Researchers Knock Out HIV

[Hakaku]

lol Confess, don't talk. Everything you just said about Catholics is biased.

 

Catholics are Christians, and even among Catholics, there's a division (Eastern & Roman Catholics). Protestants are Christians as well. Just because we don't all agree on the same interpretations and functions, doesn't mean one of the Christian religions less Christian. If Christ wasn't the primary focus of catholicism, why would we follow the New Testament, or have crosses in the church with Jesus on them, or hang thousands of pictures of him everywhere? Why would we promote his teachings? Why do we promote the Holy Trinity? Why would we celebrate Easter, or Christmas? - What makes Catholicism less Christian than any other Protestant religion?

 

And no, we don't !@#$%^&*ociate birth control with the devil (perhaps you watch too much television, but no one usually immediately thinks about the devil). But it's !@#$%^&*ociated as a sin under the ten commandments.

[Confess]

Im not saying that all Catholics are the same, but the general principal is the same (However, I do think that you can be a Catholic and be saved) I believe that the catholic church has gone astray:

 

1. Catholics pray to Mary. They hold Mary above Jesus in that if you ask Mary to do something, since she is His mother, he has to do it. "No one can come to the Father except through me".

2. Most Catholic churches do not preach HOW you are saved, and thus the majority of so called "catholics" arent actually saved. (Many catholics say - I go to church every Sunday, that makes me saved right?)

3. Catholics state that the Pope is inspired by God, and thus anything he says (even if in contractdiction to the Bible) is law and from God.

4. You worship the paintings/sculptures rather then what the scrulptures are about.

5. Most people if asked will say "I am Catholic", but they are only Catholic by name.

6. Celebrating a Holiday means nothing. It just shows that you're celebrating a Holiday - God only ever said to celebrate one day, The passover.

7. Many catholics (as well as other churches) do not keep the Sabbath.

8. Their priest molest little boys.

9. Priest do not marry. (It is not good for a man to be alone - Be fruitful and multiply!)

 

I define Christian as this: One whom strives to be as Jesus was and did, and recognizes that he himself cannot do it alone, but only through God. So, he believes that Jesus died for us, and rose from the dead, and confesses it with his mouth.

 

I was catholic before I converted.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Confess

[Hakaku]

You fail at generalizing once again.

 

Catholic : The Roman Catholic Church, is made up of one Western or Latin (Rite) and 22 Eastern Catholic autonomous particular churches.

 

1. Yes, Mary is portrayed as the mother of God, for she beared Jesus in her womb. And the Holy Trinity is all 1, "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit". So you're wrong that you HAVE to put Mary before Jesus. And the m!@#$%^&* is rarely about Mary, she's just regarded as one of the most important female figures in Christianity, and the only woman to appear in the Coran.

God is above all:

When Jesus was asked, "What is the greatest commandment?" he responded with two:

 

Love God and love your neighbor. (cf. Mark 12:28-31)

 

2. How? By following the 10 commandments. Have you ever pulled out a Bible? - Jesus died for our sins, the sins of all humanity. He insisted to God that humanity should be allowed to grow as a people through their mistakes. Everyone is a sinner, no one can be perfect, or else it would have been meaningless for Jesus to die. It's why confession exists. And whether you go to church or to a synagogue or a mosque, it's to show your devotion to God. Going doesn't make you a better person, but helps you to try and get there. It's like school, you won't necessarily be the idealistic perfect robotic student, but they help you learn and grow through your mistakes.

3. The pope is the spiritual leader of the people, but is human. Human make mistakes, as is seen through relations with other religions. But the Dalai Lama is the spiritual leader for Buddhists (except certain sects), it's the same thing for him. - And laws in the Catholic church rarely change, the only notable and historical change was Vatican 2.

4. I do like wikipedia : [citation needed]

5. You can't be Catholic by name. Baptism, 1st Communion, and CONFIRMATION are the steps to becoming Catholic.

6. Not a Holiday, Christmas is a mass Easter is also a mass The Holiday was based around the m!@#$%^&* through celebration over centuries.

7. As is the same for all Christians.

8. So have other priests in other Christian religions. People sin, nobody, of any religion is perfect. "Love the sinner, hate the sin."

9. A Priest could marry, but couldn't perform the m!@#$%^&* anymore. Both Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches are the same on their stance on marriage. Becoming a priest is a devotion to God, it's not something you just do as a job, it's a lifestyle, a choice. If you want to get married, then become a Deacon.

 

If you can't recognize that humanity sins, and that Jesus died for our sins, what better a Christian are you? Jesus died on the cross with a purpose and message. If all you can do is say you're a Christian, and believe that he died and resurrected, that's fine. But you're not acknowledging why he died, got burried, and rose again. If you can't acknowledge the presence of the Ten Commandments, then you're going against his teachings.

 

 

You don't actually know very much about the Catholic religion. Catholicism is a religion; what people chose to do is the people's fault. You seem stuck on the idea that everything wrong a catholic does, represents the entire Church. Perhaps you had a bad experience, or hold some sort of grudge against Catholics, so be it, but seriously do a little looking up before posting. Sin is a part of living, you have to learn to deal with it. Forgiveness is also another part of catholicism, if not Christianity as a whole; if you can't forgive, then it's against your principal.

 

Anyhow, this is entirely side tracking the original topic. If you're not going to post anything relevant, then don't, because either way I won't reply.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Hakaku

[Maurauth]

I heard all christians have aids.

 

On topic: At the "dont sleep with someone with HIV" response. That's hardly a solution, if everyone took that approach, people wouldn't say if they did have HIV. If you really liked someone and it wasn't a one off fling, then you can just use a condom, its perfectly safe.

[masscarnage]

this isnt supposed to be a religious topic if you wana debate christianity go to the great faith debate

[rootbear75]

this isnt supposed to be a religious topic if you wana debate christianity go to the great faith debate

i was going to mention this earlier... but i just stopped reading the topic..

[Synister]

On topic: Wow.. something alot of people have been waiting for. I too hope one day they can put it to a stop.

[Confess]

Hakaku, I havnt read all of your comment atm and am extremely tired, Ill get back to the post later though, however as far as the ten commandments and rules go, I'd like to just put this flat out for you:

 

NO ONE can follow the ten commandments. Not one person. For, to even commit a sin in your heart is to have committed a sin. I believe that God gave us the rules and commandments (keep in mind, the ten commandments were given as a way to sum up the rules) to show us our fallability and His holiness, and to show that we could NEVER reach God's standard.

[rootbear75]

LOOK: THIS ISNT A !@#$%^&*ING RELIGIOUS DEBATE... GO TALK ABOUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!

 

edit: @mod: Please split the topic

Edited October 31, 2007 by rootbear75

[masscarnage]

god is fake, all hail the green blob

 

 

back on topic

 

oh and i think its great that theyre getting more and more progress with aids hopefully soon theyll be able to cure it

[rootbear75]

god is fake, all hail the flying spaghetti moster

 

 

back on topic

 

oh and i think its great that theyre getting more and more progress with aids hopefully soon theyll be able to cure it

fixed

[Suicide_Run]

Well the breakthrough for Stopping HIV right now is a start, Better than nothing and letting it spread. HIV will probably mutate to avoid the cure later one but that may happen in the future and theres no point in worrying about it now.

 

And yea, it will probably take a years before the price of the anti virus will be cheap enough for it to be distributed to people who cant afford it. Now...I wonder if they can cure AIDs.

[Synister]

U cant wonder will they, cuz they will.

 

Prediction for me is sometime in the next 5 years they will find a cure, and at first yea prices for it will be through the roof but later it will be able to be bought in your local drugstore and in 8 years from now AIDs will be like your every day cold. take some medicine and its gone

[Hoch]

Prediction for me is sometime in the next 5 years they will find a cure, and at first yea prices for it will be through the roof but later it will be able to be bought in your local drugstore and in 8 years from now AIDs will be like your every day cold. take some medicine and its gone

In or around 1984 a spokeswoman for the US Department of Health

predicated that they would have a cure for AIDS within a year or two.

Now of course that was 23 years ago and medial science has made

great strides. But I always have to think of that press conference when

I read some making a predication about a cure.

 

 

-Hoch

[»Ceiu]

I'm gonna have to agree with Chris Rock on this one

 

Sadly, I think you and I are the only ones who will understand this reference. Worse yet, he's probably right.

Edited November 1, 2007 by Cerium

[JDS]

You guys seem to be !@#$%^&*ociating the "Church" with catholiscm, which it is not. They are a church, but not the Church. There are plenty of churches and plenty of views. Catholics believe that birth control is of the devil. And Catholics also aren't considered Christians, as they do not promote what a Christian is....a follower of Christ, one whom believes Jesus is the Messiah, and believes he died on the cross. There's nothing wrong with condoms in my opinion, and most Christians will encourage them, but the promote abstinance. In marriage, there is no reason why you should not be allowed to use birth control (with the exception of certain things, ie the day after pill), but this is what I feel, and most people will give what they feel, not what The Church believes.

 

You need to understand what The Church is. The Church is the Christians, not a building, and not a domination. It is those that choose to follow the Christ (Messiah).

 

 

confess, your the smartest guy on here your exactly right. A Christian isnt a building or Set of rules, its just exactly what confess said 'a Christian follows the way of Christ' . and by all means acording to the bible christ was a great dude and theres no reason why you cant live your life like him to go to heaven, its just easy. thats what a christian is.

 

 

Now I dont think chrisitanity is correct, and i dont think god exists.

[Synister]

Prediction for me is sometime in the next 5 years they will find a cure, and at first yea prices for it will be through the roof but later it will be able to be bought in your local drugstore and in 8 years from now AIDs will be like your every day cold. take some medicine and its gone

In or around 1984 a spokeswoman for the US Department of Health

predicated that they would have a cure for AIDS within a year or two.

Now of course that was 23 years ago and medial science has made

great strides. But I always have to think of that press conference when

I read some making a predication about a cure.

 

 

-Hoch

Yeah but back then they didnt have this kind of breakthrough, did they.

Course predictions are predictions, you can never be sure but you can always hope.

[candygirl]

HIV to religions. HIV was not god made lol

[Wild Luck]

U cant wonder will they, cuz they will.

 

Prediction for me is sometime in the next 5 years they will find a cure, and at first yea prices for it will be through the roof but later it will be able to be bought in your local drugstore and in 8 years from now AIDs will be like your every day cold. take some medicine and its gone

well they are already testing vaccines, some are in level 1 and some are in level 2, so i agree with you, i think in 3-5 years we will get a vaccine.

 

I think in 10 years they will fully know and understand human genome, making it easier to create vaccines and treatments at a molecular level, but who knows!

[Synister]

yea.. you can never be sure what will happen.

[»Ceiu]

U cant wonder will they, cuz they will.

 

Prediction for me is sometime in the next 5 years they will find a cure, and at first yea prices for it will be through the roof but later it will be able to be bought in your local drugstore and in 8 years from now AIDs will be like your every day cold. take some medicine and its gone

well they are already testing vaccines, some are in level 1 and some are in level 2, so i agree with you, i think in 3-5 years we will get a vaccine.

 

I think in 10 years they will fully know and understand human genome, making it easier to create vaccines and treatments at a molecular level, but who knows!

 

Wow... I was right. No one else DID get that reference.

 

D1's reference to Chris Rock is about a bit he did regarding the curability of aids and how it will never be done. Why? Money. Companies can and will make far more money by finding a way to make you live with it by giving you a ton of medication. That, or the vaccine will be so expensive most people won't be able to afford it anyway.

 

That said, most of these diseases will probably be around for a very long time; just in the form of the common cold.

 

 

 

For those of you who haven't heard it:

That's right' date=' we got AlDS out there.

You think they're gonna cure AlDS?

 

No, they can't even cure athlete's foot.

 

They ain't curing AlDS.

!@#$%^&*, they ain't never curing AlDS.

 

Don't even think about that !@#$%^&*.

 

They ain't curing it,

'cause there ain't no money in the cure.

 

The money's in the medicine.

That's how you get paid, on the comeback.

 

That's how a drug dealer makes his money,

on the comeback.

 

That's all the government is: a bunch of mother!@#$%^&*ing drug dealers,

on the comeback.

 

They ain't curing no AlDS.

 

That's all it is.

 

You think they're gonna cure AlDS?

 

They're still mad at all the money

they lost on polio!

 

Curing AlDS? !@#$%^&*, that's like Cadillac

making a car that lasts for 50 years.

 

And you know they can do it...

 

but they ain't gonna do nothing

that !@#$%^&*ing dumb.

 

!@#$%^&*, they got metal on the space shuttle

that can go around the moon and withstand

temperatures of up to 25000 degrees.

 

You mean to tell me you don't think

they can make an El Dorado where the !@#$%^&*ing bumper don't fall off?

 

They can, but they won't.

 

So what they will do with AlDS is the

same thing they do with everything else.

 

They will figure out a way

for you to live with it.

 

They don't cure !@#$%^&*, they just patch it up.

 

Get you to the next stop,

so they can get more of your money.

 

They ain't gonna cure it.

 

Hopefully, in our lifetime,

you're gonna see somebody go:

 

''Yo, man, you weren't at work yesterday.

What's up?''

 

''My AlDS is acting up.

 

''You know, when the weather get like this,

my AlDS just pop up.

 

''But l took some Robitussin. l'm fine now!''[/quote']

[Cancer+]

Cerium, that's sad that I actually believe that.