2008 Election Predictions

[Slipped]

Well, as a Republican I want Obama to win the Democratic Primary for the following reasons:

 

1) Clinton is much more likely than Obama to run as an independent if she loses the primary.

2) When the debates for the final take place, McCain is going to make Obama look like the idiot he is.

3) I just don't want to see another Clinton in the White House.

4) I don't believe being a housewife qualifies somebody for presidency. Both Hillary Clinton and John Kerry were housewives, and I think it would be a bad precedent for a political party to nominate candidates based upon who they are married to.

5) Obama is at least consistent.

6) Hillary Clinton puts her party before the country. The reason why most Democrats voted yes to going into Iraq is because if the war didn't happen, they wouldn't have anything to protest. The plan was clearly to support Bush going into the war and then double-back and oppose it in the middle.

7) The Clintons have access to many illegal campaign funds from felons and such. Those funds would be unavailable for Obama should he get the nomination.

If Hillary wins the primary, two decades from now Chelsea is going to run for president.

9) People tend to become more conservative as they mature. Obama is young and likely to swing closer to the right as he ages. Clinton is clearly undead and not liable to change her policy ever.

10) If Clinton makes the presidency, the duo will be receiving the biggest retirement pension in the history of the US government, useful for writing books, making museums, and a bunch of other annoying things I don't want to see.

 

Well, he completed summed it up for me as well. I agree 120%.

[SeVeR]

McCain is going to make Obama look like the idiot he is.

If looking like an idiot were a precursor for failing to become President, then GWB wouldn't have gotten very far.

 

I want Obama to win because i can't stand Hillary either. I'm someone who doesn't see alot of differences between Hillary and the Republicans.

Edited February 18, 2008 by SeVeR

[Tiq]

Well, as a Republican I want Obama to win the Democratic Primary for the following reasons:

 

1) Clinton is much more likely than Obama to run as an independent if she loses the primary.

2) When the debates for the final take place, McCain is going to make Obama look like the idiot he is.

3) I just don't want to see another Clinton in the White House.

4) I don't believe being a housewife qualifies somebody for presidency. Both Hillary Clinton and John Kerry were housewives, and I think it would be a bad precedent for a political party to nominate candidates based upon who they are married to.

5) Obama is at least consistent.

6) Hillary Clinton puts her party before the country. The reason why most Democrats voted yes to going into Iraq is because if the war didn't happen, they wouldn't have anything to protest. The plan was clearly to support Bush going into the war and then double-back and oppose it in the middle.

7) The Clintons have access to many illegal campaign funds from felons and such. Those funds would be unavailable for Obama should he get the nomination.

If Hillary wins the primary, two decades from now Chelsea is going to run for president.

9) People tend to become more conservative as they mature. Obama is young and likely to swing closer to the right as he ages. Clinton is clearly undead and not liable to change her policy ever.

10) If Clinton makes the presidency, the duo will be receiving the biggest retirement pension in the history of the US government, useful for writing books, making museums, and a bunch of other annoying things I don't want to see.

 

1) Clinton has enough experience in politics to know that it would be a lose-lose if she jeopardized the election for the Democratic party.

2) A lack of experience does not make someone an idiot. Frankly, I like that Obama is new enough to politics to still be a bit of an idealist.

3) Neither does anyone else, unless that Clinton is Bill.

4) That's rather sexist. Despite everything about Clinton, and her persona as an Ice Queen, she has been in politics for some time. Senator of New York, and there is no denying that she is a hard worker. Really your #4 was a junior high insult.

5) And inspirational.

6) That's stupid. Rather disturbed by your thought process.

7) You read Ann Coulter much?

Land of opportunity, etc. Also, not a good idea to judge people just 'cause of their last name. Those types of !@#$%^&*umptions tend to make folks like you look like !@#$%^&*holes.

9) This is probably true.

10) No worries there. Obama is going to win the nomination.

 

For the record, I'm an independent

[X`terrania]

Well, as a Republican I want Obama to win the Democratic Primary for the following reasons:

 

1) Clinton is much more likely than Obama to run as an independent if she loses the primary.

2) When the debates for the final take place, McCain is going to make Obama look like the idiot he is.

3) I just don't want to see another Clinton in the White House.

4) I don't believe being a housewife qualifies somebody for presidency. Both Hillary Clinton and John Kerry were housewives, and I think it would be a bad precedent for a political party to nominate candidates based upon who they are married to.

5) Obama is at least consistent.

6) Hillary Clinton puts her party before the country. The reason why most Democrats voted yes to going into Iraq is because if the war didn't happen, they wouldn't have anything to protest. The plan was clearly to support Bush going into the war and then double-back and oppose it in the middle.

7) The Clintons have access to many illegal campaign funds from felons and such. Those funds would be unavailable for Obama should he get the nomination.

If Hillary wins the primary, two decades from now Chelsea is going to run for president.

9) People tend to become more conservative as they mature. Obama is young and likely to swing closer to the right as he ages. Clinton is clearly undead and not liable to change her policy ever.

10) If Clinton makes the presidency, the duo will be receiving the biggest retirement pension in the history of the US government, useful for writing books, making museums, and a bunch of other annoying things I don't want to see.

 

1) Clinton has enough experience in politics to know that it would be a lose-lose if she jeopardized the election for the Democratic party.

2) A lack of experience does not make someone an idiot. Frankly, I like that Obama is new enough to politics to still be a bit of an idealist.

3) Neither does anyone else, unless that Clinton is Bill.

4) That's rather sexist. Despite everything about Clinton, and her persona as an Ice Queen, she has been in politics for some time. Senator of New York, and there is no denying that she is a hard worker. Really your #4 was a junior high insult.

5) And inspirational.

6) That's stupid. Rather disturbed by your thought process.

7) You read Ann Coulter much?

Land of opportunity, etc. Also, not a good idea to judge people just 'cause of their last name. Those types of !@#$%^&*umptions tend to make folks like you look like !@#$%^&*holes.

9) This is probably true.

10) No worries there. Obama is going to win the nomination.

 

For the record, I'm an independent

 

Well spoken, but just for personal reasons I'd much rather see another Clinton in the white house, they do a !@#$%^&* fine job.

[Slipped]

I just saw this today and thought it was hilarious. Check it out. It sure doesn't make Obama look all that bright.

 

[Bak]

obama's health care plan isn't going to work... it's opt-in and no one gets turned down (so pretty much all the sick people who can't afford other plans will take advantage of the government subsidized plan)... that means tax payers will have to cover the costs, in addition to providing healthcare for themselves.

 

heath and human services is the biggest part of the budget already... if we put in a health plan that fails into place, our debt it going to go through the roof.

 

With clinton's plan, everyone who doesn't have health care has to get it, so that healthy people without healthcare will mitigate some the costs from tax payers.

 

obama's much more inspirational, but I don't want to have to pay lots taxes for a failing plan.

[NBVegita]

socilized health care = !@#$%^&*ty health care for all

[Bak]

except neither of them are proposing socialized health care? It's just a government plan to compete with existing ones. Hillary's is mandatory whereas Obama's is opt-in.

[NBVegita]

How is hillary's plan not socialized health care?

 

The government must pay for all people to have health care.

 

How else do you describe that?

[ThunderJam]

Hey ail, there is one thing though that I think makes Hillary more desirable to win the democratic nomination, from a republic standpoint...

 

Even among the democrats, there is a considerable chunk of the population that hands down hates hillary. Now matter how good a game she talks, even if she walked all over Mccain in debates, there is gonna be this group of people that refuse to support her at all costs. For that reason if Hillary wins, I think some of the Obama supporters would switch to backing Mccain rather than hillary. Especially since Mccain is liberal as far as republicans go.

[Bak]

How is hillary's plan not socialized health care?

 

The government must pay for all people to have health care.

 

That is socialized health care, however that is not Hillary's plan. With her plan, you and all the insured people get to keep your current health insurance. The government plan she proposes is like a safety net, such that if you ever lose coverage you are automatically subscribed (and must pay for) the government plan. I assume part of the government plan will also be subsidized through taxes too.

[all_shall_perish]

I'm still up in the air about my candidate of choice. However, I watched McCain about two nights ago essentially list all of the countries he wants to bomb for whatever bogus reason and he has not even made it out of the primaries yet.

[ESCANDAL0SA]

i'm an Obama supporter, and even though i like his health care plan better than Hilary's, i don't think either plan is gonna be a great success.

 

i don't like this whole health insurance thing, i don't believe that it's "universal" as long as it's involved and playing a big role.

Hilary's plan is re!@#$%^&*ed, forcing people to subscribe to a plan.

Obama's plan vows to lower costs of insurance, but if you choose not to opt-in to what he's offered, then you aren't covered.

 

this isn't what universal health care is... and both candidates are talking about how their plan is universal.

 

universal is when you don't have to opt-in to anything, or subscribe to any plans or pay any premiums, but if something were to happen to you, you would receive health care no matter what. both of their plans still leave people out and require payments, therefore, it's not universal.

 

it's pretty sad, considering almost all of the other developed countries (Canada, France, etc.) have FREE universal health care.

 

As a Canadian citizen (i have dual), i love the way health care works in Canada. it's paid through taxes on goods and services, and also funded by the government. would it hurt to pay a little more on purchases to "pitch in" for health care? Americans are always talking about how "they don't wanna pay their tax money for somebody else's health care". but, the concept of this is that while you may be paying for someone's health care, every other citizen in the country is doing the same. something is bound to happen to you, to send you to the doctor's or hospital, it's inevitable. and when you're in the hospital, you'll be grateful that other people are paying for your health care.

 

the way most Americans think is quite sad. it's 2008 already and America still doesn't have a proper health care plan.

[2pac]

vote for the black president!

[all_shall_perish]

Depends on whether or not you feel government should be in charge of providing medical care for its citizens.

 

I personally feel that people should only be en!@#$%^&*led to emergency treatment, regardless of their ability to pay for the services and that's exactly what the United States offers.

 

My biggest issue with universal health care is that I have to support irresponsible fools because they don't know how to control themselves: Some piece of !@#$%^&* walks down the street and stabs/shoots/!@#$%^&*aults a person for some unjustifiable reason and guess who picks up the tab.

Edited February 22, 2008 by all_shall_perish

[ESCANDAL0SA]

well, you have to think about it in other ways. for example, i've had to have a couple surgeries in my past already. the conditions wouldn't have been paid for by any health insurance companies in America (i doubt it), and even if they did pay, i'd have to pay a deductible. each surgery would've cost thousands of dollars. the amount of tax money you pay on goods and services, really isn't that much. and the fact that you see it as you're picking up the tab for others, and not also the other way around, that's the problem.

 

 

and with the emergency treatment you're talking about... is there even one in place? i know of some people who had to have emergency surgeries, treatment, and they were still billed.

Edited February 22, 2008 by L0SA

[all_shall_perish]

i think you'll still end up getting billed for it but at the time you need it you'll receive treatment.

[ESCANDAL0SA]

exactly... which sucks because people spend their entire lives paying off major surgeries and treatment. i know someone who's in the hospital, and has been in there for months. he was put on dialysis and has temporary brain damage, was also in a coma for a bit (i think). he's in the working class, doesn't make much money, nor does his family. do you know how much trouble, financially, he and his family are in?

 

but, if that was in Canada, it would've been free of charge, not a dime.

[Bak]

an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

 

offering only emergency treatment is expensive, whereas if you offer preventative treatment before it becomes an emergency it costs a lot less.

[Dav]

However much I would like to see a democrat get in i think the repubicans will win this again.

 

My rerason is simpky this people just arnt ready for a black/female presidant. Mcain also has the advantage of being the strotypical freedom fighing all american war hero which from the media coverage is going a long long way.

[NBVegita]

No matter how you construe the words it still amounts to socialized health care.

 

Even Clinton mounts the big differences between Obama's plan and hers is that hers makes it MANDATORY for all citizens to have health care, Baracks doesn't.

 

And you can say "oh well you can keep your current health care"

 

If I am a low to low-middle income family, and I'm either going to have to pay $100-$300 a month to cover my family of four, or let the government pay for it, what do you think is going to happen? Even if I make a good amount of money, I have to pay for health care twice now? Once for my family, and once for someone else's?

 

Her plan would make it so that not only do I pay for my own health care, but in addition to paying for welfare, food stamps, low income housing, ect, I now also have to pay for their health care too?

 

How is it not socialism that the government taxes me, for which I have no control over, and then turns around and supports every aspect of a decent amount of american people's lives.

 

!@#$%^&* now if you're poor the government:

 

Gives you a place to live.

Gives you food stamps.

Gives you money for clothes and spending.

Gives you free health care.

Awards you more money the more children you have.

 

!@#$%^&* where's the incentive to work?

 

When I moved out at 18, I was a retail manager, full time, with benefits, and minus the health care I would have had a better life if I had lived off the government.

 

the conditions wouldn't have been paid for by any health insurance companies in America

 

Thats a funny statement being a guy I used to work with had Achalasia, which only 1/200,000 in the entire world get. He had Cobra insurance, which is one of the worst insurance companies in America and they covered over 95% of the fees, and to boot, they paid for him to go to Cleveland to see the #1 American specialist about it.

 

No one's health care system is perfect.

[Bak]

if you're poor the government already pays for your health care.

 

The incentive to work comes in from having a place to live, food, clothes and health not being enough. People strive for more than just survival and will work to achieve it.

 

If being poor is so great, why do you continue to work? Being poor is not fun.

[ESCANDAL0SA]

most of mine were pre-existing conditions though. there's no way an insurance company was gonna provide me coverage lol.

[ESCANDAL0SA]

oh... and what the government offers, like a place to live, is the worst living condition ever. they put you in projects in dirty, tiny apartments/living spaces. i wouldn't necessarily say that living off the government = a good life, or better than one in which you could've provided for yourself. it's affordable for people who struggle, but keep in mind that most who stay on government !@#$%^&*istance, a drastic change is almost impossible to make in order to get out, so most stay in that situation for the rest of their lives.

 

not to mention the high market housing prices. too over priced. i see houses that look like !@#$%^&*, selling for $500,000. man, i can get a mansion in Canada for that, plus more lol.

 

anyway, back to health care, you act like the government will be taxing you thousands of dollars. the amount you'll be paying through taxes is a lot less than what you pay for your health care premiums. it's like raising the tax by a couple percent, at the most. Canadians pay 14% on taxes on goods and services, and if you ask most people, it's worth it. you act like the poor aren't required to pay taxes, everyone gets taxed.

 

i think it's a fair system. the health of Americans is very bad, i know so many people who refuse to go to the doctor's when they're sick because they don't have insurance. or, who think twice when they break a bone cus they know it's gonna cost too much for treatment and hospitalization. it's pretty sad. annnddd y'all have nasty teeth lmao. not many Americans do yearly cleaning at the Dentist, disgusting =/

Edited February 23, 2008 by L0SA

[NBVegita]

You think we have bad teeth? Just go to the UK. That's not a joke, I'm serious.

 

As for your tax, so currently I pay an 8% tax on goods and services. If I say spend an average of $10000 a year on taxable items, including food, paying an additional 6% means I pay an additional $600 a year just in sales tax. I pay just over that for full medical, dental, vision and life insurance a year. The average middle class american already grosses ~70% of their actual income. Which means excluding sales tax we're already taxed ~30% of our income. Now take the money you've already paid taxes on, and tax it another 14%? I'm sorry but isn't 30-40% of the working families income already too much money to be taking away?

 

As for preexisting conditions, that is one of the bad parts of our health care, but that only is in effect if you've had discontinuous health care.

 

Bak the problem is that if you're on all of those government aids, your not going to be able to jump into the work force making $10-$15/hour. Well its possible if you want to do manual labor or the like, but the majority of the people are either unable to do that type of labor or too lazy. Now to start working you've gotta take an $8 an hour job, meaning your quality of life is greatly diminished.

 

As for caring for where you live, I grew up in a really poor neighborhood. Most, and I don't say all, residents had !@#$%^&*ty run down houses, and instead of taking care of the houses they would make sure they had new cars, the newest clothes, big chains, ect. Most of the families were less concerned with their house and more concerned about their rims.

 

And as for the housing market, if you have decent credit now is the time to buy. Unless you're in a large metropolitan area, where the prices will always be high, you can find a very reasonable house. Or even get a foreclosed house. In Syracuse, most of the houses in the city go for between $60,000-$100,000 and out of the city $,000-$250,000(high end). So instead of buying that pimped out escalade, buy a house in the city, but you get more props for driving that pimped out SUV than you do for having a decent looking house.