Student Tasered at Kerry Event

[NBVegita]

All I know is since this event has happened all I hear are cries that the first ammendment was broken, what happened to freedom of speach?, and all of that nonsense.

 

This guy, who originally was not supposed to speak because they ran out of time, was granted permission to stand and ask Kerry ONE question. So after being granted this favor this kid decides he needs to make a political scene. After asking one question, where he neglects to let Kerry even answer it, his exact words when told he is only allowed one question were "He's talked for two hours. I think I can have two minutes.". He then continues rambling on, asking his three questions, one of them belligerantly asking if kerry belonged to the same secret society as Bush. When the students who sponsored the event asked the police to escort him from the podium, the rest of the auditorium cheered! This is when he begins yelling and becoming even more belligerant. He refuses to leave, then when the police try to arrest him he rufuses. Once they get him on the ground they ask him to cooperate and put his hands behind his back. He keeps refusing. They continually tell him that if he doesn't cooperate they will taser him. He didn't, they did. Now he's whining.

 

In a privately sponsored event, which anything sponsored by a university is privately sponsored, they have the right to exert the controls they deem necessary. He was given a favor, abused it to break the rules, decided to try to make a political statement, and is now trying to become a martyr.

 

Its sad that becoming irate and breaking the rules in a small political debate is enough to make you a martyr in this country. At least in the middle east you have to kill yourself first.

 

The first one shows everything from the start, but after he is removed from the podium the camera is so awful you can't make the rest out. Video 2 starts just when he is removed and shows a very clear view.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...h&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...h&plindex=0

[»Maverick]

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[Aileron]

The student's actions don't follow the first amendment not even in theory. Generally modern law is such that your rights' end where another person's rights begin. For instance, stealing is crime because while you have an inalienable right to pursue happiness, the action infringes upon the property owner's right to pursue his happiness.

 

Its the same thing here. The student has a right to make his own speech, but here he is trying to steal Kerry's speaking time, and interfere with Kerry's creator-endowed inalienable right to free speech.

 

I personally believe that one should not have a right to use free speech in order to speak against free speech. At very least, I view the action as an indicator of stupidity. I think that anyone who is protesting against a speech is a moron, and if they are interfering with the speaker's right to speak, they should furthermore be a criminal.

 

That being said, Bush hasn't had any of his protesters tasered, and he's had to put up with a heck of a lot more idiot protestors. I think Bush deserves kudos for atleast that much. Also, I think this event should create some understanding as to why Bush usually screens the audience a little before flying over to somewhere in give a speech.

[Samapico]

The guy is clearly an attention seeking !@#$%^&*hole... Freedom of speech doesn't give me the right to stand in the middle of the Super Bowl field with a '911 1s an 1n$id3 j0b lL0LZ!!11!1', and it doesn't allow him to !@#$%^&* up the schedule of an event, or to cry like a little girl while he's being tased for being an !@#$%^&*hole.

 

These kind of people annoy me. I'd shoot them. I also hate the people who make him a martyr with comments such as (quoted from videos.google):

 

apon close examination, it is apparent that they indeed did not read him his rights, and therefore probably werent arresting him until he started "resisting an officer" (as the charges stand)...... if he was "resisting arrest" i think he may have been more correct in his actions of outrage

If someone is shooting random people, will you go up 'read his rights' to him? wtf is that argument. And they were escorting him the !@#$%^&* out of there, not arresting him.

 

!@#$%^&*ING PIGS tasered a man who was in NO way causing them harm or threatening to do so at all. At one point the student says something to the eeftect of "ill leave, ill walk out of here get off of me" VERY INTERESTING how things progressed from there.

Look at his book, I'm pretty sure there was a WMD in it.

[X`terrania]

I've said it before, Ail, I really don't mind Bush at all. Edited September 18, 2007 by X`terrania

[NBVegita]

The ironic thing is that some of the comments I've read state that people are actually trying to blame the Bush administration for this kid getting tasered.

 

I swear people will always try to blame the government for everything.

[Bak]

he figured out the conspiracy and gets suppressed by the state.... open and shut case: don't question your government

[Aileron]

Bak, are you being serious or sarcastic? I honestly can't tell sometimes.

[SeVeR]

What convinced me of the police being correct in this instance is the fact that when Kerry said "I will answer your question", the kid being arrested interrupted him.

 

That being said, the police were pretty quick to jump in...

[ra$ta420]

You cant try and get away from pigs and not get tasered,people use to get tasered at my school all the time.

 

What did he do in the first place to get the pigs to come down?

[L.C.]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/septe...nt_tazering.htm

[SeVeR]

That article is so one-sided.

[Samapico]

rofl yeah

 

As the photo above shows, two female officers, one with some kind of gangland tattoo on her arm, seem to be smiling with pleasure as they move in to seize Meyer.

tattoo? OH !@#$%^&* THEY'RE T3H EVIL P0L1CE

[JDS]

holy !@#$%^&* did you guys watch that vid about UCLA student Mostafa Tabatabainejad

 

 

CRAZY

[Wild Luck]

In my country they would have answered the kids question and then asked if anyone had any more question to answer even more, so everyone is happy!

 

http://dailybruin.com/news/2006/nov/16/com...ds-to-taser-us/

Edited September 19, 2007 by Wild Luck

[JDS]

in my country they would have answered the kids question and then asked if anyone had any more question to answer even more, so everyone is happy!

 

yay canada ^ lol

Edited September 19, 2007 by JDS

[NBVegita]

Yes that post was biased lol

 

If you actually watch the video, after then warn him about the taserng, he for a moment looks like he's going to cooperate and starts to put his hands behind his back...then he fights his arms free again right before they taser him.

 

As the photo above shows, two female officers, one with some kind of gangland tattoo on her arm, seem to be smiling with pleasure as they move in to seize Meyer.

tattoo? OH !@#$%^&* THEY'RE T3H EVIL P0L1CE

 

rofl.

[Hakaku]

For those wanting to see a different perspective, and what happened thereafter. He was being taken away for allegedly 'starting a riot'. It's not only about the freedom of speech, but it's the fact that when they were removing him without actually telling him why he was being arrested at first. It also looks worse for the police when Kerry was asking the police to stop, and so were other students which were wondering why he was being arrested.

 

There was an excessive force used in my opinion. You needn't taser someone when you have 6 cops already over the student. - Yes the student was a !@#$%^&* once he decided to resist at one point, and not tell his personal information later on. - But asides that, the point is that we live in a democratic world. Where the main foundation is "freedom of speech", which also means allowing others to speak freely (even if the remark at hand is stupid) unless it impedes on another fundamental right (which it wasn't).

 

Kerry later made this response:

In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of responding when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted.

 

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[NBVegita]

The student violated the rules of the public forum, when asked to leave, he began screaming "WHY ARE YOU ARRESTING ME!?" before they even tried to arrest him. They were attempting to escort him away from the podium, at the request of one of the student organizers of the debate. Then he began "disturbing the peace" by refusing to be led out, and screaming loudly. This is when they attempted to "arrest him". Then he fought against that, thus now resisting arrest. He was still fighting until the second they tasered him.

 

Also what I don't think you guys understand is that freedom of speech does not mean you can say anything, anytime, no matter.

 

What else is ironic is that he came into that auditorium to specifically make a scene. He had someone there specifically to video tape his actions. !@#$%^&* the video made it onto his webpage before the local news had it. At every opportunity from the second he left the podium he yelled as loudly as he could, making as large of a scene as possible. Also google taser guns, and you will see actual footage of people being tasered, and not a single person making half the commotion about it as he did. I mean for heavens sake he screamed at the top of his lungs as loud as he could. He even tried to yell for help saying that the police/government were going to kill him. !@#$%^&*ing drama queen.

 

Also the police posted that once outside, he asked if there were any cameras, when told no, he immediately calmed down and cooperated, and even told the police that he's not mad at them they were just doing their job. According to the police report that is.

 

This kid went in there to make a scene, and got what he deserved.

Edited September 19, 2007 by NBVegita

[Samapico]

!@#$%^&*ing drama queen.

[LiDDiS]

Cops are over using tasers these days. They should be a second to last resort kind of thing (the last resort being a bullet in the face). I'm sure the cops could have over powered this loser and cuffed him with out tasering him. Edited September 20, 2007 by LiDDiS

[Samapico]

was still funny to hear him cry like a little girl

[SeVeR]

!@#$%^&* yea, they could have pinned him down and farted in his face

[Aileron]

What is annoying is that this was a textbook protest. Go to a public place, make a huge scene, don't leave without being arrested, etc.

 

"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" "Hey did you see that? You saw him repressing me, didn't you?"

 

The worse thing about this is at college campuses, all of the young hippy protesters of the 60s have grown up to be humanities professors who give instruction on protesting. I am a Penn State grad, and though I don't know the course, I do know that organizing a protest is a final project in one of the courses there. At the end of every semester, a general protest group would form in which the professors would attend and grade the students based upon how much of a scene they made.

 

It annoys me that some courses rather than try to build some marketable skills, teach students how to annoy people.

 

 

LiDDiS, have you seen any city in the past 30 years? We have slums all over the place, and the simplist reason for that is because crime is rampant because police have too many t's to cross and i's to dot while handling a suspect. Most criminals deserve as much, and innocent people tasered mistakingly can get over it. This kid for instance wasn't going to leave that auditorium without being zapped atleast once, so I for once have no pity for him.

[Samapico]

I do know that organizing a protest is a final project in one of the courses there.

That's just pathetic...