Inaccuracies in Player Pages

[Aceflyer]

As far as I know, most of the Wiki is generally open to editing/revision by members of the community here, but any personal player page is considered to belong to the named player. Am I correct, or may anyone edit, say, Player A's page if they find an inaccuracy in it?

 

If I am correct, I feel we should have some sort of system set up where the Wiki Moderators oversee reports about inaccuracies in personal player pages. This would prevent abuse of the Wiki, because otherwise there would be no system to prevent inaccuracies or outright fabrications in those pages.

 

Comments or feedback?

 

For example (and I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular, but this was just something that caught my eye), rootbear75's page contains several inaccuracies or misleading statements:

 

> "Dragonball Z: Head Smod as the staff coordinator/trainer" with no mention of him being let go from staff there, seems to imply he is currently Head SMod at DBZ, which is incorrect AFAIK based on his own as well as L Y N X's statements to me recently.

> "Star Wars (now known as Star Wars Empire): Staffed as smod, and was demoted to mod because of inactivity. Left because of too many staff positions" seems to imply he resigned from staff because he disagreed with the staff setup in the zone. In actuality, he was let go from staff because he didn't do anything for the zone (complete inactivity).

> "Halo: Staffed for 4 days as a League Coordinator. Left because of issues with other staff members" seems to imply he resigned from staff because he didn't like his colleagues there. But the version I know says he was let go because of said issues (he didn't resign).

[Cancer+]

It is 'his' page.

 

It seems like it is really just the interpretation of the end user who is reading it more than what the person puts in it. He's not very detailed about it, but there are no rules that he has to be.

 

And if we pertain this to real life, you would never put anything bad about yourself on a resume...would you? No, you put the good things. Then they interview you and see how you are personally.

 

Really, it seems like you're splitting hairs here.

[Samapico]

Yeah, it's not like he's lying... he's just inaccurate...

 

Player pages in Category:Players are not considered to be 'owned' by the players; technically, anyone can edit it. However, changing a user's page content without his approval would be considered like vandalism. Of course, fixing typos and such is fine

[Hakaku]

I actually disagree with both Sama and Cancer+. This is a wiki, based upon Wikipedia, "an online encyclopedia where everyone is free to contribute and edit".

 

Although they have a history between them (X`terr and Root), making edits should not be considered a ban-justifiable offense. There was no sign of an edit war, and if you dislike the edits, use the "undo" feature provided in the History section and either mark the reason in the comment box, or add a comment to the "Talk" page of either that specific article or the other user's Talk page.

 

Yes, because these are player pages, it's a very touchy subject, and things are bound to become subjective. That's the primary reason why Wikipedia itself enforces a 'neutral point of view'. - On top of that, articles that are subjected to vandalism can be protected, and this wiki should also have that feature available to administrators. So there's no justifying becoming nazis and banning users over their own point of view unless they make countless number of edits that are purposely disruptive, or defamatory.

 

Sorry, but I don't have respect for those who don't abide by their own rules. For the above reason, is why I'd rather not create an article about myself.

[rootbear75]

im not inaccurate. As far as everything goes, i haven't been told what LYNX's new system of staff is, so im leaving it how it was before.

In star wars, there were multiple reasons why i left, me and ghetto did talk about it. the main reason was the fact that i had 2 staff positions, and ghetto didn't want me to have more than one. I was also let go, because he needed stuff put on Suspace news, and for 6 months, i failed to do that (mainly because i never thought that anyone ever goes to that site)

Halo: Rutrow was a !@#$%^&*bag. I quit before i was fired, (although they like to think differently) I left, because rutrow couldn't handle the fact that i "asked" one of his mods to stop spamming arena messages.

 

I don't like to use the word "fired" btw.

 

and ace, if the rule you are thinking of is put in, people are going to rape each other's pages (like Maur did to mine)

[Aceflyer]

It is 'his' page.

 

Fair enough.

 

It seems like it is really just the interpretation of the end user who is reading it more than what the person puts in it. He's not very detailed about it, but there are no rules that he has to be.

 

I don't have any problem with the amount of detail. For example, in my personal page on the Wiki, I didn't include any information on why I stopped being Webmaster at Hyperspace. I don't think that's a problem, because the important thing is that there is nothing inaccurate with what I did put there. To use our previous example, if rootbear75 had just listed his staff experience without mentioning anything about why he stopped being staff at each zone, I wouldn't have any issues with it.

 

For example, this line from rootbear75's page is, IMHO, completely fine:

 

"Desert Storm: Staffed for one month as a probo mod in the fall of 2007"

 

He didn't include any information on why he stopped being staff at Desert Storm, and I think that's fine, because what he did write (that he was a probo mod for one month there) is accurate.

 

My issue is that he seems to be misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what happened. Of course there are always different points of view about most anything, but saying you 'left' when in actuality you were 'removed' is just inarguably incorrect no matter what your point of view.

 

And if we pertain this to real life, you would never put anything bad about yourself on a resume...would you? No, you put the good things. Then they interview you and see how you are personally.

 

On a resume I'd try to portray myself as best I could while maintaining strict accuracy and sticking to the facts. I'm not going to write misleading statements just so I can make myself seem better.

 

Besides, I wasn't aware these pages were supposed to function as resumes. I thought the pages existed more to serve as a source of information on specific players.

 

If I look up a page about a specific person on Wikipedia, for example, I expect the information there to be accurate and the overall article to be objective. I don't expect articles on specific people on Wikipedia to function as those people's resumes.

[rootbear75]

i stopped being staff at DS b/c i quit on an agreement from both me a viligante

[Aceflyer]

[snipped]I don't like to use the word "fired" btw.

 

and ace, if the rule you are thinking of is put in, people are going to rape each other's pages (like Maur did to mine)

 

I never used the word 'fired' in my original post. I used the terminology 'let go'.

 

And I see no reason why the rule can't work.

 

I feel we should have some sort of system set up where the Wiki Moderators oversee reports about inaccuracies in personal player pages. This would prevent abuse of the Wiki, because otherwise there would be no system to prevent inaccuracies or outright fabrications in those pages.

 

I'm not proposing allowing everyone free reign to edit specific players' Wiki pages. I'm proposing a system for reporting inaccuracies to the Wiki Moderators, who can then decide what to do.

 

To head off one potential response: As far as the possibility of people abusing the report system and swamping the Wiki Moderators with work, that can be handled the same way people are, ah, dissuaded from abusing ?help or ?cheater commands in zones: abuse the system and get banned.

[rootbear75]

btw ace, looking at your's, no where on your page does it say "i was let go"

[Aceflyer]

btw ace, looking at your's, no where on your page does it say "i was let go"

 

How exactly is this relevant? I never said I used the terminology "let go" on my personal page at the Wiki.

Edited April 17, 2008 by Aceflyer

[Samapico]

I actually disagree with both Sama and Cancer+. This is a wiki, based upon Wikipedia, "an online encyclopedia where everyone is free to contribute and edit".

 

Although they have a history between them (X`terr and Root), making edits should not be considered a ban-justifiable offense. There was no sign of an edit war, and if you dislike the edits, use the "undo" feature provided in the History section and either mark the reason in the comment box, or add a comment to the "Talk" page of either that specific article or the other user's Talk page.

 

Yes, because these are player pages, it's a very touchy subject, and things are bound to become subjective. That's the primary reason why Wikipedia itself enforces a 'neutral point of view'. - On top of that, articles that are subjected to vandalism can be protected, and this wiki should also have that feature available to administrators. So there's no justifying becoming nazis and banning users over their own point of view unless they make countless number of edits that are purposely disruptive, or defamatory.

 

Maurauth's edits included:

 

Frequents SSCE Hyperspace, KFC, Dunkin' Donuts, SSCI Dragonball Z, McDonalds, Burger King, Wendeys and a few others.

 

...

 

Dragonball Z: Told staff members what to do for a year.

 

Star Wars (now known as Star Wars Empire): Staffed as smod, and was demoted to mod and fired due to having more qualified staff.

 

Halo: Staffed for 4 days as a League Coordinator. Left due to popular demand.

 

 

These were, indeed, disruptive and only intended to be defamatory.

I'll reword what I said earlier:

Player pages in Category:Players are not considered to be 'owned' by the players; technically, anyone can edit it. However, changing a user's page content without his approval would be considered like vandalism.

 

Of course, adding facts expressed with a neutral tone are fine... However, modifying the content to change a neutral/vague statement into a very negative one (or even very positive) is not fine; it should stay neutral and objective.

[rootbear75]

i tried to make my page neutral which is specifically the reason why i didnt put in "fired" b/c that sounds too negative

[Hakaku]

Maurauth's edits included:

 

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Although I did get them mixed up (Maur and X`terr), I still don't support this ban. It makes me feel like I'm in Tibet, where information is being repressed, until a third party comes along and makes a big scene out of it.

[CRe]

For the proposal, I will see what we can do on that. Mauraths ban was for the reasons stated above by Samapico. But not only that his page was dumb enough too. He also created 2 categories which were pretty much useless and dumb. These are definitely purposely disruptive and defamatory. They go under violation of these rules :

 

- 4. No intimidating behaviour or harr!@#$%^&*ment.

- 5. No attacking other peoples pages.

[Aceflyer]

For the proposal, I will see what we can do on that.

 

Thanks CRe>, I appreciate that.

 

Mauraths ban was for the reasons stated above by Samapico. But not only that his page was dumb enough too. He also created 2 categories which were pretty much useless and dumb. These are definitely purposely disruptive and defamatory. They go under violation of these rules :

 

- 4. No intimidating behaviour or harr!@#$%^&*ment.

- 5. No attacking other peoples pages.

 

IMHO, Maurath's ban was justified.

[»Lynx]

Who cares what people put - if they would rather people know that they left, and not got fired, then let them. It's pretty easy to see what peoples true ambitions are when you hire them anyway, if they keep asking for SOp, like rootbear does, never give it to them..

 

 

rootbear, read the above line slowly.

[X`terrania]

Might I inquire as to why I'm banned? I didn't vandalize anybody's page or anything of the sort..

[Aceflyer]

Might I inquire as to why I'm banned? I didn't vandalize anybody's page or anything of the sort..

 

 

Might I inquire as to why you're hijacking the topic I started to ask about your personal ban?

[X`terrania]

Might I inquire as to why I'm banned? I didn't vandalize anybody's page or anything of the sort..

 

 

Might I inquire as to why you're hijacking the topic I started to ask about your personal ban?

 

...!

You can have some of my junior mints

[rootbear75]

Might I inquire as to why I'm banned? I didn't vandalize anybody's page or anything of the sort..

you were banned for trying to start a flame war

[FMBI]

On the one hand, this topic is specifically geared toward Rootbear (the other personal wiki pages are horribly written, but not inaccurate) and thus is mildly irrelevant, but on the other, it does bring up part of a broader discussion - that of the anti-Rootbear complex which almost everyone here seems to be afflicted with. I'd like to see an actual topic on this for once, because while I can sympathize with both sides of the debate, it seems a little too much like american politics - complete polarisation and stealth attacks towards the other side, and meanwhile no progress. But that's just my view.

[»doc flabby]

A perfect example of what people are doing wrong in the wiki.

 

!@#$%^&*S (A Small SubSpace Server) is an open source server created by [[grelminar]]. It offers more features and greater flexibility than [[subgame]], but requires more technical knowledge to implement.

 

"It offers more features and greater flexibility than [[subgame]]"

 

Does it? Where is your references to back up that opinion

 

"but requires more technical knowledge to implement." Another personal opinion.

 

You have to back these opinions.

 

Personally I dont think the player pages are very important except to boost some egos.

[»Lynx]

That's true, usually they have citations of everything on a wiki, unless it says "[citation needed]" or has a warning at the top of the page saying that everything in the article require citations or something..

[Cancer+]

Personally I dont think the player pages are very important except to boost some egos.

 

 

I agree.

[rootbear75]

Some player pages are important to the wiki, such as influential people like PriitK and grel, or other developers