POLL: New Map Design

[XDOOM]

So how does everybody like the new map design?

 

If everybody is happy with it, I can make it a permanent fixture in deva with some more typical deva bases ofcourse instead of the halloween ones.

 

Let me know what you think!

 

XDOOM

[Hakaku]

I'll provide my feedback in words :

 

The map is nice and original, it adds a bit of new, and old; but definitely still feels like Deva.

 

Pros :

- The added graphics, such as the pumpkin in center is really nice.

- The map is smaller and more compact : I don't feel like I need to chase JDS half way across the universe in order to dogfight and kill. It's also easier to get to a base instead of travelling 10 light-years, but it's still long enough for the defending team to prepare itself for each wave of attacks.

- The fact that it's done for Halloween, and is all themed, is definitely THE most important thing that overrules everything else. It's for fun, so we should enjoy it while it lasts.

 

Cons :

- The bases don't seem very well thought-out in my opinion. Only the bottom right one seems best for actual flag games.

- Might also be too fast for some, each wave of enemy attacks; it doesn't allow the defending team to escape and change base if anti is on.

- The scoring thing is aweful. For Halloween it's fun to have a twist, but on the regular map, I prefer the two goals on two sides of the map, not just one.

- The safes in the center lack anti-bullet tiles in front of them. It's so easy to ball kill without trying.

- Map is too small, lacks elements of old Deva, but is better than Deva2007 map. It reminds me of an event map; and I'd prefer pub not to look like an event joke.

- There's no doors or anything special. It ruins the whole point of a few .buyables.

- Nothing screams "Deva", there's no text at the top that reads SSCI Devastation.

- Rounded tiles are interesting, but ugly >.>

 

End vote: Con overrules Pros, but as a Halloween map, fun factor overrules cons and pros. But I do like it, don't get me wrong, but I think it should be a temporary map, not a permanent one. In a future map though, perhaps a balance between this modernism and traditional is needed, as it's a drastic change overall (especially the map size)

[XDOOM]

I probably should have said this when I was posting, so I'll say it now.

 

When I am asking about the new map - want I want to know, is that if all of the halloween releated stuff is removed and we just add normal bases into it, do you like it.

 

From your cons Hak I see only these easily fixable problems:

 

1. Two Goals -> easily Added

2. LVZ - will be completely removed (including pumpkin)

3. The tiles around safe zone do need to be fixed

4. The tileset can be altered to accomdate the other tileset more (get rid of the rounded tiles)

5. People were saying there were too many buyables - i'll remove buyables that don't matter anymore and add new ones

6. Map Size - with normal bases I think this size works really nicely so I do not think this is a problem - but I may increase it by about 10% to give a littel bit more room

6.5 - I like the fact that bases stick out of the map - but also don't like it because if we do a base change, it involves more work to make sure the bot knows where the noflag zones are.

7. Antiwarp - good - you can't run so that will allow the teams a better chance to get flags and win - as far as I am concerned I like this.

8. All of the usual SSCI devastation and text will be back.

[Hakaku]

[JDS]

eh sorry for failing so bad at the map, i tried my best.

 

 

the penis things were not intentional penis's however much like penis's they look like..

[Hakaku]

Nah, you didn't fail, it's awesome as a Halloween map

 

But I don't know how I'd like it as a permanent pub map.

[No_Remorse]

Also, if you didn't notice, the goals are shaped as... penises; which may be funny to JDS and them, but promotes both the Penis group/chat, and the development zone SSCI Penis.

 

LMFAO, keep your mind out of the gutter hak.

 

I think a 10% map increase is a good idea. I'd rather see no doors and no .buy antidoor, both useless. I waste half my creds on .buy antidoor.

 

JDS, you didn't fail. I don't think that's what Hak was getting at.

 

Might as well get rid of .buy basewarp at this point because it takes 3 seconds to fly to the base anyway, which is about as long as it takes to type .buy basewarp #.

 

TBH, I think .buy warp is completely ridiculous. I'd rather not lose base because a teammate, or opponent, decides to .buy warp.

 

.buy matrix is kind of useless so I would lower how many credits you need to buy it.

 

I was wondering, can the bot be programmed to give bonus credit rewards for every time a player gets a "!" at the end of a flag game? Maybe only bonuses for W, L, G and possibly Rating, FD and KP.

[Hakaku]

LMFAO, keep your mind out of the gutter hak.

I didn't make it up though. I never even thought of it until JDS and whoever else was there kept mentioning it.

 

Logs for proof:

rasta420> i cant get in the peniss

jdS> u r not alowed in penis

(trying to get into the ball-scoring area)

Edited November 2, 2007 by Hakaku

[JDS]

im sure as soon as the cheesy haloween bases are gone and the orange is back to traditional white, the map size increased10%.. it will feel just like home

[No_Remorse]

I should have known...

[Gibbit]

ya get all that junk out of the goal area... make it so you don't have to KNOW how to get in.....

[JDS]

lol admit it , thats the coolest goal area EVER

[ra$ta420]

lol admit it , thats the coolest goal area EVER

 

once you no the way it sucks

[Gibbit]

lol admit it , thats the coolest goal area EVER

 

 

its horrible with that warp stuff... >.>

[sHad0ws]

Yes! Just change the bases and lose some of the orange in a few days

[Avast]

I started playing Devastation about a year and a half ago when Tm brought me to the zone. I even became a bot mod there for some time and hosted events and tried to bring my squad over. Some of the funnest times in that whole year were during Christmas 2006. School was out and Deva nearly had a 10 vs 10 flag game every night. What really made this a blast though was how we changed from the standard devastation bases that everyone knows to Christmas themed ones. Like a snowman, Christmas tree, and Box present. etc. It added variety to Devastation and Spirit and I think that taking away the Halloween bases is a mistake. We can have normal devastation bases for most of the year, but Halloween and Christmas only come once a year, and personally we should celebrate more holidays by changing the maps from time to time, in my opinion.

 

When I came into Devastation today I was really disappointed to see the maps gone so soon. Not only that but someone messed with the goal. The goal no longer warps you if you try to enter it the wrong way. Last night I was having a blast fighting people inside the goal box because of the auto warp feature it had. Now its just a boring box.

 

XDOOM I was actually making a joke about you in Devastation telling everyone to type .credits xdoom, because you only had 0.5 mill, because you are the owner it would make sense if you played more. Now I see you have more credits, but its disheartening to see m!@#$%^&* changes to the zone when you don't play that often. Of course its nice that you asked everyones opinion.

 

I don't mind the new map, but the bases probably need doors, and i dislike that the whole warp thing inside the goal is gone. As well we should have stuck with the Halloween theme for a week or two. Also the green base is too green for me, and same with the red one. heh.

Edited November 4, 2007 by Avast

[JDS]

haha i knew at least someone would like the cool ball thing, i was quite sad to see it go as well

 

(my greatest creation) >: D

Edited November 4, 2007 by JDS

[No_Remorse]

Lol, the map is down already? Despicable.

 

Avast, I'm glad you enjoyed my holiday themed bases(And other people's). But please keep the doors out of bases. I really see no use for them except slowing down the pace of the flag game and wasting my credits.

 

I'm glad no one acknowledges my suggestions. Thanks for the critique.

 

-EN_ARE

[Hakaku]

Wasn't even a week yet, let alone 5 days

[XDOOM]

Avast,

 

Halloween is a much smaller holiday than chirstmas/new years hence why the map was down already - plus the fact was I had time to change it now so I made the most of my time, as you said, I dont play often and I dont have time to do these things often, so I used the time I had to give you normal bases.

 

The goals were changed because the general concenseus was that nobody wanted them - from what I've read on the forums.

 

Anywho, the US thanksgiving is coming up in 3 weeks or something - if anybody feels like making a turkey, headless turkey, cooked turkey, and some other things as bases - i'm sure JDS and I can get a week-long thanksgiving thing going.

 

Then start submitting things for christmas - and we'll make sure we got something nice for that too again.

[XDOOM]

Oh, NR, forgot to mention, ur suggestions about buyables are noted - I just can't change them right now

 

When my bot is rdy I will be able to but i've having SQL problems.

[Avast]

I see well from what I can tell in Devastation a few people were sad to see the Halloween theme gone so fast. We were all looking forward to playing in the new bases some more. And yeah I liked the ball thing JDS, I think it was really great actually I hope it comes back someday lol.

[JDS]

yea i miss it, just boring without it

[XDOOM]

I've once again improved the map - made the goals a bit longer (thanks rasta), changed the tileset a tad (so its a bit old a bit new and more colorful) and I made the width of the center area longer so theres more room to go 1:1 (tm_master should be proud of me).