Bricks

[Deathmonger]

Since they became one-time use, nobody uses bricks anymore. Before, we played base tetris, and now they've been made too expensive to use altogether. I'd like to make a proposal to bring back respawning bricks.

 

Why?

1. Bricks would help take care of the chronic flanking problem, since attackers could put bricks behind them.

2. Bricks would counter the ad shark tactic.

 

There were a couple problems before with bricks which was why they were nerfed:

 

1. Basing devolved to whose ad shark could brickwarp the enemy lanc first.

 

Solution: Don't let ships 1,2,8 use these bricks. They only get brick attack.

 

2. Too many bricks were laid down, bogging down flag games into "base tetris".

 

Solution: Only let ship 5 have bricks. This gives people reason to have a terr, and creates a new role on a basing team. Terrs can't rush, but can lay down defensive bricks. You won't want to go all-terr because spids will own you.

 

This proposal is intended to add a little depth back to the game, while solving a few other problems simultaneously, and requiring little programming effort. Discuss.

[Sharpflame]

I do miss infinite bricks... I loved them in base, tetris or not. Now they just disappeared, not useful because they aren't often used.

[got bounty?]

Yeah, miss respawning bricks. I'd rush with ship 5 though if that happened.

 

Then again as you stated, ship 5 is one of the worst ships at the moment.

[Evil Doom]

i disagree... just when bricks were infinite... it was a brick lame fest... the fastest ship w/ bricks won... and even if terr had infinite bricks.. i can see terr rushers bricking and look.. ppl come back here crying about terrs bricking!

 

leave the bricks as is... use it out of desperation... like some do now... even the poor ppl do it from what ive seen... so bricks being underused is a good thing!

 

We had this discussion way back when about bricks being gay... on any ship... cuz if u tried any ship can rush... from the shark to a lanc... cuz either ur fast or u have alot of energy... so bringing bricks back will just promote lamness in bases and i can see people basing less especially the new ppl that dont have either high energy ships or super fast ships!

 

My opinion is that bricks returning to being infinite on any ship is a bad idea... leave bricks as one time use items!

[BlueWyvern]

I just brick the TW and the Jump Gates... have fun attacking!

[tcsoccerman]

i used to play hs and iremember i'd get brickwarped all the time, but then when they were 1 time use they were to expensive to use once + time to go to store and buy them was to much. i think a good mix would be to make a simple ?buy brick command where u don't have to go to store to buy, and keep price high enough rich people don't buy whenever. now that i think of it the price would have to be very high. plus each ship's max brick would have to be low, as i am sure it is and doc would have known. Edited October 13, 2007 by tcsoccerman

[Suicide_Run]

If its possible....you could have a separate brick item that respawns your bricks. But in return for having respawning bricks, u cant get any rockets. Like have the item do -5 rockets. Either that or have the item negate the effects of antideath. Or you can have both things negated.

 

Seeing how rushers depend on both rockets and antideath. If you make it so they cant use either, it wouldn't really benefit the person unless they are the antiwarp guy or bounty-ers.

[tcsoccer and neptune]

i disagree... just when bricks were infinite... it was a brick lame fest... the fastest ship w/ bricks won... and even if terr had infinite bricks.. i can see terr rushers bricking and look.. ppl come back here crying about terrs bricking!

 

leave the bricks as is... use it out of desperation... like some do now... even the poor ppl do it from what ive seen... so bricks being underused is a good thing!

 

We had this discussion way back when about bricks being gay... on any ship... cuz if u tried any ship can rush... from the shark to a lanc... cuz either ur fast or u have alot of energy... so bringing bricks back will just promote lamness in bases and i can see people basing less especially the new ppl that dont have either high energy ships or super fast ships!

 

My opinion is that bricks returning to being infinite on any ship is a bad idea... leave bricks as one time use items!

 

 

Says a person in Brickwarp

[JoWie]

an other solution is to prize bricks periodically on spawn, not every spawn. Edited October 13, 2007 by JoWie

[tcsoccer and neptune]

kinda like ad (which i think is every 2 lives)

 

but change it to about 4, or maybe a TIME span instead of lives because some people would just keep suiciding until tlheir brick comes back

[»D1st0rt]

Says a person in Brickwarp

Thank you for that relevant contribution.

 

I don't think our player base is responsible enough for infinite bricks.

[Evil Doom]

im sure ad is time related not life related!

 

btw neptune yes i am in BrickWarp... thanx for reminding me

 

A while ago alot of people worked hard to try to have BW one time use... if ur complaining to have it infinite again u must be a new player... or ude know how lame it was... the idea to be able to buy brick without going to store is a good idea though... but up to D1 and Doc at this point!

Edited October 13, 2007 by 3vil

[tcsoccer and neptune]

Says a person in Brickwarp

Thank you for that relevant contribution.

 

You're welcome.

[Guest Moose Master]

The whole problem with bricks is that they warp people away, this is just annoying for the person being warped as they're not killed and can't do anything about it. The solution would be to stop bricks from warping people and use them the way they *should* be used - as a wall.

 

If you drop a brick over a powerball or other bricks the brick will have a gap where the other object is. Simply make ships have the same effect.

 

If a brick is dropped on a ship then the tiles the ship is covering do not get bricked.

 

Now you can use bricks as a defence, there's no complaining about being brickwarped and so you can have them respawn with you. Problem solved?

[Shia' Tan]

evil, you say it was a lame brick fest, and it was... but from recent experience basing games are pretty much just a lame fest in general... a spamming melee of bursts, reps, brick attacks, fields, shrapnel, and so forth... and i know everyones just going to say "well, thats just part of basing", adn it is... but if thats how its going to be we might as throw bricks back into the picture. at least it would maybe make it a little more fair for attackers... however there should be some limitations, probably a pretty short brick life, maybe only one brick per life. and i agree, brickwarping shouldnt be alowed to happen.

[cdrom]

the bricks are just fine, now someone bring back poacher box:)

[Suicide_Run]

If infinite bricks do come back, it will just make the defending team even stronger. With infinite bricks, I feel that the advance of the attacking freq would be really slow and even worst if theres flankers.

[Deathmonger]

In addition to the reasons I listed initially, the lack of bricks has made linebombing much more effective for defenders. If you recall the period after the brick nerf and before the base 3 nerf, base 3 was essentially impregnable (except for magic ad sharks) due to the bomb line. Base 6 bomblines are similar when the defending freq has its act together.

 

The terr idea was just extra credit; maybe only let spiders have them if terrs rushing is a concern.

 

Believe me I don't want to return to the bad old days of bricking. But presently there is no rational situation where anyone uses them, so the nerfing has gone too far. A command to buy them outside the store would be more practical--seems like everybody likes that idea.

[Guest Moose Master]

It seems like everyone has overlooked what I mentioned about bricks. I won't bother repeating it as you can just scroll up but I do think it is worth at least some discussion as it seems brick warping was what caused them to be nerfed anyway.

[JoWie]

I do not think it will work effectively due to lag.

 

Your position will not be the same at the time the brick is sent from the server and at the time it arrives to your computer.

[cdrom]

again bricks are fine, i rush with them using my wb

[Sharpflame]

If we wanna make bricks more useful, then the bricktime could be increased even more, it doesn't make them completely lame, and right now a field is like a super giant death brick that lasts for a long time. Bricks are pretty useless right now.

 

I don't like the "buy anywhere" idea, because then somebody with decent money who doesn't mind wasting it will buy, brick, buy, brick, buy brick while in a base, and it will possibly go to unstoppable rushers.

[gfd]

Solution: Only let ship 5 have bricks. This gives people reason to have a terr, and creates a new role on a basing team. Terrs can't rush, but can lay down defensive bricks. You won't want to go all-terr because spids will own you.

 

This proposal is intended to add a little depth back to the game, while solving a few other problems simultaneously, and requiring little programming effort. Discuss.

 

yes people could make terr a rushing ship 3vil but the solution is just do what death says here and than make it so that terrier cant buy rockets.

Edited October 15, 2007 by gfd

[Suicide_Run]

For all we know, when the new map and what not gets uploaded......god knows when that will happen but anyho. When that does happen....alot of stuff will probably change and your opinion will change.

 

Besides, I doubt brain will have enough time to tweak item settings and stuff right now.

[Shia' Tan]

now someone bring back poacher box:)