US Screwed if Obama Wins

[»D1st0rt]

Taxes are not even remotely the problem in our economy right now. In 2007 the personal income tax brought in $1,163 billion dollars, while the total spending by the government was a whopping $4.32 TRILLION. Over $250 billion of that is just going towards interest on our debt. Also, I'd have to check the numbers but I believe that if you subtract the personal income tax from the total receipts in 2007 its very close to the total including income tax in 2004. An overabundance of free credit, created by the democrats in 1995 combined with idiotic money supply management by the Federal Reserve put us where we are today.

[darkhosis]

Taxes are not even remotely the problem in our economy right now. In 2007 the personal income tax brought in $1.163 billion dollars, while the total spending by the government was a whopping $4.32 TRILLION. Over $250 billion of that is just going towards interest on our debt. Also, I'd have to check the numbers but I believe that if you subtract the personal income tax from the total receipts in 2007 its very close to the total including income tax in 2004. An overabundance of free credit, created by the democrats in 1995 combined with idiotic money supply management by the Federal Reserve put us where we are today.

say what? 1.163 billion? surely you mean't 1,163 billion, or 1.163 trillion? but even that is understating it. last figures i've seen are over 1.5 trillion, and that's some years ago.

[Aceflyer]

It wasn't a mistake on her part. That was a deliberate power play by the democratic party. Convince Bush they are behind him, then turn around and reverse opinion the minute boots hit the ground.

 

What would the Democratic Party gain by doing the above as a deliberate power play?

[Aileron]

They get to pin a war on the Republicans. I mean, the only thing McCain has going against him right now is being in the party credited with going into the war. If back in 2002 Bush had opposition from the Democratic congress and decided not to bite, this election would be over by now.

 

 

 

With regards to Iran, I do think a diplomatic solution is possible, but not as rosy of one as Astro is thinking. First off, keep in mind that as long as Iran's theocracy is in place, their country will be moving backward socially. It would be inevitable for them to eventually become hostile to somebody. Also, while Astro considers joining civilization as being a 'puppet of the US', the fact is that their lack of a democracy will severely limit their ability to deal with democratic countries in a peaceful manner. Non-democracies have historically proven to be pre-disposed to war whenever they can get away with it. They only remain peaceful if a proper balance of fear is maintained. Too much fear and they become feral, too little fear and they become aggressive.

 

Overall, I say peace with Iran is possible, though the nature and price of that peace would make war preferable !@#$%^&*uming we would have enough popular support to back it.

[Aceflyer]

They get to pin a war on the Republicans. I mean, the only thing McCain has going against him right now is being in the party credited with going into the war. If back in 2002 Bush had opposition from the Democratic congress and decided not to bite, this election would be over by now.

 

The Bush Administration, not Congressional Democrats, was the one that initially wanted and pushed the war with Iraq. McCain was also a supporter of the war. I strongly doubt that Congressional Democrats pushed the US into the current Iraq conflict.

 

With regards to Iran, I do think a diplomatic solution is possible, but not as rosy of one as Astro is thinking. First off, keep in mind that as long as Iran's theocracy is in place, their country will be moving backward socially. It would be inevitable for them to eventually become hostile to somebody. Also, while Astro considers joining civilization as being a 'puppet of the US', the fact is that their lack of a democracy will severely limit their ability to deal with democratic countries in a peaceful manner. Non-democracies have historically proven to be pre-disposed to war whenever they can get away with it. They only remain peaceful if a proper balance of fear is maintained. Too much fear and they become feral, too little fear and they become aggressive.

 

Overall, I say peace with Iran is possible, though the nature and price of that peace would make war preferable !@#$%^&*uming we would have enough popular support to back it.

 

I agree.

[»D1st0rt]

say what? 1.163 billion? surely you mean't 1,163 billion, or 1.163 trillion? but even that is understating it. last figures i've seen are over 1.5 trillion, and that's some years ago.

Whoops, good catch I thought that seemed a little ridiculous:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf (Page 35)

 

My second point is still valid.

[Aceflyer]

Taxes are not even remotely the problem in our economy right now. ... An overabundance of free credit, created by the democrats in 1995 combined with idiotic money supply management by the Federal Reserve put us where we are today.

 

I'm sure the current Iraq conflict has had a major impact on where we are today.

[»D1st0rt]

That falls under government spending which was already addressed. For your benefit, I'll say if we weren't in Iraq it would be easier to stop this deficit spending and our economy wouldn't be AS bad. Quasi-governmental and private en!@#$%^&*ies don't get a free p!@#$%^&* because of our situation in Iraq though.

[Aceflyer]

That falls under government spending which was already addressed. For your benefit, I'll say if we weren't in Iraq it would be easier to stop this deficit spending and our economy wouldn't be AS bad. Quasi-governmental and private en!@#$%^&*ies don't get a free p!@#$%^&* because of our situation in Iraq though.

 

I agree. Still, the situation in Iraq has probably contributed to high oil prices, which probably has had a major impact on at least some private en!@#$%^&*ies.

[AstroProdigy]

With regards to Iran' date=' I do think a diplomatic solution is possible, but not as rosy of one as Astro is thinking. First off, keep in mind that as long as Iran's theocracy is in place, their country will be moving backward socially. It would be inevitable for them to eventually become hostile to somebody. Also, while Astro considers joining civilization as being a 'puppet of the US', the fact is that their lack of a democracy will severely limit their ability to deal with democratic countries in a peaceful manner. Non-democracies have historically proven to be pre-disposed to war whenever they can get away with it. They only remain peaceful if a proper balance of fear is maintained. Too much fear and they become feral, too little fear and they become aggressive.

 

Overall, I say peace with Iran is possible, though the nature and price of that peace would make war preferable !@#$%^&*uming we would have enough popular support to back it.[/quote']

I disagree to an extent. We cooperate with Saudi Arabia, a more oppressive regime, without much difficulty. We do this even with the same glaring conflict of interest relating to Israel, which I would say is much more strongly ingrained in Saudi Arabia than Iran. We don't cooperate by threatening Saudi Arabia. In fact Iran would be a better example of what cooperation could bring in terms of the extension of western values since they already have a theocracy and thus cannot move towards one in rejection of the west.

[Cyb3rMonk3y]

Does anyone else think the US is screwed if Obama or Hillary become president?

 

No offence, but the us of a got screwed a while back imo..