2008 Election Predictions

[»D1st0rt]

He had Cobra insurance, which is one of the worst insurance companies in America and they covered over 95% of the fees, and to boot, they paid for him to go to Cleveland to see the #1 American specialist about it.

 

COBRA isn't a company, it's a Federal Act that lets you continue on whatever insurance you had at your previous job. It is really expensive though, because you pay for all of it (normally the company picks up some of the bill).

 

 

The whole point of the government is to provide things that don't aren't fiscally practical for private corporations to do. Things like defense, roads, education, etc. I have very little faith in the effectiveness of sprawling bureaucracies, which is why I don't live in a socialist country. Those of you who would point to Canada as an example, they have what 25 million people? We have like 12 times as many, dropping in their system wouldn't be anywhere near as effective on that kind of scale.

[BDwinsAlt]

I've always hated Hilary, but after the Bush Administration executed operation "9/11," I have to vote democrat. I don't really like Obama. Out economy was better when Clinton was in office. We weren't at war, there wasn't a constant terrorism scare, and gas was less than a dollar a gallon. I hate seeing the profit reports for oil companies. How can they have record profits in 1/4 the usual time. Obama is inpirational, but I don't think he has what it takes to change anything, and I don't think we need to play dominate the middle east with Iraq and any other country.

 

Google North American Union sometime. Scare the people into submission and you can make drastic changes by making them think they are safe. They can already tap our phones. Remember V for Vendetta? It'll be like that pretty soon. Then the European Union, North American Union, and the other 2 developing right now, will merge as one government.

 

Warning: Controversy starts here. That's where the Bible talks about the end of time.

 

more on topic: McCain lost his balls in Vietnam. Hilary is more of a man than he will ever be. Ron Paul would have owned. He was going to use gold and silver as the currency. That way it couldn't lose its value. He wanted out of Iraq. The Media censored him imo.

[Aileron]

So, your predictions for the future are based upon "V for Vendetta"...Um, if your opinion was based upon a movie, couldn't you at least pick a good movie? There have been a lot of Orwellian novels out there. Truth be told they never happen because the basis of said novels require several decades of unchecked extremism.

 

Last time I checked, they can only tap your phone if you're having weekly chats with Osama Bin Laden or something like that.

 

What the heck are you talking about with "North American Union"? Last time I checked, the US has been running the entire Western Hemisphere, North, Central, and South Americas included, due to the Monroe Doctrine. And the EU is destined to become European, so those who know history will know what to expect from the EU.

 

 

 

I actually will have to part with conservatism here, because I do actually think there should be government-supported health care as a healthy population is conducive to the public interest, particularly in the case of communicable diseases. The catch is that I think it should suck, and those who want better service should have to pay for it.

 

Generally I don't like it when politicians want to do more for the "lower class". Our country was not built upon the "lower class". Dictatorships are built up the "lower class". What made our country great was a strong "middle class", and that's what the government should be supporting. To that end, what the government should be doing for lower class families is to make it easier for them to move up into the middle class.

 

For example, I think it is more important to lower college tuition costs rather than raise the minimum wage. That way, more people go to college and minimum wage becomes less of an issue.

[ThunderJam]

For example, I think it is more important to lower college tuition costs rather than raise the minimum wage. That way, more people go to college and minimum wage becomes less of an issue.

Mmm good point, i like that.

[Falcoknight]

So, your predictions for the future are based upon "V for Vendetta"...Um, if your opinion was based upon a movie, couldn't you at least pick a good movie? There have been a lot of Orwellian novels out there. Truth be told they never happen because the basis of said novels require several decades of unchecked extremism.

 

Last time I checked, they can only tap your phone if you're having weekly chats with Osama Bin Laden or something like that.

 

What the heck are you talking about with "North American Union"? Last time I checked, the US has been running the entire Western Hemisphere, North, Central, and South Americas included, due to the Monroe Doctrine. And the EU is destined to become European, so those who know history will know what to expect from the EU.

 

 

 

I actually will have to part with conservatism here, because I do actually think there should be government-supported health care as a healthy population is conducive to the public interest, particularly in the case of communicable diseases. The catch is that I think it should suck, and those who want better service should have to pay for it.

 

Generally I don't like it when politicians want to do more for the "lower class". Our country was not built upon the "lower class". Dictatorships are built up the "lower class". What made our country great was a strong "middle class", and that's what the government should be supporting. To that end, what the government should be doing for lower class families is to make it easier for them to move up into the middle class.

 

For example, I think it is more important to lower college tuition costs rather than raise the minimum wage. That way, more people go to college and minimum wage becomes less of an issue.

 

Gotta +1 this entire post.

[»Ducky]

So far all my picks are right, I just wish I was as good with march madness. I'm definately swinging more independant on this one.

 

As of right this second, I'll vote Hillary over Obama. If he somehow takes the ticket and doesn't make it an Obama/Hillary ticket, I like Mccain enough to swap sides. I've ALWAYS liked Mccain, he just has those few issues I don't care for. I used to be heavily pro Obama until I realized how clueless he really is. (Not to mean he won't win nomination.)

 

Predicting anything is kinda silly at this point, there's alot of time before the decisions are made and with that time, anyone can faulter.

The democratic nominee won't be named until may or june, there's not enough delegate leeway for a straight drop out.

[Aileron]

swap sides? Last time I checked all of the candidates were on the 'American' side. The purpose of the parties is to serve the nation, not vice versa.

 

 

Now that I think of it, there's a rant I need to go on here. I've noticed news articles stating that black women don't know who to vote for here, since Hillary is a woman (?) and Obama is black.

 

If you happen to be in this sort of quandary, here's my advice: If reproductive organs or skin color is your primary decision maker in who to vote for, I suggest you don't vote. Please leave the voting to less shallow individuals.

 

It scares me to think how many women voted for Hillary and how many blacks voted for Obama for just that reason, and it angers me that somehow it is politically incorrect to call those people 'sexists' and 'racists', because that's what they are.

[»Ducky]

I think after either flavor of politician is in the major role of president, we'll see a decline of unreasonable voting. Everyone who votes this way seems to want to see that "white male" stigma get battered down. Whether it's right or not.

 

And there are sides, there are always sides. No idea where that reply came from. I've been on these boards long enough to know every political debate you've been apart of jointly with me and it seems kinda odd that you'd throw that out there just now.

[SeVeR]

If you happen to be in this sort of quandary, here's my advice: If reproductive organs or skin color is your primary decision maker in who to vote for, I suggest you don't vote. Please leave the voting to less shallow individuals.

 

It scares me to think how many women voted for Hillary and how many blacks voted for Obama for just that reason, and it angers me that somehow it is politically incorrect to call those people 'sexists' and 'racists', because that's what they are.

Here here!!

 

I actually will have to part with conservatism here, because I do actually think there should be government-supported health care as a healthy population is conducive to the public interest, particularly in the case of communicable diseases. The catch is that I think it should suck, and those who want better service should have to pay for it.

Oh dear lord!

 

What have you done with the real Aileron?

[Yoink]

Where did this impression of 'clueless' Obama come from?

 

On that note, it's not like presidents these days make their own decisions :\.

[»D1st0rt]

It scares me to think how many women voted for Hillary and how many blacks voted for Obama

There is some logic in thinking that someone who is like you in some way could be better at protecting your interests in that regard over somebody who doesn't share that similarity. Not necessarily saying this is the reasoning behind all of the aforementioned voting, but it probably plays a significant part.

[SeVeR]

Where did this impression of 'clueless' Obama come from?

 

Right-wing propaganda strikes again...

[NBVegita]

Actually I do believe it was the Clintons who are responsible for that.

 

But blame it on the conservative republicans, !@#$%^&* they're the scape goat for everything else in america.

[SeVeR]

There's a difference between Clinton and the Republicans?

[NBVegita]

Haha being that most republicans would like to roast her over an open fire, I'd say so lol

[The Real Picard]

Vote McCain

[Aileron]

SeVeR, I'd have to say that the treatment of Obama as 'clueless' right now is very similar to the treatment of President Bush when he was running in 2000 against Bill Clinton's heir.

 

 

Veg, that's pretty violent. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

I for one don't want to see Hillary Clinton roasted on an open flame. The resulting smoke would poison the air and cause sickness and death to any nearby, kind of like how stabbing the king of the Nine Riders poisoned Eowyn and Merry in The Lord of the Rings. Then Al Gore would want to make another movie based upon the environmental impact of the event.

 

It would be much safer if there was a black hole nearby which would conveniently dispose of any ill side effects. Too bad the nearest one is lightyears away.

[ThunderJam]

McCains got this in the bag i think. Saw a stat the other day that said 28% of hillary supporters would vote for mccain if barrack won the democratic nomination. Looking at it the other way, if hillary won, i feel that the same thing would happen with the obama supporters, perhaps in even larger numbers. The two of them are too divisive, whichever one wins their nomination, they won't retain the other democratic candidates voters.

[Aileron]

I wouldn't go that far. As I said, the loser is going to run as an independent...especially if Obama carries PA but Hillary gets nominated by the DNC.

[»Ducky]

Got a chance to hit up a town meeting for Obama in Greensburg PA.

Still the same stance.

[Aileron]

You know, I should get this topic back on track.

 

Okay, so Huckabee is out of the race and the prediction I started the topic with is bung...my new prediction:

 

Obama is going to carry all of the remaining states in the primary. However, just before the DNC some 'scandal' is going to break out. At the DNC, all of the Super-Delegates will vote Hillary, as well as a few Obama delegates who come from pro-Hillary districts, who will use the excuse that it is "what their state would have wanted if they knew about (whatever the scandal happens to be). Overall, despite clear public support for Obama, Hillary Clinton will get the Democratic nomination.

 

What will happen next is huge public outcry, not over their candidate but of how the party elites have abandoned democratic principles. After a period of some rioting, the event will lead to the complete disintegration of the Democratic party, and Democratic voters will become either independents or third party voters.

 

The three big names on the November ballot will be McCain, Obama, and Nader. Obama will run as an independent, while Nader will actually have a decent shot at the presidency as democratic voters will move to the Green Party. Hillary will still be running, but by this time the Democratic party will consist of two members: Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea...with Bill and Chelsea pointing to each other claiming that the other one is Green.

 

What will then happen is that McCain will school Obama in the debates, while Nader will shoot himself in the foot by choosing Al Gore as his running mate.

 

After the election, McCain will carry all the states, and all votes in the Electoral college except one, out of respect for George Washington's unanimous victory. McCain will become president. Obama will spent the next four years building some kind of replacement liberal party and will run again in 2012. Nader and Gore will disappear into the wilderness together on some environmentalist mission and will never be heard from again. Hillary Clinton will be so enraged by her defeat that her anger will be made manifest in the form of an inter-dimensional rift which releases cacodemons which raise the dead as zombies. A band of gritty survivors, armed with lots of big guns which the Republican party will lift the regulations against, will defeat the zombies and the cacodemons. The battle will end in a cataclysmic explosion which the survivors will narrowly escape, but Clinton will be just seconds short of escaping from.

 

 

Or atleast that's how I'm hoping it turns out.

[ThunderJam]

Or atleast that's how I'm hoping it turns out.

HAHAHA that was quite entertaining

[JDS]

as im not american, anyone know whos on top?

[FMBI]

Depends who you ask. I think that if the dems hold together, Obama will easily win, but if people are still stupid enough to consider going with "Bush 2.0" McCain, then we'll definitely see him get in - higher turnout + party switch would mean an easy victory.

[Bak]

unless the dems screw up big time they should have an easy win this time around. My bet is 15% more popular vote for the dems.