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all_shall_perish Newbie

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I've been seeing a lot of coverage concerning this movie in the media and am surprised that nobody has mentioned anything on here yet.

 

A news article which sums up the "controversy" can be found here:

Jeannie Babb Taylor: The Golden Comp!@#$%^&* -- Pointing kids to atheism?

 

I myself, if not obvious by now, am against nearly all organized religions. I find the argument the Catholic/Christian community is using to be somewhat ridiculous and nearly conspiracy theory like. I don't really think the movie (or the book) is out to get Christians or Catholics at all but is just presenting another side to the argument. I would think that people like the Catholic league and others would be more than happy to present the other side of the argument. At least, the "different view" of things is always the argument used when they attempt to bring the creationism/intelligent design ideas into public schools. So I suppose those communities REALLY only care about the other side of the story when that story is their faith.

 

In the case of children being "baited" into seeing the movie, I think that's also a silly idea. Being anti-religious, if I did have children and they wanted to go see a religious movie, say, the Chronicles of Narnia, I wouldn't have an issue with that. I would encourage them to see that movie. I don't really want to be the determining factor behind what my children believe in when it comes to religion, I want them to be able to decide for themselves. I'd say the churches telling people not to see the movies and read the books because they have "atheist" agendas is no better than !@#$%^&*embling those books and movies into a pile and setting fire to them. It's almost as if the churches are afraid of something, like this single movie will debunk their entire faith.

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Bak Newbie

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It's easy to make children believe anything you want (santa claus, monsters under bed), so we should be more careful with what we present to them. it's not a good thing when religions try to brainwash kids and it's not a good thing when atheists try to brainwash kids either. Let them get older and get some mental capacity before we throw these large issues onto them.
rootbear75 Newbie

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there are numerous facebook groups concerning this

i read every single "boycot the movie" group on facebook, read each of their descriptions and i have something to say

 

WARNING: Explicit language

OMG... SOMEONES KILLING GOD?

who the !@#$%^&* cares.. its a fictional movie you !@#$%^&*ing idiots... get a life and why dont you go preach about something else

 

your !@#$%^&*ing hypocrites cause when the passion of the Christ came out, you were all like OOOOOh... the movies a masterpiece (EVEN THOUGH IT MADE JEWS LOOK BAD)

 

oh, now here comes a movie that _MIGHT_ insult the oh mighty god of the christians, you got to go and get all high and mighty saying OH NO, in the final book he kills god

1) THIS IS NOT THE FINAL BOOK, ITS ONLY THE FIRST ONE

2) STOP BEING !@#$%^&*ING HYPOCRITES

 

!@#$%^&*

 

i jut had to get that off my chest... i hate religious ASSS who do this

 

FOUR WORDS FOR ANY OF YOU CHRISTIANS OUT THERE:

GET

A

!@#$%^&*ING

LIFE

this is a rant more than anything else, but my basic opinion on it is that they were like "OH, the passion was the best movie ever, it insults jews, but it glorifies our lord and savior"

but then this comes out, and they are like "OMG, at the end of the triliogy, a boy and a girl KILL god.. lets make a big deal about this as we are attention seeking ASSS like attraction and JDS"

 

1) get a f@&!ing life you F#*%ing hypocrites

2) ITS A F*#&ING MOVIE

3) EVER HEARD OF FREE SPEECH?!

4) Did i mention you are F*#&ing hypocrites?

X`terrania Newbie

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but then this comes out, and they are like "OMG, at the end of the triliogy, a boy and a girl KILL god.. lets make a big deal about this as we are attention seeking ASSS like attraction, rootbear75 and JDS"

 

Has anyone here read The Golden compass And would they recommend it to me? I'm reading the Dune series right now :>

WongKonPow Newbie

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I'm a christian, honestly I don't mind. If Christians have the right to have movies about what they believe, then so should athieists, muslims, etc. Now, I won't be watching the movie, cuz giving my money to something that insults my faith isn't really logical. It would be stupid to sit down for an hour and a half and be blasted with how what I believe is wrong(which is why I might just watch it on the internet for free biggrin.gif ). In the same way, the church shouldn't be telling people what to do, it has a bad habit of doing so. Keep in mind, not all Christians are bigots and close-minded "F*#&ing hypocrites" Edited by WongKonPow
Dav Newbie

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The problem is that ultra-conservative Christians wish to purge all anti-religious thinking from the face of the earth. I would put money on there people being the same ones as those trying to ban the teaching of evolution in schools.

 

These people are a very loud minority. The majority of people have no problem with this but few of this group speak out. This leads to the minority getting their opinion out there but few people actually bothering to listen to them.

ThunderJam Newbie

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Well me even saying this won't matter cuz your going to say the bible is stories but...

 

Coming back from death was conquering death and thus satan in a sense.

He resisted Satan while he spent time in the wilderness.

He cast demons out of several people, which defeating something from satan.

rootbear75 Newbie

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Keep in mind, not all Christians are bigots and close-minded "F*#&ing hypocrites"

never said you were

BUT your religion gets mixed in with the re!@#$%^&*ed christians who do this like that military funeral thing that PoLiX posted up

Dav Newbie

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Another effect of the loud minority. The minority will belong to a group. People will later !@#$%^&*ociate that opinion with the whole group.

 

Islam is an example of this that most will relate to. A few extremists out there spread their destroy the west message. It gets into the media and people believe all Muslims are terrorists. I'm sure we all know that this simply isn't true, in fact its very far from the truth BUT people out there do believe this because of the media's one-sided coverage.

 

The same effect occurs for these Christian groups. The media reports the !@#$%^&* out of it, people react by labelling all Christians as having that opinion and the whole thing is blown way out of proportion.

nikegurl637 Newbie

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Has anyone here read The Golden compass And would they recommend it to me? I'm reading the Dune series right now :>

 

I've read the entire His Dark Materials trilogy (The Golden Comp!@#$%^&* being the first book), and I highly recommend them to people who like fantasy novels. His books are masterpieces. As to this topic, I was raised Christian and I have nothing against the books. It's just a fantasy novel, regardless of the fact that the author is an extreme atheist. I think the Catholics raising such a fuss about a movie is ridiculous. The director himself commented that the religious themes of the books are very watered down in the movie, so to reach out to all audiences. It's not like they're making this movie to brainwash children, they're making it for money, and hoping that the movie is as great of a hit as Lord of the Rings.

 

As to rootbear, I'm honestly a little bit offended. Telling off every Christian here even though they might not have the same viewpoints as a few fanatics? Seems almost like the same thing you're accusing the religious bigots of, in a way. =/ No offense intended really, just kind of want you to think before you write:

 

FOUR WORDS FOR ANY OF YOU CHRISTIANS OUT THERE:

GET

A

!@#$%^&*ING

LIFE

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rootbear75 Newbie

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As to rootbear, I'm honestly a little bit offended. Telling off every Christian here even though they might not have the same viewpoints as a few fanatics? Seems almost like the same thing you're accusing the religious bigots of, in a way. =/ No offense intended really, just kind of want you to think before you write:

 

FOUR WORDS FOR ANY OF YOU CHRISTIANS OUT THERE:

GET

A

!@#$%^&*ING

LIFE

like i said in my post

it was a rant

i am getting really tired of hearing all of this !@#$%^&* done by your religion

like i have said, there are a lot of Christians i like... its just the religion as a whole i hate because 1) its not like the church is discouraging this, and 2) the media and stereotypes...

and im sorry for offending you as i did not mean to

Dav Newbie

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2) the media and stereotypes...

 

This is the problem, the media and stereotypes give Christians that do not cause the problems highlighted in this topic but caused them to carry the label and be held responsible regardless.

Samapico Newbie

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Thats the point, if you throw an 8 year old girl in front of the chronicles of Narnia, do you really think she's going to grasp the hidden meanings behind it?

 

People are paranoid.

What? the chronicles of Narnia was a religious thing? wtf?
WongKonPow Newbie

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C.S. Lewis was a highly regarded Christian philosopher. He wrote many books on the nature of Christianity and he also wrote The Chronicles of Narnia. He was a genius in my opinion, you have to know much about Christianity to actually find the Christian connotations in the books. His symbolism and representation are very insightful.

Considering the above reaction, I assume few of you know that Lord of the Rings, also has Christian connotations. J.R.R. Tolkien was a Christian, and though he did not mean to, his beliefs came out in his writing. They are there, just need to find them.

Memory Newbie

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I just watched it tonight, I wanted to see what the big deal was. Unlike what that article seemed to indicate (I read it a few days ago so I may have forgotten parts), the movie was not so much Heretical in nature, but simply anti-Catholic.

 

I doubt most people would notice this if they hadn't made a big deal of it.

 

Dune, which I noticed referenced earlier in this thread, was far more heretical (also I liked it better). The church should have kept quiet about it, and it wouldn't have gotten any attention. As it is, the theatre was mostly empty, I think they choose a bad time to release it.

all_shall_perish Newbie

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you have to know much about Christianity to actually find the Christian connotations in the books

or just not a complete idiot considering he makes no attempts at being subtle

 

J.R.R. Tolkien was a Christian, and though he did not mean to, his beliefs came out in his writing. They are there, just need to find them.

i think the way he wrote the trilogy was rather...planned and considering he's come out on many occasion saying they have nothing to do with religion means you're looking into the books too deeply and finding things which the author did not intend in the first place.

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Bak Newbie

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I watched the trailer and was like wtf... I started talking to my mom about how ridiculous it's getting with people thinking this is atheist or narnia is religious... then she said that the reason for the controversy is free publicity. This makes so much sense and it's similar to how authors cheer when their books are banned in that everyone then wants to read them. I definitely think that's why this was made out to seem controversial.

 

I just watched it tonight, I wanted to see what the big deal was.

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I doubt most people would notice this if they hadn't made a big deal of it.

 

I know I wouldn't have bothered to look at the trailer if it wasn't for the controversy (and specifically this topic).

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