interesting sig

[JDS]

Two things that are not inherited:Freedom & Wisdom, keep that in mind.

 

was reading some topic and i so happend to glance at his signature and read that 'freedom' is aparently un inherited and must be worked for to have

 

 

now the question..? why would anyone think that ..? why is freedom even on the bargaining table..?

 

now i worked in a union for a year .. i was what you call a shop stuward (basicly was present juring forman to worker conflicts as a moderator),basically just a union !@#$%^&* wanting to waste time at work by going to fancy meetings... BUT.. i did learn a few things about nagotiations and how it all works

 

i joined my former company juring a time of NO CONTRACT , basicly the old 3year contract expired and 'talks' were in the process to discuss the new contract. And for some reason someone threw on the 'table' our long term disability and tried to do away with it. Why would you even bring up long term disability as debatable??

 

of course we turned the agreement down and went on a strike and won with a more appropriate contract.

 

 

now my point..

 

Two things that are not inherited:Freedom & Wisdom, keep that in mind.

 

why would freedom have ever been put into the catagory of 'you gota fight for freedom' , or 'freedom comes with a price'

no it does not.

 

Freedom is itself Free.. but at the hands of governments can turn sour, they can manipulate 'freedom' into 'not-freedom' .. to be blunt..

 

 

the fact that a quote like that even exists and that someone is EVEN willing to quote it.Im sure the fine people of this forum read it and agreed with it because thats what you assume is right, you were always told you gota work to be free.. !@#$%^&* braveheart the movie said it best.. FOR FREEDOM!!!!!

 

 

 

however you never have to work for freedom, it in itself is always given to everyone when they are born , as soon as i take my first breath i am free. It is people who lie to you and tell you that you are not free. however it remains a lie.. dont live a lie be free!

 

 

whew . goin tew sleep

[Aileron]

You're splitting hairs. The intent of the message is to point out that the maintainance of freedom does require effort.

 

I wouldn't lump it in the same catagory as wisdom, but still, its splitting hairs. We all agree on the point the sentence was making.

[NBVegita]

Freedom is not free, nor is it inherited. Case in point, as a slave, you are not born free. You were born into slavery. If you are born into a surpressive dictatorship, militaristic or governmental, you are not free. There are billions of people in this world that did not inherit freedom.

[JDS]

you say they did not inherit freedom because they were 'born a slave' or 'born this', 'born that'

 

are we not all born the same way, from the same place, from the same everything, were all the same..

 

 

if we just realize this wont we all be free?

 

 

(aileron)

 

the wisdom thing wasnt really part of the deal at all.. just an extra word i didnt care for, course we are not born wise, wise takes time

[NBVegita]

my question is that if someone is born into slavery, how can you say they are born free?

 

We are not all born the same way, from the same place, or from the same everything. We are not all the same. The only thing that is a constant is a sperm and an egg.

[SeVeR]

i think we're all born free, but for some that freedom is taken away quicker than for others.

[rootbear75]

We are all born "free"

 

Some "free-er" than others

[NBVegita]

If you are property the second you are born, that does not make you free.

 

There is a difference between being born free and being born with free will.

Edited September 26, 2007 by NBVegita

[SeVeR]

Even slaves have freedom. They can choose to disobey their masters.

[NBVegita]

Freedom is not either choosing to pick cotton or be killed. Or mayhaps run away and be hunted down like an animal.

 

As stated there is a difference between freedom and free will.

[ThunderJam]

My thoughts went to Toby Keith's song American Soldier.

 

A bit of the lyrics:

 

And I will always do my duty

No matter what the price

I've counted up the cost

I know the sacrifice

Oh and I don't wanna die for you

But if dying's asked of me

I'll bear that cross with honor

Cause freedom don't come free

 

Seems simple enough to me, our countries wouldn't remain free if we didn't have brave men and women protecting us.

[JDS]

to thunderjam

 

'braveness' and 'patriotism' is PROPEGANDA

 

of course your country wants brave men .. and women.. going and dying and fighting because WAR is MONEY

 

 

the greatest thing you can give the rich people of the world is your patriotism and willingness to die.

 

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the thread is swaying more and more to cotton pickers? they are not even around anymore last time i checked someone fought to make that illigal... so why do you all bring it up. Im talking about you and me..

 

 

 

a quote always sticks around with me where ever i go from that book animal farm.. "we are all equal , just some are more equal than others" ..isnt that true how we look at things now a day, isnt it unnessesary..

 

 

 

 

We are the world, we are one organism, an organism at war or inslaving itself is DOOMED

Edited September 27, 2007 by JDS

[ThunderJam]

to thunderjam

 

'braveness' and 'patriotism' is PROPEGANDA

 

of course your country wants brave men .. and women.. going and dying and fighting because WAR is MONEY

 

 

the greatest thing you can give the rich people of the world is your patriotism and willingness to die.

 

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the thread is swaying more and more to cotton pickers? they are not even around anymore last time i checked someone fought to make that illigal... so why do you all bring it up. Im talking about you and me..

 

 

 

a quote always sticks around with me where ever i go from that book animal farm.. "we are all equal , just some are more equal than others" ..isnt that true how we look at things now a day, isnt it unnessesary..

 

 

 

 

We are the world, we are one organism, an organism at war or inslaving itself is DOOMED

So i check ssforum, and JDS has posted in each of the recent world threads, each post completely stupid. JDS grow a brain or stop posting. Oh, and maybe learn to space your writing more neatly?

 

Obviously if my country didn't have any brave patriots who fought for independence, my country wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be free. I'm anticipating that you will say life under british rule would still be free, even if devoid from rights they weren't giving you (im not bashing on england, commenting on the past). Fine be smart!@#$%^&*, theres plenty of third world countries can are currently oppressed and people in them couldn't claim to be free. It would take bravery and fighting to win their freedom, and therefore it obviously isn't free.

[JDS]

no

 

your wrong your brave patriots are pretty uncommon.. now your common soldier fights for lies and worthless goals (ie iraq, iran, 'war on terrorism') prove me wrong..

 

 

however your fathers originiany fought for freedom because they were sick of the tyrant rule the british banks had on them . basicly the main bank LENT money WITH intrest to the colonies putting them instantly in debt.

 

thats why america is america .. because they were sick of the bank owning them and wanted to be free.

 

now you look at america today and see that it is owned by the bank, the bank lends the gov the money AT INTREST, and the bank controls how much of the money is in circulation , the bank caused the great depresion if you didnt know.

 

 

anyway, the point is america is no better off now than it was under the rule of europeans. why? because generaly americans are stupid because they are taught to be that way..

 

its true the US dollar until 1930 (or sometime around then) had written 'worth its value in gold'

[ThunderJam]

no

 

your wrong your brave patriots are pretty uncommon.. now your common soldier fights for lies and worthless goals (ie iraq, iran, 'war on terrorism') prove me wrong..

 

 

however your fathers originiany fought for freedom because they were sick of the tyrant rule the british banks had on them . basicly the main bank LENT money WITH intrest to the colonies putting them instantly in debt.

 

thats why america is america .. because they were sick of the bank owning them and wanted to be free.

 

now you look at america today and see that it is owned by the bank, the bank lends the gov the money AT INTREST, and the bank controls how much of the money is in circulation , the bank caused the great depresion if you didnt know.

 

 

anyway, the point is america is no better off now than it was under the rule of europeans. why? because generaly americans are stupid because they are taught to be that way..

 

its true the US dollar until 1930 (or sometime around then) had written 'worth its value in gold'

Your dumb as dirt. Sure, I don't think the Iraq war is exactly patriotic. BUT THEN AGAIN NO ONE IS FRIGGIN CLAIMING THAT MY FREEDOM HINGES ON THE IRAQ WAR. Geez, come on now, I'm talking about wars of independence. Back in the day when there were empires (by the classical definition, don't get started about how you might consider the USA to be an empire) and they enslaved people they conquered, those conquered people had to fight to gain their freedom.

 

Our world is defined by greed and pride, etc. If you are bordered by other nations and maintain no military, then your going to get invaded, because others will see you as an easy conquering. Lives and war are the price of freedom.

 

AND THE MATTER OF FREEDOM was totally introduced by you. Sure I said "Seems simple enough to me, our countries wouldn't remain free if we didn't have brave men and women protecting us." The point was that people have to be there to protect us. Militia's are needed, and therefore freedom is not free.

[ra$ta420]

"Alcohol is legal need to legalize weed,I know they know, so what's the problem?

You got the gun, I got the plant that's how we solve em.

 

You got the gun, I got a plant, you got the gun, who's the criminal?I never understand them !@#$%^&* stands on the plant.While it grows on a branch, holding a gun in yo' hand?Cause more people on the earth, but illegal it's absurd.What's more evil a weapon or some herb?

 

Yo, relax and kick back, worry about real crimes.Smoking a plant? You're out your !@#$%^&*in' mind .

 

Usa the home of the brave enforced by guns"

 

 

 

We are the world, we are one organism, an organism at war or inslaving itself is DOOMED