SSC Biller

[rootbear75]

i think you should put polix on there for the simple fact that he is the leader of the community's main central site

 

(and yes, ive heard the reason that websites should be separate from the game, but w/e)

[2pac]

Can't be bad!@#$%^&* anymore mods on me, anyways

 

Polix is a great guy this guy needs to be up there with the rest those ops.

 

I VOTE POLIX!

Edited December 20, 2007 by 2pac

[PoLiX]

I gave up my "spot" on the council 3 or 4 years ago. MTN requested I rejoin, and I finally gave in, not really wanting to mind you, but his points we're right. But, Kewlair and others have a disliking of me, and so I just told MTN to go with them and remove me, as they don't seem to want to be part of what I do, and don't want me to be a part of theirs. I just deal with Ghost Ship and sometimes MTN directly for anything I need, and it has all worked out fine so far.

 

I don't really run the main community website at the moment, as I've had little time (soon to change) to work on it (working 9am-8pm hinders that) although plan to begin spending more and more time on it and updating/redesigning the nav bar so ssdl can now incorporate it error free.

[PoLiX]

Polix>ROFL LMAO LOLOLOLROFLFOFLFLOFATFOLFOFLOL!@#$%^&*OFLFLFL!

2pacZ> ditto

 

Not quite, but close.

[Dr Brain]

Securing the biller? The biller is hosted on a server much like any zone in SS. This server is vulnerable just like any zone's server. I'm sure priitk has taken the proper steps to ensure that it's as secure as possible, but why risk it when the safe and simple thing to do is monitor who has access to it? Any time a zone shows interest in being given access, one of the council members is notified and we put it to a vote. However, to ensure we don't get 10 requests a day from Joe Subgame2ez we've set a few requirements which ensure only zones that won't fold within the next couple of months are given access.

 

That's not even remotely true. The SSC Billing firewall was added because Priit didn't have the time to secure the biller. The entire billing protocol is vulnerable. HZ, HS and Powerball all have enough access to steal every player's password and gain enough BanG access to take over the entire network.

 

And if SSC were as active as you say, it wouldn't have taken Hyperspace 9 weeks to get access to the biller when we moved servers.

[»Ceiu]

Take note kiddies: Hack one of those zones to get every subspace name EVAR!!!!!!!!!!11!!

 

 

HACK TEH PLANET!!!!!!!!!!

[Hellonearth]

Take note kiddies: Hack one of those zones to get every subspace name EVAR!!!!!!!!!!11!!

 

 

HACK TEH PLANET!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

shut up

[BlueGoku]

Securing the biller? The biller is hosted on a server much like any zone in SS. This server is vulnerable just like any zone's server. I'm sure priitk has taken the proper steps to ensure that it's as secure as possible, but why risk it when the safe and simple thing to do is monitor who has access to it? Any time a zone shows interest in being given access, one of the council members is notified and we put it to a vote. However, to ensure we don't get 10 requests a day from Joe Subgame2ez we've set a few requirements which ensure only zones that won't fold within the next couple of months are given access.

 

That's not even remotely true. The SSC Billing firewall was added because Priit didn't have the time to secure the biller. The entire billing protocol is vulnerable. HZ, HS and Powerball all have enough access to steal every player's password and gain enough BanG access to take over the entire network.

 

And if SSC were as active as you say, it wouldn't have taken Hyperspace 9 weeks to get access to the biller when we moved servers.

 

What's not remotely true? The biller isn't hosted on a server much like any zone in SS? The server isn't as vulnerable as any zone's server? At least quote a specific part when you want to say something as bold as that, especially when everything you quoted is true. I didn't say the biller was as secure as possible, I said the server was as secure as possible. MTN, a fellow council member, has already stated that the biller is vulnerable to hacking and such. Because it's vulnerable coupled with the fact that everyone and their mother wants their zone on SSC regardless of how good it actually is, is the reason zones are voted in as opposed to anyone being given access.

 

As well, the SSC has nothing to do with how long it takes a zone to gain access to the biller. The only one of us with physical access to the server is priitk, and it's pretty much common sense within all of SS that he's NOT active. And that's not going to change any time soon. Regardless, when it comes to issues we can actually handle, we're pretty !@#$%^&* active.

 

And for what it's worth, Polix, I've always thought you should be on the council and voted yes the last time we voted. There's no doubt in my mind you've only got good intentions as pertaining to SubSpace's well being.

[X`terrania]

All wrong.

 

Having billing access is a huge responsibility. People can do a lot of things with it that requires someone who is responsible and allowing people to freely access it would be devestating.

 

The billing is also vulnerable to hacking when there are no restrictions. We don't want everyone to have information on the billing server. Lastly the billing server along with server code can be used to monitor certain messages to and from the billing.

Here's an idea, !@#$%^&*ing secure the biller...get on it Mr Head of the SSC

 

nvm, you're too busy doing nothing letting 17th die and allowing corrupt/idle/worthless members continue to be on the council, wouldn't want you to get off your !@#$%^&*...might hurt somethin...

 

Holy !@#$%^&*, for once I agree with Syrus.

 

edit: Well, in all truthfulness, the only one abusing is the one heading it..Bwahahaha.

Edited December 21, 2007 by X`terrania

[Cancer+]

And for what it's worth, Polix, I've always thought you should be on the council and voted yes the last time we voted. There's no doubt in my mind you've only got good intentions as pertaining to SubSpace's well being.

 

I have seen nothing short of.

[PoLiX]

And for what it's worth, Polix, I've always thought you should be on the council and voted yes the last time we voted. There's no doubt in my mind you've only got good intentions as pertaining to SubSpace's well being.

 

There is a reason a select few of you have access to my staff's forum. I do include you on my actions, but the rest of the council, just decides and does nothing to push this game forward. Granted, that isn't why they are on there, but it use to be the main priority of most of the people on it. Now, it is just deciding who gets what, or was last I rejoined and read up.

[Dr Brain]

What's not remotely true? The biller isn't hosted on a server much like any zone in SS? The server isn't as vulnerable as any zone's server?

 

The servers on which zones are hosted aren't especially vulnerable. The firewall was added to protect the biller, not to protect the server on which it resides. Yes, DDOSes became an issue at one point, but that was (as I recall) after the firewall had already been put in place.

 

As well, the SSC has nothing to do with how long it takes a zone to gain access to the biller. The only one of us with physical access to the server is priitk, and it's pretty much common sense within all of SS that he's NOT active. And that's not going to change any time soon. Regardless, when it comes to issues we can actually handle, we're pretty !@#$%^&* active.

 

Ghost Ship kept saying he was waiting for SSC approval before giving it to us. Once he gave up waiting, we got it fairly quickly (meaning only a few weeks).

[BlueGoku]

Err mistyped that. The council votes on new zones that want access to the biller. However, a zone already on SSC just needs to let Priitk know they're changing servers and what the new IP that should be forwarded through the firewall is. We don't vote on that, since the zone already earned its SSC slot. It's not up to council whether you get to keep SSC access when you change servers. HZ for example, has changed servers like 6 times in the last few years. All I had to do is shoot Priit an e-mail with the new IP. This was even before I was a council member.

 

Maybe GS misunderstood or maybe you misunderstood. But I know zones have changed servers multiple times since I've been on the council, and I've yet to see a vote about getting access through the firewall. Heck, even when I skimmed through the archives when I joined the council I didn't see any votes on access except for brand new zones.

[Dr Brain]

We'd had SSC for at least two years. Probably closer to four years. It was completely unacceptable no matter who you blame it on.

 

Final result is that SSC biller is a dying system. If it takes the game with it remains to be seen. If there were a plausible alternative biller, I'd switch. Unfortunately, there isn't and probably never will be.

[Gravitron]

I'm a little confused about the billing server issue. Why not give everyone who hosts a zone access to it? You can't use it to pull out account passwords or take over squads nor could you do anything with your zone to change settings/cause problems to another.

Because powermongering control freaks need to maintain the illusion that bad nasty !@#$%^&* will happen unless they're in dictatorship under their own thumb's strict control.

To achieve this, they must spread and maintain paranoia.

By making themselves an elitist bunch of a closed club clique BS they make their club a highly sought-after one with more prestige and higher label.

Think about it this way: Would you prefer to goto a pub where mudnane people meet and anyone is invited or would you want to get into that pub where snobbish rich celebs goto (as if they're actually any better or smarter than you are - no they're not) and only listed names may enter?

 

It's a very old trick.

[Dav]

the SSC is hardly like that ori. Yes some corrupt ASSS make their way up there, yes some are in there now but its hardly the aim of the SSC.

[Gravitron]

[X`terrania]

the SSC is hardly like that ori. Yes some corrupt ASSS make their way up there, yes some are in there now but its hardly the aim of the SSC.

 

Are you insane?

 

So anyways, if someone was really willing - would it be possible to make a brand new server to combat SSC and its corruptness?

[Hakaku]

So anyways, if someone was really willing - would it be possible to make a brand new server to combat SSC and its corruptness?

The answer is basically yes, but not exactly possible anymore, especially with a player decline all-around SubSpace. At one point, SSZ rivaled equal to SSC. So it's possible, but unless you host good and stable zones with dedicated developpers, your playerbase will probably not increase, giving SSC the upperhand. Most previous non-SSC billers and zone hosts were never stable or reliable enough, and generally collapsed after a short time due to various reasons (money, time, priorities...), or focused so badly on getting SSC slot for their zones, that their own network wasn't a priority.

[Dav]

yeah in its day SSZ was up there and a real contender. Unfortunately the politics has changed. One thing that dioesnt help is that secruty warning that will scare the crap outta a newbie when you try to get onto a non SSC zone.

 

I agree with ori to quite an extent there, the SSC does now get very little done and the game is in need so dome life being pushed back in. If Priit would come back to continue dev and the SSC could get things going froward without corruption we wouldn't be needing this topic as a non SSC would be able to pull the pop it needs.

 

I do think there should be criteria met to get on SSC otherwise every clown will make a TW copy or a naff zone that clogs up the servers. WHat does need to change is how you meed the requirements. A stable pop off-SSC just isn't going to happen.

[»doc flabby]

If Priit would come back to continue dev

Not going to happen.

I do think there should be criteria met to get on SSC otherwise every clown will make a TW copy or a naff zone that clogs up the servers. WHat does need to change is how you meed the requirements. A stable pop off-SSC just isn't going to happen.

Accutually the problem is the design of the whole SSC system. Its poorly designed. The chat system and User Database should have been decoupled from zones. Scores should be stored locally (or centrally at a networks discretion). There is no reason why any server should be excluded from the authentication system. In real life the "copies" often turn out to be good things in there own. Why else do we have " Burger King" and "McDonalds". They both sell the same !@#$%^&*, but people prefer one or the other. The big flaw in the SSC system is its caused the game to stagante by not allowing true compe!@#$%^&*ion.

 

I've already designed a system (not written the code yet, but i will) that would allow any zone to use a Central user database without a zone ever seeing the players password using RSA encryption. Or alternatively I could use a Token based authentication scheam. Where a player connects to a biller server directly with a username and password. The player is given a token if successful. The token can then be used to login to a zone. Thus the player password never even hits the zone.

Edited December 23, 2007 by doc flabby

[candygirl]

I have yet to see Priit say that he gave up on this game. Where on this forum or any forum did he say this?

[BlueGoku]

People like to assume things, Candy.

 

Everyone throwing around allegations of corruptions in the SSC - that's a wild !@#$%^&*umption. I've yet to see any names named, or even any examples.

 

Everyone thinking population is the only factor when considering zones for the SSC - that's an !@#$%^&*umption. While it's true that a zone needs to actually have people, you know, actually playing it before it gets access, we also look at a number of other factors. One of the most important being that particular zone's staff.

 

Everyone thinking the SSC doesn't get anything done - that's a completely and utterly wild !@#$%^&*umption. Our role is to -help- move the game forward by providing opinions from basically every SSC zone.

 

Just a quick rundown of what we're doing/we've done in the past month:

- We've diffused a very serious issue in Desert Storm Zone.

- We're in the midst of adding a new member.

- We're discussing a new net-ban protocol.

- We're discussing a potential new SSC zone.

 

Keep in mind with the exception of 3 or 4 members, we all run our own zones as well.

 

Taken directly from our website, www.sscouncil.com:

 

"What is the SSCouncil?

The SS Council is a group of leaders within the SubSpace/Continuum community. Members include zone owners, network admins, billing admins, client/server developers, and Web site administrators. Our purpose is to maintain the integrity of the SSC network while providing a safe place for gaming."

[»doc flabby]

People like to assume things, Candy.

Candy, when was the last time he posted on these forums? My !@#$%^&*umption is based on the last update to gameplay (ie added new functionality that added to the playability and extensibility of the game) was over 5 years ago. I have no doubt the SSC council do plenty of things, but my argument that prittk isn't going to do much more for this game except any critical bug fixes has substantial evidence If he was still playing i'd be more optimistic...

 

Everyone thinking the SSC doesn't get anything done - that's a completely and utterly wild !@#$%^&*umption. Our role is to -help- move the game forward by providing opinions from basically every SSC zone.

 

Just a quick rundown of what we're doing/we've done in the past month:

- We've diffused a very serious issue in Desert Storm Zone.

- We're in the midst of adding a new member.

- We're discussing a new net-ban protocol.

- We're discussing a potential new SSC zone.

These are all worthy things, but none of them are moving the game forward, there are part of maintaining status quo, and keeping SubSpace going (which is not a bad thing!) Revolutionary however, they are not.

Edited December 23, 2007 by doc flabby

[2pac]

Where the f is pritt, im gonna bust a cap in his !@#$%^&*, he needs to work on this game not other programs, man he prob wants this game to just die out....

 

Edit: Priitk doesn't care about Subspace people.

Edited December 23, 2007 by 2pac