»Lynx Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 i swear to god, the admins of SSC have gone to !@#$%^&*ing pot. rootbear75 with banG? nice move !@#$%^&*wads.SVS eat your heart out. Wow - Good way to get something minuscule, and blow it right out of proportion. He has level four local banG in Dragonball Z - which means he can ban locally within the zone - and if he bans for any reason which I consider to be taboo (Which is any reason other than players hacking or racism) - he loses his banG. That's our policy. I don't see what the huge fuss about rootbear75 is anyway - he's just somebody you guys like to take the piss out of - and Apache you've just used that as a way to discredit rootbear75 - he's not abused his power once since he has been staff in the zone - I personally think that if he were a little wittier about how he retorts to you people - you'd probably like him - but that isn't my problem. As long as he does his job in my zone - it's irrelevant. Also - It wasn't an SSC Admin decision, it's zone policy. Apache, when you were staff at the zone, you had banG too - I welcome any counter arguments to why rootbear75 shouldn't have banG, and it's definately not the reason Subspace is dying.
Samapico Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 Rootbear got !@#$%^&*ing bang access? Are you joking me? Root you'd better stay the !@#$%^&* off of my chats, or that's another thing killing SS.BanG has nothing to do with chats... And if he has level 4 BanG access, he can only do local bans as Lynx said. Only thing he can do with netbans is view a list of them. And well... all of you just read Lynx's post and stop complaining.
No_Remorse Posted January 17, 2008 Report Posted January 17, 2008 It's not dying. look at the monthly graph at the bottom of this page: http://stats.trenchwars.org/ As you can see activity is up this month as compared to last month, so stop saying that's it's dying you fools. AhahAHA... It's called Christmas break.
X`terrania Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 i swear to god, the admins of SSC have gone to !@#$%^&*ing pot. rootbear75 with banG? nice move !@#$%^&*wads.SVS eat your heart out. Wow - Good way to get something minuscule, and blow it right out of proportion. He has level four local banG in Dragonball Z - which means he can ban locally within the zone - and if he bans for any reason which I consider to be taboo (Which is any reason other than players hacking or racism) - he loses his banG. That's our policy. I don't see what the huge fuss about rootbear75 is anyway - he's just somebody you guys like to take the piss out of - and Apache you've just used that as a way to discredit rootbear75 - he's not abused his power once since he has been staff in the zone - I personally think that if he were a little wittier about how he retorts to you people - you'd probably like him - but that isn't my problem. As long as he does his job in my zone - it's irrelevant. Also - It wasn't an SSC Admin decision, it's zone policy. Apache, when you were staff at the zone, you had banG too - I welcome any counter arguments to why rootbear75 shouldn't have banG, and it's definately not the reason Subspace is dying. Kid - if you don't know the reasons why rootbear shouldn't have bang - then I pity you - as long as it stays at level 4 - then we're all good.-------------
rootbear75 Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Posted January 18, 2008 i swear to god, the admins of SSC have gone to !@#$%^&*ing pot. rootbear75 with banG? nice move !@#$%^&*wads.SVS eat your heart out. Wow - Good way to get something minuscule, and blow it right out of proportion. He has level four local banG in Dragonball Z - which means he can ban locally within the zone - and if he bans for any reason which I consider to be taboo (Which is any reason other than players hacking or racism) - he loses his banG. That's our policy. I don't see what the huge fuss about rootbear75 is anyway - he's just somebody you guys like to take the piss out of - and Apache you've just used that as a way to discredit rootbear75 - he's not abused his power once since he has been staff in the zone - I personally think that if he were a little wittier about how he retorts to you people - you'd probably like him - but that isn't my problem. As long as he does his job in my zone - it's irrelevant. Also - It wasn't an SSC Admin decision, it's zone policy. Apache, when you were staff at the zone, you had banG too - I welcome any counter arguments to why rootbear75 shouldn't have banG, and it's definately not the reason Subspace is dying. Kid - if you don't know the reasons why rootbear shouldn't have bang - then I pity you - as long as it stays at level 4 - then we're all good.-------------its not L4
Samapico Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 hmmmm... *reads back* I think I hallucinated a "lvl4"... Blame it on the people who use "4" instead of "for"
Incomplete Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 Stop flaming rootbear in every topic. I'm getting fed up of reading it all the time. If he abuses his powers then he'll be removed, you've seen it happen before. Even to the people who have higher BanG levels.
»doc flabby Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 (edited) It's not dying. look at the monthly graph at the bottom of this page: http://stats.trenchwars.org/ As you can see activity is up this month as compared to last month, so stop saying that's it's dying you fools. AhahAHA... It's called Christmas break.I'm not, im just saying we can't objectivly measure the rate of population loss, you can't make statements like "Teh game is dying" without the evidence. The population to me looks much the same as 6 months ago. Its less than a couple of years ago though, when tw would hit the 600s. The empirical evidence that population has gone down is what i base the next part of my post on.Basically we have no idea whats going on with pop without real and historical stats, we can't see the seasonal trends. Edited January 18, 2008 by doc flabby
Hakaku Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 June 2006 (or before) : January 18, 2008 : The drops per year aren't significant, but there is a population decline, if you compare the last 5 year trend. Nowadays, even TW's population can fall under the 300's, whereas 2 years ago it would rarely break under 350. Rather than calling it 'SubSpace is dying', it's more that 'SubSpace's population is on a decline'. 2 years ago there were 30+ zones which could break at least 2+ population, there are less than 25 now. It's only to be expected however. With a game about 10 years old, that's not been significantly updated and geared towards the players for over 4 years, it's inevitable that the population will drop. It'll be a few more years before the decline of players becomes more noticeable (probably 2012, because that's when they say we'll all die anyways). But there won't be another major cycle of incoming players; it's like we're still expecting the aftershock of the baby boomers, but it never did happen.
X`terrania Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 Depends on what time you took that picture I guess. Chaos usually has -100 avg on peak hours. And watch out for Inc, he might pull a spyed (lord knows he did it when he was a mod in 17th :>)
Hakaku Posted January 19, 2008 Report Posted January 19, 2008 Nah, peak hours are more unreliable than non-peak hours. The first was probably taken sometime at night (who knows), the second was taken in the afternoon EST.
»Lynx Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 i swear to god, the admins of SSC have gone to !@#$%^&*ing pot. rootbear75 with banG? nice move !@#$%^&*wads.SVS eat your heart out. Wow - Good way to get something minuscule, and blow it right out of proportion. He has level four local banG in Dragonball Z - which means he can ban locally within the zone - and if he bans for any reason which I consider to be taboo (Which is any reason other than players hacking or racism) - he loses his banG. That's our policy. I don't see what the huge fuss about rootbear75 is anyway - he's just somebody you guys like to take the piss out of - and Apache you've just used that as a way to discredit rootbear75 - he's not abused his power once since he has been staff in the zone - I personally think that if he were a little wittier about how he retorts to you people - you'd probably like him - but that isn't my problem. As long as he does his job in my zone - it's irrelevant. Also - It wasn't an SSC Admin decision, it's zone policy. Apache, when you were staff at the zone, you had banG too - I welcome any counter arguments to why rootbear75 shouldn't have banG, and it's definately not the reason Subspace is dying. Kid - if you don't know the reasons why rootbear shouldn't have bang - then I pity you - as long as it stays at level 4 - then we're all good.------------- X'terr:Note* "I welcome any counter arguments to why rootbear75 shouldn't have banG" - Maybe I should have set this into bold text or something - just so your simple train of thought could comprehend it. Enlighten me, oh wise one, to why rootbear75 shouldn't have banG - I bet I can predict a couple of your answers: 1. Because it's cool to flame rootbear - so it would suck if he had more authority than you - even if he has the authority somewhere that you never play.2. Because rootbear doesn't come up with the sharpest replies to your not so sharp pathetic excuses for flames. rootbear75 has never made a ban which was not authorised - and he generally puts time into the zone. I think a better reason to why this game is dying is players like you - and your hostility towards anybody who isn't .. "carved by god" Anyways - "kid" - what exactly would you do if he did get a higher level of banG - other than cry about it. Back to topic: You also have to account for smaller zones also gaining more population (SSCE Hyperspace) - I know this doesn't exactly outweigh the amount which has been "lost" - but I'm sure it does have a small effect on population of other zones.
»doc flabby Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) June 2006 (or before) : January 18, 2008 : The drops per year aren't significant, but there is a population decline, if you compare the last 5 year trend. Nowadays, even TW's population can fall under the 300's, whereas 2 years ago it would rarely break under 350. Rather than calling it 'SubSpace is dying', it's more that 'SubSpace's population is on a decline'. 2 years ago there were 30+ zones which could break at least 2+ population, there are less than 25 now. It's only to be expected however. With a game about 10 years old, that's not been significantly updated and geared towards the players for over 4 years, it's inevitable that the population will drop. It'll be a few more years before the decline of players becomes more noticeable (probably 2012, because that's when they say we'll all die anyways). But there won't be another major cycle of incoming players; it's like we're still expecting the aftershock of the baby boomers, but it never did happen. Interesting DSB has gained population. losing 50 pop in 18 months isn.t to bad. That gives about another 4/5 years of life left in this game. Enjoy it while it lasts Edited January 20, 2008 by doc flabby
X`terrania Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 Holy !@#$%^&*, enough dashes? If you're looking for a flame war I'm not going to bite, simply because you're a nobody. Now go fade away into the shadows, and take Dragonball Z with you.
No_Remorse Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 ... Because the epitome of Subspace sites hasn't been updated in 2807 days.
L.C. Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 Continuum needs real and serious development.Flaming in this community and on these forums need to cease, and moderation to get down to serious business with that instead of constantly just splitting topics.Continuum, Subgame, and other components need an upgrade to 64-bit compatibility.The community needs more Subspace/Continuum fansites.The community needs more zones, developers, and players.
Incomplete Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Flaming in this community and on these forums need to cease, and moderation to get down to serious business with that instead of constantly just splitting topics.That is starting to happen. And watch out for Inc, he might pull a spyed (lord knows he did it when he was a mod in 17th :>)Was a mod, now a smod and have been for some time.
Dav Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 what does it matter if root gets bang? its not like you can do anything significant till you get lvl1 anyway. Lvl 2 may have some significance but not much IMO.
PoLiX Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Now, you've all missed the most complete and obvious fact as to why this game is dying, and there is no bringing it back. 2007: Est 1.3 billion internet users1997: Est 101 million internet users Now, the internet has changed derastically over the years. It has gone from geeks, a few lucky kids, and businesses, to the general populous. Our general user base has changed, and no longer do we have people who are more willing to interact together, go out and do something cause noone else it, and have one generalized thought be pretty well accepted. That is what helped subspace thrive went hundreds of fan sites, and all the sites use to work together. SSCentral, Subspace.net, and Downloads.Subspace.Net got together and brought what you have now, SSForum.net and SSDownloads.com. Sites use to have general ideas, and worked together to get everything done. This was the same with zones, leagues, squads, etc. There we're more people who understood the responsibility they had with having moderator powers in a zone, and what it meant having them. It wasn't just something thrown around, or a few hundred players a year got. If you had been a moderator, that was something unique, as zones rarely had to change them out. Now a days, even being a sysop of a ssc zone has little meaning anymore. The playerbase has changed, and the players no longer understand that they are playing a dying game, like we did. And we decided to step up, and not let it die, and do everything we could. And it wasn't just 1 or 2, or 10 like it is now, there we're hundreds, and they we're all making zones, working together on zones, and trying to help this game thrive. This is what really makes it hard for me to focus on SSCentral like I use to. Use to I could have a new design out on a site over night. Now, look, it's taken me over a year, just due to lack of time. I have no motivation to get it done quick, as all I see is a playerbase who no longer "cares" about the game they play, it really honestly makes me care less and less. I'm not aiming this at all of you here, cause obviously, I put a lot of time into SSForum, but the general playerbase of this game. One who expects everything to be done for them, and not to have to do much themselves. So really, COTFC is probably LONG gone, and will never be around to see the death of this game, as it has outlived any of our life expectancies. But really, if people don't start stepping up and stepping on other people who are stopping them from getting stuff done, I give us only a few more years before we are nothing more than a chat program with a game built in; one very few people play.
Incomplete Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Was the game more popular when it was first released?
aquarius Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Why do I think subspace is dying? This is going to piss a lot of people off, but the power is handed to noobs. I've never 'mingled' with many people in this game. The only people I know on a personal level are the developers. Half of them quit. Wonder why? Me too. To try and figure that out I look at myself, and my own feeling to 'just quit' already. I feel the urge to stop developing for SS mainly because I need to focus more on real life. Also, in order for me to dev I have to (often times) work for an ungrateful fool. I remember my early years on TWDev. Staff had all the power and treated dev like little slaves. We went through countless 'dev leaders'. These guys were members of staff who wanted the role. They wouldn't do any dev work themselves, instead they just tried to push everyone, limit our access, kick us from the dev team, send out warnings about "if you are inactive you are being axed"... Things of that nature only send progress backwards. You can see how I dealt with such abuse, by creating SSDev. Where there are no rules, you don't have to be active, all you have to do either dev or want to dev. If your life is busy at the moment why do I care? I just hope you find some time in the future to get things going on your end. If you never find the time, thats ok, no reason to remove you from a position that has no power. In my opinion, if you want developers to remain interested, give them the upper hand. I was there when Red Star and Halo was being created, I also helped a lot. Who owns these zones now? Lets just say that they were not around back then. Thus, the owners of these two zones did not help create it, they didn't even add to the population in the early stages by playing. Now, I could be wrong about the current owners, since I don't know who they are, as I haven't bothered with these two zones since the original owners had passed. I tried. I got in touch with whoever owned the zones at one point and they were lazy, inactive, complacent, avoidant, negligent, unresponsive, unattentive, and rude. Much like many people with power in this community. In the midst of this, why do I still care? Because many zone owners and developers out there are genuine people who deserve some help in their pursuit of learning the ropes of continuum development. PriitK has ceased development. We can blame everything on him if we want, but the fact of the matter is that "if he did it, we can do it". Speaking of a new client. Theres a couple good projects going on, and I remain faithful to that. One of these years, we will see a new, open-source client. So I'd like to think subspace is not dying. A few of you are correct, we need more fan sites, we need more exposure on the internet. I can type in many varieties of search terms on google such as "free mmog space ship" "free space combat game" "topdown 2d spaceship combat" etcetera.. Nothing comes up about Subspace/Continuum.. Nothing.. Theres people on forums BEGGING to be informed about subspace, but theres no reply directing them to us. ..And legal issues? Yea.. Lots of people stole graphics from copyrighted games and use it in SS. In my opinion, let those who used another artists' work without permission face the penalty. You need to do some research before using sprites from the web, contact the creator, and get written permission. Are there any other legal issues I'm failing to realize? Bottom line in my opinion has much to do with the granting of power. Some of these guys (I wont say names publicly) seem like they are on a 12 day crack binge releasing their ego upon the masses with their power. Power is granted to those who don't care about the future of the game. Don't push the developers down, give them the ?upper hand, and you will see amazing productivity, and possibly the return of many great, retired developers. But who am I talking to? That's the problem.
Incomplete Posted January 22, 2008 Report Posted January 22, 2008 Alot of what you say is true. Not all the people with power are like that though.
rootbear75 Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Posted January 22, 2008 Are there any other legal issues I'm failing to realize?the only thing i can think of is that someone may step up and claim ss is theirs... "copyright infringement" etc..
Samapico Posted January 23, 2008 Report Posted January 23, 2008 And legal issues? Yea.. Lots of people stole graphics from copyrighted games and use it in SS. In my opinion, let those who used another artists' work without permission face the penalty. You need to do some research before using sprites from the web, contact the creator, and get written permission.Well, first, they are not used for profit. Secondly, pretty much ALL the games have a variety of mods, skins, tweaks, that include graphics/sounds/references to other games/movies, if it was a problem, we wouldn't be the first targetted I think. For example, there probably are Star Wars and Star Trek mods for every game that has anything to do with space.I'm not saying that this makes us 100% legal, I just don't really think it's an issue.
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