Aileron Posted April 17, 2008 Author Report Posted April 17, 2008 I'd have to apologize for criticizing incomplete's plan. He atleast has one. As for the rest of you, if you don't have a plan, you are planning to be food. Are you people planning to quote "I am Legend" as the zombies are halfway through your right hemisphere? All the experts agree that a mall is one of the worst places you can go. It is a large building with a lot of entrances, and generally lacking in survival supplies. They aren't as bad as a school or a graveyard, but generally malls are a place to avoid. I'll admit I didn't elaborate between fast zombies or slow zombies. Plans should be similar though. X`terr, your plan sucks. There's no way those houses will have enough food to last for more than a couple weeks of food, and how are you going to get water after public works fails? Also, if they are fast zombies, your 'no gun' strategy is going to get you screwed. You'll survive the first encounter, I'll grant you that, but you'll be dessert after the zombies eat your sister. Let me re-write my 'at work' plan for when I can't simply drive home: I'd grab a fire-extinguisher, then hop on the forklift and save my coworkers from the zombies. Then, we'd get some of the 18-wheelers outside, and drive to !@#$%^&*'s. !@#$%^&*s has a large supply of guns and ammo, as well as some other stuff, such as radios, portable ovens, and most crucially equipment for making ammunition, but lacks food and water. Probably by the time we get there, they will have already blasted all the zombies. We'll join forces, where we gather up their guns (and bows) into our trucks, and then drive over to Walmart. There will be survivors there, though they will be relatively short on ammunition. We'll then join forces with the Walmart survivors. Rather than fortify the building, we'll need to fortify the parking lot so that we can get out. Fortunately, our city planners designed the city to aid in zombie survival. In the vicinity of the Walmart, there are several supermarkets, home improvement stores, and gas stations. A police and fire department is somewhat farther away, but reachable. The various survivors would join forces, with Walmart as the base of operations, conducting raids into the surrounding stores. Raiding parties would be divided by political party, where Republicans would be responsible for shooting the legions of the undead, while Democrats would specialize in looting. Over time, we would use building supplies to transform Walmart's parking lot into anti-zombie fortress. If Z-day was in the spring, we would plant seeds in potting soil from Home Depot to farm in the fall, but we would start by eating the frozen food until the electricity went out, and then canned food later. We should have enough to last until winter, unless Z-day was spring, where we would have farm food. We'd have to use buckets or something to collect rain water. We'd also have electricity from gas-powered generators, though we'd have to ration that. When winter hits, the zombies will freeze, and we'll smash their frozen heads off.
Guest Did Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 You guys have way to much free time on your hands to actually type out your plan. sorry
X`terrania Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 Holy !@#$%^&*, give me a little bit and I'll completely revamp my strategy. You do know that no one is going to be prepared for it right off the bat, they'll have to address the situation and act accordingly.
Incomplete Posted April 18, 2008 Report Posted April 18, 2008 I'd have to apologize for criticizing incomplete's plan. He atleast has one.I don't see it as criticizing, it is good for people to mention flawed parts of a plan, and for them to suggest other ideas. Contingency plans are never a bad thing. If anything like this did happen I would be able to analyze things in a different way and maybe even act on it better because of these discussions.
JDS Posted April 18, 2008 Report Posted April 18, 2008 28 days late. I actually ha a dream about that. I was locked in a park with loads of them chasing me. (like when they was chasing that man over the hill when he was running for the boat in 28 months later) Was some scary !@#$%^&*. For those of you who have never played dead rising, i'll get some footage, reminds me of this.qyfc7f0Z3wUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyfc7f0Z3wU isnt that the game where ur in the mall? root bear, i hate to do this but it kinda pissed me off that you would make a comment that pointless and stupid, where if you watch and listen to the movie it specificaly says and SHOWS the game is played in a mall. wtf?????
Samapico Posted April 18, 2008 Report Posted April 18, 2008 All the experts agree that a mall is one of the worst places you can go. [...]LMAO!!! THERE ARE ACTUALLY EXPERTS ON ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE SURVIVAL???!?!?!?!? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL -"What do you do for a living?"-"Oh... I study the best ways to survive a zombie apocalypse."
Incomplete Posted April 18, 2008 Report Posted April 18, 2008 It would be a fun job. Anyway, there aren't enough plans in here. Start typing!!
Aileron Posted April 19, 2008 Author Report Posted April 19, 2008 Well, I could criticize other plans as well actually. Suicide Run's plan has a major flaw in that it is dependent upon at most four people to dig a moat and manage a farm. It takes months to farm food. Considering that the survivors would be spending energy every day running a farm/fortress, they would need a larger stockpile of food just to hold them off until the farm pays off. Farms provide food for years, though to be honest you only need to last several months until winter, though starting a farm couldn't hurt as it would be needed to rebuild civilization. .22 revolvers do exist. My father happens to own one. I'd agree that a .44 Magnum wouldn't be my first choice because ammo would be hard to find. However, while a .22 can be lethal, it isn't reliably lethal, particularly if you are at long range and need to take body shots. I'd go for 30.06, because it is a good compromise between firepower and practicality. Shotguns are overrated. First off, in real life if you find a shotgun in someone's home, odds are the sASSS for it are birdshot, though buckshot and slugs aren't exactly 'rare'. Also, while powerful, they are only effective at relatively short range. Yes, shotguns are ideal for fighting off zombies in a high school or mall, but you shouldn't be in those places. Any good planner will choose a location with a large line of sight so as to get as big a warning and many shots off at the zombies as possible, thus favoring rifles. Still, all that said, you don't get to choose...you have to take whatever weapons you can find. You also didn't mention a melee weapon. Finland's plan has the obvious flaw of being a large treacherous odyssey which questionable risk/benefit ratio. I agree that Siberia is a good place to hang out, though as the scenario said, there would be zombies in Russia too, and the risks of running out of supplies, getting lost in the middle of Asia and running into a legion of zombies, faring poorly trying to navigate accrossed the oceans with ameatur seamanship skills, undoubtedly in a ship large enough to require a whole crew to maintain, etc. far outweigh the geographical benefit Siberia has over upstate New York. Generally, you should stick to the area you know best. Your primary advantage over the zombies is you mind, and your mind is only as good as your memory. If you stick to the area you know best, you won't have to explore the area, will know where to find supplies, and what areas to avoid. Transplanting yourself to some strange continent will only add a whole new set of problems to deal with. For example: I'm !@#$%^&*uming you don't speak Russian. During one of your supply stops you need food and ammo. You come accrossed the market street of some town with boarded up storefront windows. If the signs were in English, you only have to go into two buildings: the gun store and the grocer's. However, since they would be in Russian, you wind up randomly walking into a music store, a computer store, two auto parts stores, a barber shop, and a bridal shop before walking into the places you need to be. Any one of those stores will contain who knows how many zombies, further complicating your ammo problem, requiring you to do this process all over again in the next town. It would be far better to just go to upstate New York. Their winters are friggin terrible enough, and the area is remote, though wandering legions from Buffalo and Rochester might be a problem. That reminds me, keep in mind that the 'hide in the country' strategy will only work until the inner city/suburban zombies run out of food. After that, they'll leave the cities and roam the countryside. Basically, you'll be fine picking off the odd straggler, until a group of 1,000 or so zombies randomly stumble accrossed your cabin, but then you'd be screwed. Granted, the scenario said that the cities will get nuked, but what if the nuke misses? Sure there are professional zombie survivalists: There are even books on the subject. The Zombie Survival Guide
Falcoknight Posted April 19, 2008 Report Posted April 19, 2008 So we become aware around mid-day? Let's say between 2 and 3pm. I would be at track practice. I'd probably get some people from the team and close friends (most of which are on the team and would be with me) to immediately jump in a vehicle or vehicles and head out to my house. It will be before the heavy flow of traffic appears from people getting off work from 5-7, and seeing as the city I go to school in only has around 35,000 people, there's never traffic anyway. Once we're on the road, my house would be the best location. I live about 20 miles outside the city, and I live in what we all affectionately call "East Bum!@#$%^&*." On the way from the city to my house there's a grocery store (about 5 miles from the road I live on).We would stop there and quickly stock up, probably just enough for a month or two. We would then continue to my house. We have maybe one neighbor on either side of my property, both a good 1/2 or 3/4 of a mile away. On my property is my house, which is set back from the road by about 150-200 yards. In between my house and the road is my uncle's home, a smaller home but it has a large window that gives a full view of the road both ways for several miles. Behind both homes is a mobile home my uncle owns that he rents out to people, !@#$%^&*uming it would be vacant, it's just another place for us to use. He also has a 4 wheeler in the garage along with a large boat that could fit a decent amount of people comfortably and naturally we have all our vehicles. My grandfather already owns plenty of guns. Between him and my uncle who both live on our property we'd have several handguns, shotguns, and rifles. !@#$%^&*, we'd even probably have BB guns and cap guns, and plenty of ammo for all. I'll make the !@#$%^&*umption my uncle, parents, and grandparents were all in the city and zombified, so it's me and probably 6-10 friends on our own. Knowing we had limited time, even though we're a good 20 miles from the center of the danger, I'd probably set to having us setup some sort of communication between the three buildings. The reason for this being simple; Zombie or not, they'll want to travel across easier surfaces, like roads, instead of thick forest. A group of 2-4 people would have to always be on watch in the small home near the road so that we don't ever get caught off guard by a group of zombies traveling the road right up our !@#$%^&*es (From the main house you can only see who is on the road once they're in front of the house due to the tree-line). The communication set up between the homes would allow the people in the smaller home to alert the main house if anyone is seen coming up the road either way. If the danger was great, they could use the 4 wheeler/vehicle available/whatever to get to the main house as quickly as possible. After the communication was set up, we would go about fortifying the property. A pretty easy job, really. My grandparents and uncle are constantly building on to their homes or whatever, so we have a !@#$%^&* load of tools and building supplies, and if we run out of wood, we have three chainsaws and countless trees. We actually own a 100 yard roll of barbed wire as well, so we'd put that to use. We'd have two dogs, one small and about 45lbs, but this thing starts barking up a storm if a leaf moves on the lawn, so it would be an alarm of sorts. The other is massive, 120lbs at least, so it would be a guard dog/meat shield if worse comes to worse. So now we have enough supplies for a month or two, on top of what was already in the house (and we have an entire pantry full of canned food, so I'd estimate we have, conservatively, 3 months of food), an alert system in case of a group of zombies, enough weaponry to equip 4-6 people with guns and ammo, 4 vehicles plus an ATV and a boat that can fit everyone. (Should note that the vehicles would include two pick-up trucks, an SUV, and a minivan.)Also should point out that while the main home which will be our "living quarters" is the closest to the woods, there is still 50-100 yards of flat and open ground inbetween the house and the treeline in every direction. Also, the house is two floors, but built into a hill, so it would be relatively difficult to effectively surround it. Living in the country, we obviously have private wells, so public works turning off the water would be a non-issue. Also, we have a fireplace that heats the entire house pretty well, so heat won't be much of an issue either. There's a generator in both our garage and my uncle's, so we'll have some power when we need it, too. So we're set. If we need gasoline or !@#$%^&* like toilet paper, there's a tiny gas station that no one ever goes to at the end of my road about a mile away. As it is there aren't many people in the city 20 miles away, and the only other city is even farther in the other direction and it has substantially less people. With the fortifications available to us, the weaponry, water, power, vehicles, buildings, we'd be set for as long as we needed to be. More than likely after we have everything set up we'd head back to the grocery store about 5 miles away and stock up on even more !@#$%^&*. I think the only thing that could really overwhelm us would be if a group of 50+ zombies somehow managed to surprise us and surround the entire house, and even then, between the fortifications, 6 people with guns picking them off from the deck that's 12 feet in the air on the front of the house, and whatever else we had I think we'd stand a !@#$%^&* good chance of surviving as long as we needed to. Zombies wouldn't be a threat for long. The initial spread-out from the city (to show just how small Maine is, the city with 35,000 people is the second biggest population-wise in the state) would be the most dangerous part, and I'm guessing they'd stick to the places with a lot of people (food) for a decent amount of time. As long as we could last until the winter we would be set. The Zombies COULD NOT survive a winter like we had this year, snowing every few days and near 0 temps would wipe them out like nobody's business. After that we could probably relatively safely start sending out smoke signals or looking for survivors and rebuilding society.
JDS Posted April 19, 2008 Report Posted April 19, 2008 ...? if we are to assume zombies, we are to assume the general public.. we are to assume (us?) why think up a zombie plan when 9:10 chances you will be a zombie anyway? however, by the time zombie day comes, im sure we'l have some more advanced body armour and weapons... zombies wont be a problem
Aileron Posted April 19, 2008 Author Report Posted April 19, 2008 Zombies aren't smart enough to operate weapons usually. So, in the future, everyone's going to walk around ready for combat? Most people will still not be decked out for combat and will still need to gather supplies. Also, the first post places Z-day around 2012, so there. There won't be any plasma guns outside of some top secret you-bet-your-!@#$%^&*-it-will-be-infected-by-!@#$%^&*-loads-of-zombies military weapons lab. JDS, the one out of ten people not zombified are the ones with plans. Falco's long term plan is nice, except that his initial escape plan is flawed. Worst of all, you are trying to collect food before weapons. When you reach the supermarket, three things can happen. The area might not have been infected yet, it might be crawling with zombies, or worst off all, it could have been cleared by other survivors. If it is occupied by zombies, you'll need means of dispatching them so you can loot. Keep in mind, you don't have weapons yet, so odds are you'd end up running away. If they are fast zombies, expect to lose a few friends here. If the area is unaffected yet, other survivors will probably be looting the place, so you can just join in. The other looters might snag your favorite breakfast cereal, but you'll live. If there are armed survivors, they could be doing the 'Fortress Walmart' strategy which the professionals recommend. In that case, they won't let you take their food. Even if they aren't planning on staying, they probably won't let you take any food until they are done looting, and if its a large group they just might loot the entire store. So there you have it, you have a 1/3 chance of not starving to death on Z-day + 100. In the case of there being zombies, you can always pick up guns at home and go back, but that increases the chance another group of survivors will stake a claim to the spot while you were picking up your guns. Your plan clearly is to get to the store before other things happen, so I'll grant you that it does have some merit. However, if you don't get there quickly enough, without weapons you are screwed. Also, while I admit that you probably won't have traffic problems in Maine, do you honestly expect people to finish their work day on Z-day? Risk their lives for a couple bucks that will be worthless when the 'you own what you can loot' economy takes over? They are going to drop whatever they are doing and either execute their plans if they were smart, or run around panicking until they get eaten if they are JDS. One minute after the Z-day announcement hits the news, you can count on every car in the world being on the roads at the same time. Also, I must criticize your survival group. A track team? The idea is to choose buddies that are slower runners than you are. That way, if the worst happens and you end up running from a legion of fast zombies, your slowest buddy gets eaten and not you. You might be able to beat your teammates in a fair race, but when your group comes accrossed some zombies, your friends might have a head start on you. It would be best to have someone you can run circles around. Not only that, but with track team buddies, even if you outrun one of your friends and he gets eaten, you'll than have the joy of being chased by a zombie who used to run track. Before you go home, be sure to get some fat people to join your group. While we're on the subject, I'll assume this isn't a co-ed track team. Best pick up some girls on the way home too, lest your group has to resort to homosexuality after a couple of months being stuck in some cabin. Actually, since Zombies have no body heat, you don't really need a bad winter for them to freeze. A few degrees below freezing is all it takes. 20 degrees Fahrenheit is pretty much as good as -10. Ofcourse, areas with colder winters have colder autumns, so the benefit is that they would freeze earlier in the year.
Aileron Posted April 19, 2008 Author Report Posted April 19, 2008 Scratch that. Don't let a fat guy join your group, he'll eat all your food. Pick up an old guy. Wait, he'll die of old age or a heart attack. I got it, for the slow running meat shield of your group, stop by the orphanage and pick up a sickly orphan in crutches.
Incomplete Posted April 20, 2008 Report Posted April 20, 2008 Fat guys are good, gives us more time to run while the zombies eat him
Guest Did Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 Has there EVER been a case of an actual zombie? How do you know all these facts about zombies? lol? Hollywood isn't always right you know.
FMBI Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 (edited) Sure, it'd be hard to survive there, but I could make it. Lots of food and shelter, as long as you need it. And btw, I can speak Russian. Since I'll be able to get any weapons I need from military bases, the whole looting shouldn't be a problem at all. Edited May 13, 2008 by Finland My BorgInvasion
rootbear75 Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 how long would you think to survive in Siberia?
FMBI Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 (edited) Siberia has almost infinite resources, even after being looted by various russian governments for hundreds of years, so I see no reason to ever leave, unless it's to go to an uninhabited tropical island and live off fish for 50 years. Hundreds of years of coal, diamonds for trade, maybe even oil if I'm lucky. Have fun trying to survive in NYC. Edited May 13, 2008 by Finland My BorgInvasion
Samapico Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 Has there EVER been a case of an actual zombie? How do you know all these facts about zombies? lol? Hollywood isn't always right you know.Yeah lol... I can't wait for the first REAL zombie... I'm sure it will have some awesome unexpected super powers... like it can fly.. and stuff.. This would make the zombie plans much more difficult, wouldn't it? FLYING ZOMBIES!
Incomplete Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 In which case a bomb shelter would be a better idea
Suicide_Run Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 This would make the zombie plans much more difficult, wouldn't it? FLYING ZOMBIES!It wouldnt be flying zombies.....it will probably be wat happened in RE3. Crows/birds that eaten infected meat and become zombies? o.O But then again, most of this problem wouldnt exist in the long run if zombies will rot/freeze/starve in a few weeks/days depending on your climate. That is unless these zombies r a Umbrella Corp breed....which seems to be immune to rotting/starving lol.
Aileron Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Posted April 21, 2008 I said that "I agree that Siberia is a good place to hang out." I would dare say it is the ideal anti-zombie climate. Also, if you can speak Russian you should have said so. Its still an odyssey. You are literally traveling around the world. It still has a low risk-benefit ratio. I mean, the advantage Siberia has over, say, North Dakota, isn't that stark, while the difficulty of getting there far exceeds the difficulty of grabbing a car and driving west. Military bases are the worst places to go...they are predicted to be the first things to go. You also mentioned Siberia has a lot of coal. Keep in mind you are sitting on the largest known coal deposit in the world.
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