Drake7707 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Posted March 28, 2008 I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT Some minor (read: major) difficulties have been tackling me - Team members: they should be shot for not doing anything at ALL or !@#$%^&*ing everything up if they actually do something. Note to self: bring crowbar next meeting - Word: ahhhhh yes, word 2003, it does not like me. It crashes every so often when it tries to save... after deleting the autosave ofcourse. (This is solved after saving it as *.rtf making the size go from 1mb to 140mb but meh, at least i don't have to !@#$%^&*ing rewrite everything 3 times) - Teachers: Ah yes, feedback, crucial to know if you're on the right track to what they want or expect. Too bad they don't have a clue what they want, and are usually responding each of my questions with .. hmm yeah ... maybe you should ask ... or hmm yeah, that's not such a big deal anyway... - Deadline: yay, deadline 15 april. No big deal if it weren't for the fact that i have to make about 3 !@#$%^&*ing other presentations for languages course, prepare for an exercise of ASP.NET 2008 that counts for 25% of the exam, and also program the ASP part of the project - Handing it in: yay again, i have to hand it in .. duh, but on paper ... all code included *SHUDDER* (which will make that report at least 100-300 pages long) AND on a CD..... I fail, but i absolutely fail why i have to hand it in on a CD when i have to let my printer work to death to get all the pages out of it when i have to hand it in on a CD too .... (And there's such thing as DOKEOS where they post the course info and do!@#$%^&*ents AND there's a feature DROP BOX to hand in stuff.... i fail to see the logic of paper & cd, making this completely retarted and useless work ... yay) - Presentation: it seems i also have to prepare a presentation for it ... buuuuut i have absolutely no clue what i have to say about it nor did i get any explanations about it. Oh yeah, also i need to prepare it in dutch, french and english and need to be able to switch on demand .... crap. - Team members: yeah i already got that, but as they are mentally re!@#$%^&*ed i even have to explain how everything works so they can answer when they get a question... (stabbing them (with Mr. Stabbity ofcourse) to death solves this problem) Well that's about it i guess... must plan revenge now Btw i have attached my report for your viewing pleasure (yeah no reading pleasure as it is in dutch, the biggest part are diagrams anyway) for those who are curious.
rootbear75 Posted March 29, 2008 Report Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) they want you to print it out, cause they are too lazy to waste their own time and paper to print it out this is when you go to 4 pages/page its smaller, sure, but it saves the trees. and even do double sided... ends up at 8 pages/page Edited March 29, 2008 by rootbear75
2pac Posted March 29, 2008 Report Posted March 29, 2008 15 pages of print if you make this into a booklet, say 11x17 and fold in half to make it 8.5x11 size book.
Drake7707 Posted March 29, 2008 Author Report Posted March 29, 2008 what is this for? graduate studies? It's for a course (Projects II that has a like 17 studypoints :/) and you have to make a program that is written with java/cobol/asp (all courses that i had) and do stuff for it for dutch/english/french (also courses i have). It's like all courses thrown together in a practical course to see if you're capable of building a real system like you'll have to when you work in a company. It's not really a thesis for my studies (as i'm not in my final year), but i'll have to do internship next year (with hopefully a more capable team >.>). The problem is that i can't really say about it much as all our points are shared. If they don't do it and i don't do it then we get 0, if i do it and it's good they also get my points (and they know and exploit that >.>, well not that they would be able to help anyway). I was thinking of writing an email to the project manager to explain that they should fail for this course for oh so many reasons but i think i'll be cutting in my own flesh if i do that. this is when you go to 4 pages/page its smaller, sure, but it saves the trees. and even do double sided... ends up at 8 pages/page not going to work i'm afraid. The code is already in Courier new 10pt. Shrinking that to 25% will make it completely unreadable :/ 15 pages of print if you make this into a booklet, say 11x17 and fold in half to make it 8.5x11 size book. well if it were only this i could live with it, but there's still much missing, like all my use cases + code ... sigh
Aileron Posted March 29, 2008 Report Posted March 29, 2008 Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate them. Get creative. My sister got a lazy partner to pull his weight in a chemistry project by intentionally spilling a chemical on him which died his hands purple, though I don't know the details. I guess find out what your partners are doing to goof off, take one of their things which they require to do the activity, and tell them you'll give it back when the project is done.
Drake7707 Posted March 29, 2008 Author Report Posted March 29, 2008 it doesn't even matter if they work on it or now. If they do something they will !@#$%^&* it up, guaranteed. They both failed Java & cobol in the first semester and now they have to work with it .... oO" (and the exam wasn't even that hard, i had 16/20 and 17/20 respectively). I have let them do some stuff but i had to redo it anyway. Can you do the gui in java (i never made a gui in java before so i asked them). After a whole week they still had nothing that worked. I made the complete gui in 4 hours .... Alrighty ... let's try something else then OK, let me ... sigh also ... do the gui then, can you do the cobol part ? Another week passes by ... how far is your cobol ? I'm quoting now: "well i had some problems with svn, it !@#$%^&*ed up stuff, but i started from scratch and i have this (an example to print some lines to a printer).... SIGH ... i made the entire use case of connecting to the database, retrieving the project details and calculating the total amount of time with subtotals and all in 5-6 hours... This is not going so well... owkaaaay, if you can't program java nor cobol then can you do the scenario's for the use cases so i can make JUnit test cases. A few days passes by (i asked monday, i needed them by friday because i had to present them). They FINALLY gave me a doc file thursday evening (oh yes thanks a lot for giving me night work ....) and they just copied the use case text a few times, changing some words here and there .... sooo i had to write the scenario from scratch by myself... Sigh, at this point i already regretted not finding better team members. Anyway, i ask them to do the language parts of the course. They still keep their tendency to show me something thursday evening (like LATE evening) when we have to show it on friday... Imagine a word do!@#$%^&*ent thrown together, 5-6 different fonts (luckily not with all colors of the rainbow), and text completely translated straight from babelfish or google translate......( the french part was definately like that, the english part was ok .. i guess for the teachers at least, for me it was a failure in all kinds of twisted ways) Urge to give them pain is ... pretty high. The lesson is: if you've done university, dropped out and go to college: expect a lot, and i mean A LOT of morons. Even the ones in my class are complete idiots in almost all courses i follow
Dav Posted March 29, 2008 Report Posted March 29, 2008 reports are a fact of life unfortunately. I graduated from uni last year, now doing my Ph.D and still have a 15k word report to write (working on now). at the end of my course my thesis has a guide length of 100,000 words. the trick is to plan it around the question itself and make sure everything reliant is included. When producing results link them back into the introduction and discuss their significance.
Samapico Posted March 29, 2008 Report Posted March 29, 2008 Teachers are usually comprehensive when you're with a bunch of idiots... You could have a conversation with him about it. Concentrate on your part, and do it well. If you have a talk with the teacher, maybe he might not give the same grade to you and your teammates. Just make sure you talk to him about it before the deadline. If he tells you some crap like "But in real life, you'll have to work with these kinds of people", answer: "NO! These kind of idiots would have been fired long ago!"
Drake7707 Posted March 29, 2008 Author Report Posted March 29, 2008 That only works if the teachers aren't also complete morons (or more likely: are stupified after long years working with them) Still i think i'll write an email about it but i'll wait a bit until more till the end of the year because if they say something to the others i'm sure they do nothing anymore ... and how bad it may be, at least they spare me a few hours making a website for english or translating a text in french. I'll prolly address it after the final presentation, hoping to make them fail, so they can't p!@#$%^&* to next year (especially when they have already 2 fails ) ahh yes revenge will be sweet
JDS Posted March 29, 2008 Report Posted March 29, 2008 lulz, you should just bring all your computers over to someone's house and work on it at the same time, mind you they would probly just want to play lan games instead of working.. kill um. yep they need to die
Aileron Posted March 29, 2008 Report Posted March 29, 2008 Drake, don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Your idiot partners aren't the ones who are hurting you. Your teacher is. If your teacher didn't group you with the idiots, they could have been idiots all they want and it wouldn't have affected you. Your situation sucks, but the way I always have said it is "The only thing worse that a bad situation is a bad situation which somebody is whining about." Think positive and rise above this situation. Putting your partners to use involves focusing on the skills they do have. If nothing else, they can fetch you coffee.
Drake7707 Posted April 14, 2008 Author Report Posted April 14, 2008 It is finisheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
»Lynx Posted April 14, 2008 Report Posted April 14, 2008 Think you could write it all up in English again? lol.. j.k
Incomplete Posted April 14, 2008 Report Posted April 14, 2008 That is fricking HUGE Thanks. That's what all the women say.
Drake7707 Posted April 14, 2008 Author Report Posted April 14, 2008 yes, and i wrote every single letter of it ^^
Drake7707 Posted April 15, 2008 Author Report Posted April 15, 2008 umm attachments removed, seems ppl got help of google to find my report a tad too easy (search for "conceptueel kl!@#$%^&*endiagram") Especially because we still have to hand it in :/
rootbear75 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Posted April 15, 2008 put it in a zip file... then they cant search it
Dav Posted April 15, 2008 Report Posted April 15, 2008 best feeling ever when you finish a report isn't it just putting the final edits to mine now...
Smong Posted April 15, 2008 Report Posted April 15, 2008 Only 2500 words? I was looking at the cached version so missed the "168 pages of code". It would be more sensible to submit in a zip file containing the code and the do!@#$%^&*ent or if they want a hardcopy attach a CD to the report. Of course if the teacher specified differently just do what they say.
Drake7707 Posted April 15, 2008 Author Report Posted April 15, 2008 i had to hand in a cd with the source code and related stuff and a printed report. And !@#$%^&* A2 paper printing is expensive (for my full class diagram)
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