Sention Posted November 18, 2007 Report Posted November 18, 2007 How about next reset we dont hand out money to people for doing things that they should be doing for free? For example, 10mil for building a base may seem like you are repaying their work but they should be helping the zone out for free, especially if they are staff. Even if you insist on paying them for their work, 10mil is way too much for one base. Its just stupid how much abuse can be done with so much money in basing situations... its nearly impossible to base vs one of these players when you get them fielding/bricking on every death pretty much. Its frustrating basing vs people like this and its almost pointless in most cases when you have even teams. Not directed at anyone... just a simple request to keep the money in HS worth something by making people earn it.
cdb Posted November 18, 2007 Report Posted November 18, 2007 yeah this is true. we even ported behind them in the base and killed most of their people and next thing i know 3 or 4 fields are eating me. next thing i know we are bricked in the flag room by 5 or 6 bricks.. it got so bad the attacking team gave up and no one attacked until it was announced that the field whoring had ceased. kind of kills the fun for the players imo
Sention Posted November 18, 2007 Author Report Posted November 18, 2007 yeah this is true. we even ported behind them in the base and killed most of their people and next thing i know 3 or 4 fields are eating me. next thing i know we are bricked in the flag room by 5 or 6 bricks.. it got so bad the attacking team gave up and no one attacked until it was announced that the field whoring had ceased. kind of kills the fun for the players imo Well those bricks/fields are expected but im more talking about specific players that can afford to lay down 90% of the team's bricks/fields non stop due to this granted money. Thats what I see as stupid.
Suicide_Run Posted November 18, 2007 Report Posted November 18, 2007 Agreed Sent, Rep+ for you At least if your gonna give money to someone, give a smaller amount. Like I wouldn't mind 100k even thou staff should be doing stuff for the zone without getting paid cause they agreed to mod the zone.
Sention Posted November 18, 2007 Author Report Posted November 18, 2007 Agreed Sent, Rep+ for you At least if your gonna give money to someone, give a smaller amount. Like I wouldn't mind 100k even thou staff should be doing stuff for the zone without getting paid cause they agreed to mod the zone. I totally agree. Staff should help the zone for free, as should everyone else who wants to see the zone succeed. But if you insist on giving money out, do it in moderation.
*rc 1223* Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 lol agreed ^and for some reason the mods havent posted lawls
Hi-5 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 because before sention posted this topic, i handled the player who sention was talking about, making sure he would stop abusing fields.
Sention Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Posted November 19, 2007 because before sention posted this topic, i handled the player who sention was talking about, making sure he would stop abusing fields. Yes you did and thanks for that but I wasnt really trying to direct this post to any one person or one event that happened. I am just trying to prevent it from happening next reset as theres really nothing that could be done about it now.
Masaru Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 Yeah, lets not pay people with e-monies for making bases and modules for the zone. Also no more events that give any kind of money. They should work on winning the event for free.
Dr Brain Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 Players should play the zone for free. We shouldn't pay them anything at all.
JDS Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 you should develop a 'prize money' example an arcade has 'tickets' that you win, you exchange your tickets for 'x' prize win 10 events , get 10 tickets, get to pick a buyable item from the 10ticket list
aquarius Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 How about next reset we dont hand out money to people for doing things that they should be doing for free? For example, 10mil for building a base may seem like you are repaying their work but they should be helping the zone out for free. I agree that it should all be done for free, and in reality, it is. I don't know a single programmer for Hyperspace that plays the zone enough to make even 10k. So why should they have to put in -another- 10 hours to get a decent ship upgrade? They shouldn't. Also, the !@#$%^&*umption that 10m or even unlimited money can be abused in an abusive manner is nonsense. You can only brick/field like a noob but I only know one person who does that, and he should probably stop that. All ships maxed, isn't godly at all. All my ships are maxed and I still get owned. It's simple, really. When HS needs developments, and does not show any sort of incentive, there are very few contributers. On the other hand, when everyone finds out they can get 10m for a base, well, theres dozens of bases. Agreed, ten million is a little absurd, but theres only so much you can do with it, without exp, which is not granted to anyone. ahem, might i remind you that Dr Brain, the rest of the sysops, smods, mods, and jrmods, take time out of their day to moderate/develop the zone. So what if they have a "little" fun?
Aceflyer Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 I agree that it should all be done for free, and in reality, it is. I don't know a single programmer for Hyperspace that plays the zone enough to make even 10k. So why should they have to put in -another- 10 hours to get a decent ship upgrade? They shouldn't. Amen to that.
SupremeMe Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 He isnt saying they shouldnt get money, just not so much
Sharpflame Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 Then it could be limited to only the hidden item rewards instead of $10M, since the hidden items are not even THAT great, but are nice to have because they are pretty much impossible to get.
»Ceiu Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 Yes. Ball n Chain for everyone! On a more serious note, aqua pretty much nailed it. Every minute we're dedicating to making the zone work "more gooder" is a minute we're not blowing up your spaceships. Further, as developers, we have to listen to people piss and moan about everything. EVERYTHING. "Feature x sucks" "y is broken" "why isn't z fixed yet?" Peh. HS is one of the few zones that can provide some kind of compensation for doing any kind of development work. I find it appalling that the people who want to take it away are the ones that have yet to do anything for the zone themselves.
BlueWyvern Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 You want this zone to improve or not?You want lots of $? Then get involved and do something for the zone.It's not what you can do for the zone, it's what the zone can do for you.
aquarius Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 HS is one of the few zones that can provide some kind of compensation for doing any kind of development work. I find it appealing that Hyperpsace is the only zone that appreciates a developers efforts. I've helped countless zones, most of which were very ungrateful.
Sention Posted November 19, 2007 Author Report Posted November 19, 2007 Yeah, lets not pay people with e-monies for making bases and modules for the zone. Also no more events that give any kind of money. They should work on winning the event for free.Its up to the devs that make the modules/bases to request some sort of incentive or reward for what they do and if they do request it, thats fine by me. I still think people should do it for free, but if you insist, then reward. Just keep it in moderation. As for events, people play events in just about every other zone for free. They do it because its fun. I like getting cash for racing just as anyone else, but I would still play it for free because its fun. Brain said it best. They should play because they enjoy it, not because they are being paid. I agree that it should all be done for free, and in reality, it is. I don't know a single programmer for Hyperspace that plays the zone enough to make even 10k. So why should they have to put in -another- 10 hours to get a decent ship upgrade? They shouldn't.Sure, devs shouldnt have to devote time to working on the zone then playing catch up with the rest of the players to get a decent ship, but they dont need 10mil to do it either. Also, the !@#$%^&*umption that 10m or even unlimited money can be abused in an abusive manner is nonsense. You can only brick/field like a noob but I only know one person who does that, and he should probably stop that. All ships maxed, isn't godly at all. All my ships are maxed and I still get owned.I never once mentioned in my post that the 10mil granted made people godly due to maxed ships. I dont care if you have every ship maxed, i still have an even playing field skill wise. Now when you bring in the fact that you can field/brick non stop and other players cant, you have abuse. ahem, might i remind you that Dr Brain, the rest of the sysops, smods, mods, and jrmods, take time out of their day to moderate/develop the zone. So what if they have a "little" fun?I have been staff and I know its a thankless job. It sucks most of the time, but you do it because you want to help the zone you love to play in. I have no problem with staff having a little fun on their own terms here and there... its even funny to watch most of the times. But there is a time and place for everything and in the middle of a huge flag game isnt the time to abuse, no matter who the staffer is. One freq always gets the short end, and thats 20ish players leaving upset. He isnt saying they shouldnt get money, just not so muchI think hes one of the few that actually read my posts You want this zone to improve or not?You want lots of $? Then get involved and do something for the zone.It's not what you can do for the zone, it's what the zone can do for you.I do want the zone to improve. I am getting involved and doing something for the zone. I dont expect money.
Dr Brain Posted November 19, 2007 Report Posted November 19, 2007 Brain said it best. They should play because they enjoy it, not because they are being paid. I was being sarcastic. We used to offer base compe!@#$%^&*ions with no reward. We got one submission, and it looked like the guy had spent 5 minutes on it while drunk. Then we tried a reward system, and we got about 20 submissions with about 2-3 decent ones. Yeah, the drunk probably cared more about the zone. In maps, however, it's the results that count.
Sention Posted November 20, 2007 Author Report Posted November 20, 2007 Maybe we should offer alcohol as an incentive instead of money?
Dr Brain Posted November 20, 2007 Report Posted November 20, 2007 Great thing about virtual money is it doesn't cost anything for a zone admin, unlike booze.
Sharpflame Posted November 20, 2007 Report Posted November 20, 2007 As for events, people play events in just about every other zone for free. They do it because its fun. I like getting cash for racing just as anyone else, but I would still play it for free because its fun. Brain said it best. They should play because they enjoy it, not because they are being paid. I can't get a single player to come to an arena that they don't get money in. First thing they say is "I need money". I think events that everybody can get involved in, and where everyone has a chance are fair, but also events like racing, where the skilled ones get rewarded for having those skills more than the less skilled DESERVE the larger reward. My main point was, nobody is going to go anywhere or do anything unless they get money or SOMETHING for it. They get their fun from rewards more than rewardless.
Sention Posted November 20, 2007 Author Report Posted November 20, 2007 Yea... the more I hear people say it the more it makes me realize that. As long as we are going to use this system though, maybe we can tweak it a bit so the prizes are substantial enough to offer an incentive but not too crazy either
Suicide_Run Posted November 20, 2007 Report Posted November 20, 2007 I dont mind people getting stuff for making new bases or helping with dev help. Like getting those special 10m+20k exp is ok but as long as its not something like a shark slapped on with supercomputer. Like a lanc with the special reactor is fine since its not that obvious but it still good to have.
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