Why Athiests Should be Kicked Out of America

[Aileron]

Whatever. I know the Catholic track record for treating other groups in a humane fashion is bad, but the athiest track record is worse - they just incorporate a secular !@#$%^&*le for themselves so that subsequent athiest nuts don't have to feel guilty.

 

And such a hands off policy towards the morality of others can be dangerous. If your neighbor thought he had a right to be a slave owner, and did take action towards becoming one, would you not have reason to act? The belief that we can all not judge each other and have peace is too simple for a complicated world.

[JDS]

have you read some of the stuff in genesis, im not sure what you see as holy and religious in it... its just stories about some dumb what would seem to be really bad acid trips

[SeVeR]

Being nice to other people is not part of any religion... it's just common sense. Yeah I know christianity says to care for your neighbor and everything, great... If it wasn't for that I would be hating everyone around me, thanks Jesus! And it's not like if other religions didn't have more or less the same values...

Do people really need that we tell them to be nice? Religions seem to be something for the dumb people who can't figure out stuff on their own.

 

'Care for your neighbor... unless he doesn't beleive in God'

Words of wisdom from Sama. You don't need religion to be nice to people, and if thats the case then would taking that religion away cause those people to be nasty and selfish?

 

Anyway, it's quite obvious that the "Caring for your neighbour" doctrine has not taken, and we should seek to eliminate Christianity for betraying itself.

[PullTripSquid]

Being nice to other people is not part of any religion... it's just common sense. Yeah I know christianity says to care for your neighbor and everything, great... If it wasn't for that I would be hating everyone around me, thanks Jesus! And it's not like if other religions didn't have more or less the same values...

Do people really need that we tell them to be nice? Religions seem to be something for the dumb people who can't figure out stuff on their own.

 

'Care for your neighbor... unless he doesn't beleive in God'

Words of wisdom from Sama. You don't need religion to be nice to people, and if thats the case then would taking that religion away cause those people to be nasty and selfish?

 

Anyway, it's quite obvious that the "Caring for your neighbour" doctrine has not taken, and we should seek to eliminate Christianity for betraying itself.

 

Many Christians deceive themselves, out of the 2 billion professing Christians on this earth it is evident that the number of true Christians are far less. Yet still it is not right for me to judge them, only God knows their hearts. Don't confuse being a Christian with being perfect Server, all humans are tempted and all Christians struggle with sin. If no one is perfect then doesn't it make sense that Christians will mess up and sin sometimes, but you judge us only by our mistakes because you cannot see our faith, as God does. Remember: the Great Book tells us that no one is righteous, not even one, and we are saved only through GRACE from God.

 

Grace: 4 a manifestation of favor, esp. by a superior: It was only through the dean's grace that I wasn't expelled from school.

 

As Christians the Bible tells us that God is so Holy that there is no way we can ever win his favor through any of our "good acts" because we are mere humans constantly tainted by evil. In other words, all Christians don't deserve to be saved, it is only through God's unfailing kindness that we are among those chosen.

 

It is a shame that many people are led astray on the !@#$%^&*umption that all Christians will automatically become perfect upon being saved, that is the goal but it is impossible to fully reach. And False Christians add to this problem. This is why the gate to the Truth is narrow, and few find it, it takes great faith despite what we see in the world.

[ThunderJam]

Edited September 25, 2007 by ThunderJam

[Samapico]

[genesis] Anything trippy?

The whole.. *poof* parts are trippy, yes... The genesis is a nice... story. But there is NO way it could have happened that way... I'm not saying it is absolutely impossible some higher being was responsible for the creation of earth, but it did not happen how it is described... Some people are just really believing it too much... like, don't make me beleive it was made in 7 days, that's just ridiculous. This thing is full of metaphors... I wouldn't say it's a joke, as someone said, but it's a story. Actually the whole Bible (and any other religious books) are in fact stories written by men.

 

Also, when I said something about science being advanced because of atheism, all I meant was that if people never asked questions about their religious beliefs and took everything in the Bible for granted, earth would still be flat, created in 7 days 6000 years ago by a giant hand. Some religious people did stuff for science, but they were considered heretics for contradicting the Bible.

[PullTripSquid]

Ok, gravity exists, most of us take gravity to be a law of science. You believe in gravity yet science fails to explain where it comes from. Take anything and try to trace it back to its very beginnings using science and you won't make it. What set in the motion the big bang? If you can believe in phenomena such as gravity, electromagnetic waves, and nuclear energy, then it doesn't seem to me a great leap of faith to believe that something created all of this. Actually it seems very foolish to deny it, yet the Bible is the only book that explains everything.

[Samapico]

Bible doens't explain much, really... it basically says: God did everything.

[rootbear75]

God did everything.

which is a lie

 

Ok, gravity exists, most of us take gravity to be a law of science. You believe in gravity yet science fails to explain where it comes from. Take anything and try to trace it back to its very beginnings using science and you won't make it. What set in the motion the big bang? If you can believe in phenomena such as gravity, electromagnetic waves, and nuclear energy, then it doesn't seem to me a great leap of faith to believe that something created all of this. Actually it seems very foolish to deny it, yet the Bible is the only book that explains everything.

Gravity comes from m!@#$%^&*

if you think of space being a big flat smooth blanket, each object makes an indentation or a bowl shape in the blanket, which causes objects moving past it to "roll" into he object

Edited September 25, 2007 by rootbear75

[PullTripSquid]

Ok samp, no matter how far back you trace evolution at one point it says life emerged from non-life. Science does not explain the true origin of life. It says these elements were just already here floating around in space. If you seriously study evolution and the conditions for everything to just line up perfectly to create life...even science seems to point to some higher being orchestrating everything, the odds were completely against life. even in your precious science. In other words: Science does not tell the whole story because it has Continually failed to tell us who created these elements to form the "building blocks of life". If you believe they were just "already there", then it isn't really such a big leap of faith to believe that God was "already here" before life began and created us into existence, does it?

[PullTripSquid]

Gravity comes from m!@#$%^&*

 

 

and where did the principle of m!@#$%^&* come from and so on to the beginning of life?

[rootbear75]

Gravity comes from m!@#$%^&*

 

 

and where did the principle of m!@#$%^&* come from and so on to the beginning of life?

you kidding right?

 

m!@#$%^&* is mass what the !@#$%^&* do you mean "where did m!@#$%^&* come from?"

ITS A PROPERTY YOU MORON

 

as for the beginning of life, i myself go to the primordial soup theory

 

 

 

and dont you dare ask for where it came from

i have seen laboratory experiments done with similar elements that were in the supposed "soup" at the time the earth began

that under the "right" conditions, life can be made that way

 

as for the big bang, just because we dont know it YET doesnt mean jack !@#$%^&*

you cant put "god" in things they haven't discovered yet

"oh, god made the big bang"

GIVE ME 1 SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT BIBLE RELATED!

CAN YOU DO THAT?!

NO, YOU CAN'T!

 

 

 

here is an honest question for all of you religious people out there.

Give me ONE shred of evidence, that is NOT from the bible, that gives credit to "God",

Until then, Shut Up!

Edited September 25, 2007 by rootbear75

[PullTripSquid]

M!@#$%^&* is a property, but what force designed this property, that is what I am asking. Science does not explain the very origins of things no matter how you look at it, the Bible covers everything by saying God created all life in the beginning. As for these laboratory experiments you have seen, it does not answer my question at all, i asked where did these BASIC elements come from. I don't blame you for indirectly avoiding the question because it is impossible to answer with science unless you make the !@#$%^&*umption that these elements were already here, it is on this belief that i challenge anyone to tell me how this is not the same kind of faith Christians have when they believe that God was always here. As far as giving you evidence, there is none in science or in the Bible. You cannot prove anything, it is a leap of faith that Christians too often get bashed for having, when you science people are no different. Edited September 26, 2007 by PullTripSquid

[rootbear75]

i never said science had the answers

i am trying to stop christians from say OH! GOD DID IT! HERE'S PROOF

 

and the reason i avoided your question was because anything i tell you, you will be like "oh, where did THAT come from"

 

History Channel, 9:00pm EST Tonight, turn it on, you might find your answers

Edited September 26, 2007 by rootbear75

[AstroProdigy]

Where did God come from. I don't think your precious bible says that and if you say "he just was" then you're just using the argument you're bashing people for using supposedly for how the compounds required for life were created even though technically you are a re!@#$%^&* and don't know science and seem to have gotten your information from www.scienceisevil.com

[Falcoknight]

Oh please.. Aileron and ThunderJam actually argue their points effectively, while you, Pull, come in here and just make the pseudo-argument that wherever science cannot currently explain something, BAM, God magicked it.

 

You know, at one point people didn't know why it rained, and I'm sure there were people who, like you, simply said "Oh well we don't understand the mechanics of it, so God magicked it."

 

Just because science cannot explain something now, does not mean it won't be able to explain it eventually.

 

I don't know why I, or anyone else, even bothers reading and responding to your posts, you've made it quite clear that arguing with you is pointless, as you don't seem to plan on using any valid argument besides "You can't prove me wrong"

People like Aileron and ThunderJam are the reason I went from being an Atheist to an Agnostic, people like you are the reason I ever became an Atheist in the first place.

[rootbear75]

Just because science cannot explain something now, does not mean it won't be able to explain it eventually.

which is EXACTLY what i said

[PullTripSquid]

If you do not bother to carefully read my posts, then please do not respond to them at all until you fully understand them. My original response was to Sama and JDS for calling the creation "trippy". My point for arguing was to attempt to explain that believing in science may indeed require a bigger leap of faith than to believe in God, being that science will never explain everything, and as a Christian, the Bible is all we need to rely on.

 

People like Aileron and ThunderJam are the reason I went from being an Atheist to an Agnostic, people like you are the reason I ever became an Atheist in the first place.

I don't really see the upgrade there man. Please do not be ignorant and listen to my points, it isn't "You can't prove me wrong".

[Wild Luck]

God did everything.

which is a lie

 

Ok, gravity exists, most of us take gravity to be a law of science. You believe in gravity yet science fails to explain where it comes from. Take anything and try to trace it back to its very beginnings using science and you won't make it. What set in the motion the big bang? If you can believe in phenomena such as gravity, electromagnetic waves, and nuclear energy, then it doesn't seem to me a great leap of faith to believe that something created all of this. Actually it seems very foolish to deny it, yet the Bible is the only book that explains everything.

Gravity comes from m!@#$%^&*

if you think of space being a big flat smooth blanket, each object makes an indentation or a bowl shape in the blanket, which causes objects moving past it to "roll" into he object

nice theory try recreating it now

[Samapico]

Where did God come from. I don't think your precious bible says that and if you say "he just was" then you're just using the argument you're bashing people for using supposedly for how the compounds required for life were created

^^

[LiDDiS]

Thunder is god bowling. IN MY OPINION.

[ThunderJam]

Lid, i love you lol

 

Where did God come from? Very good question indeed, one that the believers of every major religion still ponder, and that we may never, much like some scientific issues, have the answer too. At least until we die, if in fact there is a heaven where we may come into further knowledge.

 

Oh please.. Aileron and ThunderJam actually argue their points effectively, while you, Pull, come in here and just make the pseudo-argument that wherever science cannot currently explain something, BAM, God magicked it.

Thank you falco

 

As to primordial soup:

Check this page out. These are inconsistencies with the theory that first simple organisms sprung from lifeless primordial soup.

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/chemlife.html

 

 

And need for real evidence:

Ill quote from a website, ""It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever contradicted a biblical reference ." (6) The liberals made wild claims against the Bible a hundred years ago but now they are silent. This is not true of other religions. The Mormon claim for inspiration of the Book of Mormon has been categorically condemned by the Smithsonian Ins!@#$%^&*ute because of the fallacies shown by archaeology; this is not so with the Bible. A.N. Sherwin-White, a respected classical historian at Oxford says about the book of Acts, "For Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming...any attempt to reject its basic historicity even in matters of detail must now appear absurd." "

 

Also did you know that Christianity is the only major religion whose creation account lines up chronologically lines up with the events which science has "proven" to be fact? (http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/model.html)

 

Another fun fact, the destruction of Jericho was dated to 1580 give or take 15 years (done scientifically). And scientists, using have found evidence of a volcanic eruption from the Aegean island of Thera, which recently has been dated to 1628 B.C. (15). This would place the eruption at 45 years prior to the destruction of Jericho, at a time which coincidentally corresponds to the time of the plagues the Lord unleashed upon Egypt. The eruption is commonly thought to be a physical explanation for Egypt being covered in darkness in the plagues. Coincidence or not, that science, via carbon dating, tree rings, and other things, has found these two events to be 45 years apart, which is the same length of time that the Bible spaces between the two events.

[ThunderJam]

Thought I'd add this too. The biblical account of creation does not contradict science, they make perfect sense to go hand in hand.

 

Some of you will say "The earth couldn't be made in 7 days, we've dated things older than that." Very well, I agree with you, and it is a common concept among Christians that the 7 days of creation in Genesis 1 were not 24 hour days as we know days. The jewish word that was used was yom. Yom can mean 1/2 days, full days, or even an indefinite extended amount of time. So from the very get go, the time span of God's creating is ambiguous. Then in the third day, as described in Genesis, it said that God declared that the land should grow vegetation and plants and tree, bearing seed, and fruit to reproduce. Emphasis on THE LAND SHOULD GROW VEGETATION. It is thought that this means he didn't just make vegation appear, he allowed for it to be grown in it's natural process, which would take way longer than 24 hours.

 

Furthermore, when all is said and done in Genesis 1, the begining of Genesis 2 says something like (I don't have a bible with me atm) "Thus went the day when God created the heavens and the earth." REFERRING TO THE PREVIOUSLY CALLED 7 DAYS AS 1 COMBINED DAY? Obviously the definition of "day" is not clear, and is not what we know as a 24 day. All this being established, the fact that the order in which God created things in Genesis, correctly corresponds to the order in which scientists say things took place, shows that God could be behind everything Science has established abotu the begining of time. No contradictions necesary.

 

Maybe, the big bang, which has no scientific explanation of how it was set-off, was caused by God. Maybe that is what entailed When "God created the heavens and the earth" in the first day.

 

 

Additionally as for more non-bible based "evidence" or information in creationism/ID's favor:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designun.html

Just look at the sheer number of factors (and these are probably one a fraction of the factors, because surely there is more at work then we understand) that had to line up perfectly if things were to come to existence how they are now by the way science has said.

[rootbear75]

^

is what i mean by evidence,

thank you TJ

 

wow, all my beliefs were shot out the door...

 

and for the primordial soup, i do remember seeing laboratory experiments done, whether it actually happened, i dont know

Edited September 26, 2007 by rootbear75

[Hakaku]

Why do we believe so much in religion, when only the Western world before (contact with other civilizations since) 1500 had a concept of religion? Will God judge us based on our religion at our time of death?