Guns in the US (again)

[ESCANDAL0SA]

it's not that easy to get out, it's actually more easier to make stupid decisions than it is to make good ones. that was what i had to face, and yea i did make good decisions, but that was in the end. i didn't start off like that. i went down the wrong path and had go work my way back. believe it or not, poverty and money has a lot to do with the decisions that young people make.

[whal]

if you let money control who you are, you are a tool. you are who you are because you are that way, not because money or poverty or riches made you.

 

the ability to make money does not require a gun, nor does it require shooting anyone. To make money it requires hard work. So those who dont want to put out any hardwork will turn to guns like the lazy and worthless gun shooters that they are.

 

(army = shoot iraq to get oil, sell oil to get money)

 

(gangs = shoot gangs to get drug monopolies to get money)

 

if you precieve money to be more than it is, money will control you and your actions. If you are more than money, you control it and your actions.

[ra$ta420]

no wut i sayin i am cool yo iz shoot peoplez cuz theyz walk on my turff it makes my rep go up yo ,no wut i sayin . count my cheeze and bang i would work but i droped outa school cuz i am ganster now i sit and wait for my welfare check ,getin payed from those fool people that work hard .go usa

[ESCANDAL0SA]

lol Whal... put yourself in the shoes of somebody who lives in poverty. obviously, they have different opportunities. what's more appealing? drug dealing and making instant cash, large amounts of it. or, going to school, possibly finishing off high school which would be a couple years then 3-4 years in college/university, before going out to look for a job. mind you, they're in desperate need of money.

 

i've been in this position before, and drug dealing is a lot more appealing. i know of drug dealers who make around 3-4k a week.

[darkhosis]

lol Whal... put yourself in the shoes of somebody who lives in poverty. obviously, they have different opportunities. what's more appealing? drug dealing and making instant cash, large amounts of it. or, going to school, possibly finishing off high school which would be a couple years then 3-4 years in college/university, before going out to look for a job. mind you, they're in desperate need of money.

 

i've been in this position before, and drug dealing is a lot more appealing. i know of drug dealers who make around 3-4k a week.

i got a job when i was 16, cause i (we) needed the money. i also went to high school. why cant you do both? who says you have to wait til you're out of college to get a job? these ppl take the "easy" way out and end up paying for it later.. if they had good parent(s), they'd never have even considered something like that.. maybe some of these folk should stop squeezing out babies for the welfare checks and at least TRY to take care of what they do have. ignorance and stupidity is to blame here, dont lay it all on poverty.

[ESCANDAL0SA]

lol Whal... put yourself in the shoes of somebody who lives in poverty. obviously, they have different opportunities. what's more appealing? drug dealing and making instant cash, large amounts of it. or, going to school, possibly finishing off high school which would be a couple years then 3-4 years in college/university, before going out to look for a job. mind you, they're in desperate need of money.

 

i've been in this position before, and drug dealing is a lot more appealing. i know of drug dealers who make around 3-4k a week.

i got a job when i was 16, cause i (we) needed the money. i also went to high school. why cant you do both? who says you have to wait til you're out of college to get a job? these ppl take the "easy" way out and end up paying for it later.. if they had good parent(s), they'd never have even considered something like that.. maybe some of these folk should stop squeezing out babies for the welfare checks and at least TRY to take care of what they do have. ignorance and stupidity is to blame here, dont lay it all on poverty.

 

a job at 16 won't be enough to pay bills, put food on your table, and a shelter over your head. maybe for you, many of those things are already provided, and working just brings in extra cash. but for others, working leaves no extra cash.

[Falcoknight]

Pretty simple answer as to why you can't do both.

If you're 15, like I am, the restrictions placed on you basically make it so no one will hire you.

Even if I was 16, last year our household income for the year was _4,800 dollars_. As a 16 year old in Maine you can only work 20 hours a week during the school year, and 20 hours a week, if you can manage to get them, will not make enough for it to be worth it when it's being added on to a measely 5,000 dollars for the year.

On the other hand, in my town it is much, much easier to acquire and sell drugs to make much more money than you would working 20 hours a week at some crappy part-time job. I plan on getting a job, and don't intend to sell drugs, but the fact remains where I live it would be easy for me to do it and would be much more profitable, and the same goes for any other kid that decides they want to sell drugs instead of getting a job. Not to mention, if you make "too much money" you no longer receive healthcare. And working 40 hours a week at burger king would make it so you no longer receive healthcare. So you would go from not being able to afford anything but groceries and gas for the car, to now being able to afford groceries, gas, and maybe a very !@#$%^&*ty apartment, but you would lose healthcare and not make nearly enough to be able to afford it yourself. The only reason my family is not in this situation is the fact we have relatives who live closeby and are providing us with a place to live. Most are not so fortunate.

 

When this is your situation, drug money, or any other money acquired through illegal means, which is obviously not going to be reported as a part of your house hold income becomes very appealing.

 

And when it comes to poverty, remember there is a big difference between having a little money/no money, and not having enough money to get by.

 

Summary: What Losa said.

Edited December 26, 2007 by Falcoknight

[darkhosis]

lol Whal... put yourself in the shoes of somebody who lives in poverty. obviously, they have different opportunities. what's more appealing? drug dealing and making instant cash, large amounts of it. or, going to school, possibly finishing off high school which would be a couple years then 3-4 years in college/university, before going out to look for a job. mind you, they're in desperate need of money.

 

i've been in this position before, and drug dealing is a lot more appealing. i know of drug dealers who make around 3-4k a week.

i got a job when i was 16, cause i (we) needed the money. i also went to high school. why cant you do both? who says you have to wait til you're out of college to get a job? these ppl take the "easy" way out and end up paying for it later.. if they had good parent(s), they'd never have even considered something like that.. maybe some of these folk should stop squeezing out babies for the welfare checks and at least TRY to take care of what they do have. ignorance and stupidity is to blame here, dont lay it all on poverty.

 

a job at 16 won't be enough to pay bills, put food on your table, and a shelter over your head. maybe for you, many of those things are already provided, and working just brings in extra cash. but for others, working leaves no extra cash.

says who? i started at $8 an hour and that was 12 years ago. child labor laws limiting hours of employ no longer apply at 16 (ed: depends on the state you reside in).

 

if you have a mother or father that will not support you, you can apply for emancipation and also qualify for food stamps, government housing !@#$%^&*istance, and other welfare programs. combine that with even a minimum wage job, and you can pay the bills, put food on your table, and a shelter over your head. there are also all kinds of shelters for anyone under 18 years of age.

 

yes, you cant afford to drive around in a pimped out lowrider with sweet rims. sorry.

Edited December 26, 2007 by darkhosis

[darkhosis]

Pretty simple answer as to why you can't do both.

If you're 15, like I am, the restrictions placed on you basically make it so no one will hire you.

Even if I was 16, last year our household income for the year was _4,800 dollars_. As a 16 year old in Maine you can only work 20 hours a week during the school year, and 20 hours a week, if you can manage to get them, will not make enough for it to be worth it when it's being added on to a measely 5,000 dollars for the year.

4 hours a day on a school day; 8 hours a day on the last school day of the week

20 hours a week in any week with 3 or more school days

Exception: 8 hours each day with unscheduled school closure for a total of 28 hours that week. (e.g., storm day, broken furnace, etc.)

50 hours a week each week with less than 3 scheduled school days, or during the first or last week of the school year

10 hours a day on weekends, holidays, vacations, teacher workshop days

No more than 6 days in a row

 

The following are exempt from all of the State hourly restrictions:

(snip)

*****A minor who is legally emancipated.

 

And working 40 hours a week at burger king would make it so you no longer receive healthcare

and this is just plain wrong. if you work 40 hours a week that means that burger king is required to give you healthcare, as you're a full time worker. the trick is to stop them from working you 35 hours a week.

Edited December 26, 2007 by darkhosis

[Bak]

since when do companies have to give their full-time workers health care?

[ThunderJam]

but the kids you're talking about...how likely is that they'll go ride and die with a gang? not too likely. it's just an act, an imitation. i'm talking about the real deal. i'm surrounded by this daily. i see kids as young as 13 years old who would literally kill somebody if they got pissed off. there's a difference between acting that way and living the lifestyle. unfortunately, the area you're in, you don't see a lot of that. if you did see it, you would see the difference automatically. i didn't grow up a nice neighborhood, i went to one of the poorest schools in the area, but it wasn't that bad compared to many other places. many people try to put on that hard tough image, but that was how i grew up. i got into so many fights. here's the difference: the kids in your area are more likely to back out of a serious fight than me. when it comes down to it, fists start flying, knives show up, i can guarantee that the people you're talkng about would run.

 

Yes i completely agree with you. However the fact that well off kids are acting this way is 100% supportive of my argument. I can understand people in real poverty behaving slightly worse in some situations. However these kids have no excuse to act like brainless fools. No excuse not to get good grades. No excuse to be in detention every third day. Yet this happens. Thats the problem. THEY ARE THE ONES making discrimnation against blacks continue. They have a simple opportunity to make something of themselves, but rather they choose to act like a bunch of fools. All your poverty stricken blacks would say "well if only i lived in a better area" as an excuse for their actions. But look wat the kids in better areas are acting like. Thats the problem.

[ThunderJam]

Double post.

 

As to getting a job. Yes most kids can get a job at age 16, but yes it wouldn't be enough to pay the bills. BUT WHY SHOULD IT HAVE TO? No sixteen year old should have to pay his families bills, provide their main income. IF they do, its cuz their parents aren't doing !@#$%^&*.

 

And now look at the black culture we're talking about. If theyre parents aren't doing !@#$%^&*, judging by their character, they are more likely to simply use their parents as a excuse for them to screw around with their lives. They'll get in some fights, not care abotu school, and if someone calls them out on it, they can fall back on "you don't know wat my life is like, look at my parents." However by not trying to get a job, they are setting themselves up to be just like their parents. It's not ending...

[darkhosis]

since when do companies have to give their full-time workers health care?

in texas, any employer with over 1 employee is required to give "full time employees" (generally 40+ hours a week, doesnt include seasonal workers) health insurance benefits. i guarantee you that all USA full time employees at burger king receive health insurance benefits.

[Wild Luck]

ok i live in Dominican Republic and since we are all inmigrants cause all indians were killed back on 1500, we have all kind of races, and you can see white, blonde, people with blue eyes begging on the street.

 

Mayor crimes like stealing and armed robberies are not made by black people, most are just mixed races.

 

I think mayor crimes are done by the poorest people and if in USA the poorest people is black, then the black would do it. But i dont think all black are criminals. If racist people stopped beein racist and they let black african americans go up to the rich class, they wouldnt do crimes.

 

And the USA media is racist, they give so much broadcast to african americans problems compared to white people

 

There is not 1 single black african american on the fbi top 10 most wanted fugitives http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm

 

and only 3 out of 17 are black on the crime alert page http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/alert.htm

 

To think that there is a gene in black people that makes them bad is racist, its even a nazi thought so i advice you not to do it.

[all_shall_perish]

in texas, any employer with over 1 employee is required to give "full time employees" (generally 40+ hours a week, doesnt include seasonal workers) health insurance benefits. i guarantee you that all USA full time employees at burger king receive health insurance benefits.

 

i'm not sure if it's state law or not, but every company i've ever worked for full time will offer you optional health insurance but at a very hefty cost which doesn't make it worth it.

[NBVegita]

A post of mine from another topic:

 

I can keep going through the minorities until we are balanced with the UK. I'm not blaming a particular minority, but the fact is that out of the 298,444,658 million people we had in 2000, 38,499,361 were african americans. The statistic I used showed that if you were not black, you were under the "white" category, meaning that all other groups of people in america only total to 48% of the murders. Now we have 12,658 murders each year. 52% are committed by black americans, that it a statistic. So that means 6583 murders are committed by black americans each year.

 

So out of the 38,499,361 of them, there are 6583 murders committed.

 

Out of the 259,945,297 left, they all together only commit 6075 murders.

 

Your capita(per 1000) would be

 

Black Americans: .17098701

Rest of Americans: .02337030

 

As for black americans being the poorest, ironically they are poorer than latinos, when latinos have a higher high school drop out rate, much lower college graduation rate, the same yearly household income average, of course have a much lower hs graduation rate, and still manage to have a lower unemployment rate. Ironically Asian americans have the highest average household income. If the Latino and Asian americans can do it, sorry if I don't feel bad for the poor black americans. And to couple this guess which race is the race that recieves the most welfare? I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

 

I'm not trying to sound racist, but the fact is that if 52% of murders are committed by a minority that accounts for 12.9% of our population, it is a direct result that our murder rate would be lower if that minority population was lower.

 

Also most retail and food service companies are known for having more affordable benefits than most companies.

 

When I was a manager in retail I had full medical, dental, vision and life for under $25 a month.

[AstroProdigy]

And the USA media is racist' date=' they give so much broadcast to african americans problems compared to white[/quote']

Don't forget how they are quick to cover a blond girl's abduction from start to finish on every news channel, but you can't find anything about a little black or hispanic girl's abduction. Don't blame the media, though. We let it be run simply like a business and then they give us what we want and most Americans want their racism subtly reinforced by the media.