of the time and i have never had an accident. When it comes to cyclists or pedestrians then I obviously slow down and try to p!@#$%^&* them when I think it's safe. Not try run them over or be a pain in the !@#$%^&*, it's more about respect than boosting your ego. On the other hand if a car causes me trouble and almost causes me to have an accident that's when I get angry. But driving in the state is different than driving in the UK. I'm not sure how easy it is to p!@#$%^&* your test in the US but passing a driving test in the UK isn't easy. Edited May 29, 2008 by Incomplete
NBVegita Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 i don't consider bikes vehicles Well the law does, which in this case, is the important thing. ALSO CAUSING ME TO WASTE GAS Not a big fan of physics eh? Being caught behind a bike actually saves your gas mileage. just simply go somewhere else and not ride on the street when you see that there's a lot of traffic A bike has just as much right to be there as you do. If you know there is a street where bikers commonly ride, why don't you go around it? A detour on a bike could cost him 10 minutes or more, where as a detour for a car is only likely to delay you a few minutes. and i don't think speed is "dangerous" like many of you say it is Yet again that !@#$%^&* physics things. If you drive fast you are more likely to be in an accident. Not only is your control limited, but your braking and reaction tme both drop. Ultimately no one answered my question: Since when is the speed limit too slow? Just google one of the multiple studies that show you just how little time you save by speeding.
Incomplete Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 In short distances speeding saves you no time at all. But where I have to do 40-50 miles sometimes, it saves me possibly 30-40 minutes.
NBVegita Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 round it up to 60 miles. If you did 60 miles at 60 mi/h (!@#$%^&*uming no traffic no stopping, basically all highway) it would take you 60 minutes. If you did 60 miles at 70 mi/h (!@#$%^&*uming the same) it would take you 51.43 minutes. If you did 60 miles at mi/h (!@#$%^&*uming the same) it would take you 45 minutes. If you did 60 miles at 90 mi/h (!@#$%^&*uming the same) it would take you 40 minutes. So if you did 1 1/3 times the speed limit, over 60 miles, you're only saving 15 minutes. Which would be negated if you got pulled over for speeding. Even on your extremes, to save 30 minutes over 50 miles, !@#$%^&*uming the speed limit is only 60 mi/h, you would have to drive 150 mi/h the entire trip. To save 40 minutes over 50 miles, you would have to drive at 300 mi/h for the entire trip.
Incomplete Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 Lol I drive through low speed zones alot because it's in residentual areas. Some places even go as low as 20 mph. Maybe it's 20-30 mins. Haven't driven at the correct speed in a while. I guess I did my math wrong, i'll post how long it takes and at what speed.
NBVegita Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 lol still mathematically in order to save 20-30 minutes over 50 miles you would have to be driving a very high speed compared to the speed limit. I don't know about there, but in the suburbs around here, they'll ticket you for 33 in a 30.
Dav Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 here in the UK 33 in a 30 is about the limit, its where a speed camera will be triggerd anyway.
Incomplete Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 Yeah, they can be a !@#$%^&* here but I have a radar that tells me where they are which is pretty cool. Saying that, on the drive to my gfs house it takes 45 mins doing the speed limit, I do 10mph over the speed limit and it takes me 30 mins. This is a regular journey so i'm sure of the time.
Dav Posted May 29, 2008 Report Posted May 29, 2008 you can also save time cutting the corners on the country roads when they are quiet. Also Im guessing this is when you are not stuck behind those idiots that only ever go 40 mph regardless of the speed limit.
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