Stylez Posted November 12, 2003 Report Posted November 12, 2003 Ok for all of you who have seen my public map and wonder about it, I'll take the liberty and time to explain it to the masses. I know it looks weird and looks so big (hehe dirty thoughts), but it really isn't, atleast that big.... People belive it should be north base versus south base becuase of the vietnam war. But that was just stating that north vietnamese hate the south vietnamese and it was a time of cival war in their country. But the war was tooken part in jungles, bases, and other strange places. Which I based my map on... I was looking for more of a advanced map with advanced settings to go with it. The map and settings we have now are to novice for the pro's to play and are to easily figured out by the noobs which lead them to play the map for awhile and leave once they've found something more suiting for them. My map doesn't have the greatest tile set, but it has everything anyone could ever want on a pub map, but at the same time keeping it to the true 17th manner. My map has a total of 8 bases. Yea a lot huh? Exactly, it's for coordnation amoungst the players while flying through it. Theres the red, yellow, green, blue, and black bases which are used for flagging (also made specificly for league purposes). Theres also the grey base area which is just for fun to fly through and have mini battles in. Last theres the ball bases (orange and silver) "almost like those pokemon games... :)"but I made those in a seperate part of the map, for people who want to just play ball or flag or even fly around. theres somewhere for everyone and there can be more then one league for one map as well. It's a risky thing to change a zones map and settings so drastically, but after viewing many changes in other zones with different maps and settings and seeing the impact those changes made to those zones, I think it would be a good risk to take. Becuase the map we have now really just isn't that fun to play in ( if rated by gamepro for fun factor, we'd have one of those greenish yellow faces that looks like it's having a spasm ). I hope it gets a good friday's chance to be tested out, it's not perfected yet, but still I need a good run down to test different things out. All I ask is to give it a fare chance. All for now, thank you for your time and patience... Peace,Stylez (Joker0430/420) Quote
Stylez Posted November 12, 2003 Author Report Posted November 12, 2003 Oh also as for the ship settings, I made it to where all ships are equal in strength and abilities. Each ship is suited for it's own specific area of expertese. Also each ship is equipped with x radar and anti warp. But don't fret, I made it to where most ships lose energy very fast with them on, so all they can do is know there is a cloaker around, just not smart to fight the cloaker with the things turned on. So they have to turn it on and off, I did this so it wouldn't be to cheesy for cloakers to sneak up on people and all. Ok let me expalin the ships.... Warbird - The most simple ship to figure out, main advantage is that it can turret up to 2 people at a time. It also has x radar and anti warp that doesn't run it's energy out like most other ships. It also has a fare amount of specials to use for those sticky situations. It has average speed and agility as well. Javelin - Basically the same, it's a bit faster and has a one time bounce bomb now, it also has a rocket to use for those dire situations. Spider - Same ole' spider, equipped with bursts and portals, but now has sideway shots, so you can protect yourself from different angles all at once. It's a real fast ship with the ability to cloak and stealth. It also has emp (mines)/one time bounce lv1 bombs. Great fighter for closed in spaces. Levi - Levi is one -*BAD WORD*- of an -*BAD WORD*- kicker. It has extremly fast bullets, to make up for it's lack in speed. It also has lv3 bombs, which aren't so good to use since they make a dely on firing anything else. It also has the strongest armor of all the ships. It can lay mines and has more added bonus features to it, like a long lasting rocket for tight situations. Terrier - I love this ship, it's guns may remind you of the dsb's terrier, but with a twist, it's bombs are it's main suit and they shoot out extremely fast. It also moves very fast and has the ability to stealth, which make it a very lethal killer. Weasel - Since the jav is so popular in 17th, I made the weasel after it. It's basically the same ship with different features, instead of a decoy and a rocket it has a repel and a warp. It also has EMP's instead of one time bounce. Lancaster - Pretty much the same lancaster, with some different features, like it can lay mines, has different specials and can use x radar for as long as it wants too. Shark - I like this ship on the simple fact that it can fight from both front and behind at the sametime, which is great in those peculiar situations. It is a great defender, and can also lay mines as well as bricks, which make it a very good thing to have in a base you want to protect. It also can stealth and cloak as well. That's just a lil' bit of what my ships can do. I hope you enjoy them, I know I do Well thats all for now.Peace,Stylez Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted November 12, 2003 Report Posted November 12, 2003 the map name is? and the place to view it in 17th is? ?go ??? Quote
kentbrockman Posted November 12, 2003 Report Posted November 12, 2003 i havnt seen it, but it sounds an awful too much like gauntlet... Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted November 13, 2003 Report Posted November 13, 2003 Sorry to put you down Styles but I think I gotta say it. I could never see this as the new 17th and dont want to either :/ The map is... horrible! lol :/ Its confusing as -*BAD WORD*- and alot of newbs will get confused. Its too big for the population at the moment and reminds me way too much of EG and Chaos mixed. The ship settings are crap also :S The bullets seem small, kinda puny, and perfetic for what ships they are on, niether to they seem to make sense of how they come out etc. Even the certain ships have strange items, E.g. Lanc with thors and burst. It doesnt have the appeal nor the uniqueness of 17th! it has too much of a mix between different zones, mainly EG and Chaos. I would say try it in another zone, cause it aint going anywhere in 17th sorry :S Quote
kentbrockman Posted November 13, 2003 Report Posted November 13, 2003 the soccer game... look at the entrance to the bases. theres only one small entrance to the scoring bases. a spider will just sit there cloaked and burst. we never have enough people playing pub to get this fun. and honestly, i prefer the small population, its one thing i like about 17th. EG gets 300+ people playing.. just too much going on there. Quote
KnightPhyre Posted November 14, 2003 Report Posted November 14, 2003 It is a little large for a 30 person population. That map is the size map you'd see in a zone like Extreme Games....They have need for a map that size because they play some huge flagging games.... I'd cut down your map in half.Also...I have to say it...I like the speed and maneuverability of the levi..but the bomb speed SUX! you DO get a 10 for effort though!!! Quote
Bran Posted November 14, 2003 Report Posted November 14, 2003 bah too much :eek: shorten in down and i'll read it joker Quote
Stylez Posted November 15, 2003 Author Report Posted November 15, 2003 First off, my map really isn't that big, most zones use the whole map, but I only used whats inside the main part of the map. Plus it only looks big becuase theres lots of twists and turns. Second, the bullets got messed up some how, there not suppose to be that small. Also, as for narrow spaces and spiders, I wanted it that way so that the spider would be a more useful ship. Plus I have every ship equipped with x-radar so that should cut down on the cheesy surprise attacks, it's just most ships lose energy extremely fast if used, so you can only get a glance at whats coming your way. You say you want a small population, but whos to say you speak for the entire community? Also how would you know you wouldn't like more people? You've never played 17th with a -*BAD WORD*- load of people, plus the map would only hold so much before another map will pop up (ex. public 1, public 2... etc...). For the levi it's bombs are fast becuase it has a long delay in between firing something else. I made all the dynamics of my map fit perfectly for most ships. I put extra's on ships becuase of certain spaces the ships get into sometimes without protection. For example the lancaster, if you get up real close to it all it has is those slow shooting bullets of it's, but if you have a mini burst, that could even things up a bit, depends on the user of the ship. I really don't care about the noobies of this zone. If your a true die hard 17ther then you'll come back no matter what map is used. I made this map to attract new people and make the "veterans" want to play again. I didn't make it to keep people who only play it becuase it fits there certain needs for a zone. The zone needs a boost and my map "may not become the new public map" will give a lil' unf unf too the whole designing spectrum, instead the classic middle area and either a north and south or east and west bases. No map really is like my map, even if you say its sorta like this and sorta like that, but it isn't. My map has it's own uniqueness to it. Plus it fits 17th, makes it feel sorta like a dense jungle terrian that you have to weave your way around. All in all, don't diss a map you really haven't seen in effect yet. That's like saying "-*BAD WORD*- you guy for all your hard work, becuase I like don't like your stuff.... or something in that nature :)". Well that's all I gotta say aboot that...Peace,Stylez Quote
madhaha Posted November 15, 2003 Report Posted November 15, 2003 17th = action. This map = slow. You always spawn in the safe area. There is a clearly defined "powerball area" thats quite a way to the east. So everytime you die, you need to find a co-operative teamate to attach to or resign yourself to the fact that the other team is certain to score. Throw antiwarp into the equation and this gets boring very quickly. The interiors are the traditional maze of twisty passages all alike that you find in just about any other turf zone. The map is vast and the flag placements are immediately obvious so the game is obviously going to be very slow. Also, you'll never be able to hold all the flags because there are simply too many. Also, as with the soccer game, death = a long long trek back to where you left off. The tiles aren't particularly interesting and there are silly pictures a la diablo for decoration. Frankly I don't care how much work you put into this, you need to put more thought into it. Still, I'm sure some other zone will snap it up because its their idea of fun. *Snore*. Quote
Stylez Posted November 15, 2003 Author Report Posted November 15, 2003 17th = action. This map = slow. You always spawn in the safe area. There is a clearly defined "powerball area" thats quite a way to the east. So everytime you die, you need to find a co-operative teamate to attach to or resign yourself to the fact that the other team is certain to score. Throw antiwarp into the equation and this gets boring very quickly.I rather spawn in a safe area where I dont end up spawning in the middle of a battle and dying again and again..., or having to leave for some odd reason real quick and coming back and seeing that you've died about 100+ times... You say my maps slow, but you've never seen a lot of people play it.... I mean your jumping to conclusions about something you haven't even seen in affect yet. Yes, the ball field is a bit away, but not far, it's enough to where if you killed the entire other team they'd have to fly "omg" about 10 seconds to get back into it.... Also anti-warp is a added bonus for any ship, if someone has it on, then that's to bad for the people who want to warp now isn't it? Poor them, now they have to waste time out their lives to fly somewhere, like they weren't doing that kind of stuff already.... The interiors are the traditional maze of twisty passages all alike that you find in just about any other turf zone. The map is vast and the flag placements are immediately obvious so the game is obviously going to be very slow. Also, you'll never be able to hold all the flags because there are simply too many. Also, as with the soccer game, death = a long long trek back to where you left off. You say it's the traditional maze type map....? When it's not, yes parts are, but I made many different obstacles to go through then just twisty passages. You haven't even played it yet. Actually you dissed my map from day one Madhaha, so why would I take constructive critacism from you? Yet again you say it's going to be slow, but again you've never seen it in action. I've never seen in any zone where the action is slow all the time... Your gonna have slow moments and yet again your gonna have your fast paced war action moments... I'm not accpeting for a entire team to hold every single flag in the map... I wanted it like this so people would have to organize teams to hold off oppenents at certain points on the map. I dont care about huge -*BAD WORD*- battles consantly, just like dsb or some other zone with a flagging base structure, your gonna have times when there is no one around and times when you can't seem to get away, ever... Just like are pub now, which by the way, is just as big, it's just it has more room to fly around then my map does. A long trek back and forth with the ball...? I mean come the -*BAD WORD*- on Madhaha, its a longer trek back and forth in the bases we have now, for god sakes.... The tiles aren't particularly interesting and there are silly pictures a la diablo for decoration.Didn't I already say they weren't Madhaha? Plus those evil faces are from the evil dead movies not diablo, dumb!@#$%^&*. I didn't feel like taking time to make the best looking tiles in the world, I just wanted to see if this type of map would work in 17th. Thats why I ask for just one friday... Frankly I don't care how much work you put into this, you need to put more thought into it. Still, I'm sure some other zone will snap it up because its their idea of fun. *Snore*. I know you don't Madhaha, hence the fact all you do is complain about everyones posts on this message board. And for you to say I didn't put much thought into this is like saying you can read my mind... And who's to stay it isn't 17thers idea of fun...? I mean come on people, just give it a -*BAD WORD*-ing chance first before you start your ranting about how it sucks, ok? All I have to say for now,Peace,Stylez Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted November 16, 2003 Report Posted November 16, 2003 I gotta agree with Madhaha. It isnt 17th, its not the unique things we have in this zone. Its something else. And yeah I would rather appear in a fight then into a safe somewhere away from the fight, plus it just shows and plays like something similar to Redstar with the safe killing. Its slow because we dont have the pop for it, and this wont bring in hte pop, it will do the opposite. People play 17th to have good fun in killing and balling/flagging, and this doesnt give them that in a quick and short amount of time. Rethink the map, the settings and the overall idea. Its nothing compard to Zions at the moment. Put it in another zone, might hit big there. Sorry but the truth hurts :/ Quote
Stylez Posted November 16, 2003 Author Report Posted November 16, 2003 And your the same one who says the jav is the worst ship in the zone...? Yes all your comments have been deleted from memory Good day,Stylez Quote
Stylez Posted November 16, 2003 Author Report Posted November 16, 2003 Sorry to put you down Styles but I think I gotta say it. I could never see this as the new 17th and dont want to either :/ The map is... horrible! lol :/ Its confusing as -*BAD WORD*- and alot of newbs will get confused. Its too big for the population at the moment and reminds me way too much of EG and Chaos mixed. The ship settings are crap also :S The bullets seem small, kinda puny, and perfetic for what ships they are on, niether to they seem to make sense of how they come out etc. Even the certain ships have strange items, E.g. Lanc with thors and burst. It doesnt have the appeal nor the uniqueness of 17th! it has too much of a mix between different zones, mainly EG and Chaos. I would say try it in another zone, cause it aint going anywhere in 17th sorry :SI gotta agree with Madhaha. It isnt 17th, its not the unique things we have in this zone. Its something else. And yeah I would rather appear in a fight then into a safe somewhere away from the fight, plus it just shows and plays like something similar to Redstar with the safe killing. Its slow because we dont have the pop for it, and this wont bring in hte pop, it will do the opposite. People play 17th to have good fun in killing and balling/flagging, and this doesnt give them that in a quick and short amount of time. Rethink the map, the settings and the overall idea. Its nothing compard to Zions at the moment. Put it in another zone, might hit big there. Does anyone else here see a cliche happening here? All I was doing with this topic was explaining my map, I'm not here to argue if it's the right map or not... Like I said, just give it a fair chance, all I ask... Well thats all,Peace,Stylez Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted November 16, 2003 Report Posted November 16, 2003 There is no cliche, they both explain the same thing and I never stated the jav was the worst just the lamest and the less fun to play but thats off topic. You want to give it a chance yet so far you havnt had a single person say they like it. It wont go in pub because of the comments and drastic changes you have made. You wanna try it, get people into ?go newpub3 but dont dream on it getting far Quote
Stylez Posted November 16, 2003 Author Report Posted November 16, 2003 Actually I've had tons of people say they like it and tons to say they don't. You have no ground to speak on, atleast to me, you have no clue what my map could do for the zone, all you see is it isn't the regular 17th public map that you so love. I can't help my map doesn't fit your certain needs, but coming on a forum where the topic clearly says "Explaining my public map" and shooting down my whole idea that took so long to think out is just rude of you. I am asking for one friday, not a whole week, month or year... just oneday. Well anyways I shouldn't have to explain myself to a :newb: like you. Peace,Stylez Quote
DaKillaRoach Posted November 16, 2003 Report Posted November 16, 2003 all you see is it isn't the regular 17th public map that you so love. I dont like then regular 17th pub at the moment but I would choose it over this one. I have voiced my opinions and those of people who think similar. Just dont get angry when it dont get anywhere is what should be said now. Quote
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