SeVeR Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 Well yea, you missed the whole point of why computer game addiction isn't a disease. If OCD is a psychological condition then it's not a disease. It is generally believed to be a disease as recently patients have been responding to medicinal cures which suggest a biological affliction. If you haven't got anything constructive to say Ducky, please GTFO.
»Ducky Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 Learn the definition of disease?I think that's constructive enough.
SeVeR Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 Actually there are many definitions of what a disease is, some being broader than others. Generally you don't accept psychological disorders as diseases and as a number of prominent scientists still believe OCD to be a psychological disorder, it isn't proven to be a disease. Although i never really expected you to understand that, i did expect you to refrain from demonstrating it. Tell me what makes you think computer game addiction IS a disease then. This should be funny.
NBVegita Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 dis·ease /dɪˈziz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-zeez] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -eased, -eas·ing. –noun 1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. 2. any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc. 3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease. 4. decomposition of a material under special cir!@#$%^&*stances: tin disease. –verb (used with object) 5. to affect with disease; make ill. it actually fits in quite nicely.
SeVeR Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 Exactly, there needs to be a physical ailment of some sort. If something is purely psychological then it cannot be a disease, but is rather a state of mind.
NBVegita Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease.
SeVeR Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 (edited) Absolutely, that is one way in which the word disease can be used, but the example "fascination with executions is a disease" is obviously not correct in the medical sense of the word. I have a fascination with certain depraved images, does that make me diseased? Of course not, at least not in the medical sense. That's why i said before that there are many definitions, some being broader than others. If a mode of thought is a disease then we're all diseased. Rather than debating the definition of disease and the revelence of those various definitions to medicine, how about someone tells me why computer game addiction is a mental health disease. -EDIT- And just for the record we are talking about computer game addiction as a mental health disease here. So you have to be sure you're using the medical term. Otherwise you might as well call anyone who has ever watched porn a mentally diseased person. Edited July 11, 2007 by SeVeR
SeVeR Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 Medical Dictionary: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/disease disease /dis·ease/ (di-zez´) any deviation from or interruption of the normal structure or function of any body part, organ, or system that is manifested by a characteristic set of symptoms and signs and whose etiology, pathology, and prognosis may be known or unknown. Now please, it's getting tiresome.
NBVegita Posted July 12, 2007 Report Posted July 12, 2007 That could still be used to intereperet the mental capacity. This is becoming a chicken and egg question. When it comes down to it, it is a matter of opinion, as there is not enough evidence on either side to make it conclusive. I would consider all mental health disorders in which your normal state is impaired due to the addiction, or "uncontrollable" urge to partake in a particular action, a disease. (Medlin Plus medical dictionary) an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors : SICKNESS : ILLNESS -- called also morbus -- compare HEALTH 1
SeVeR Posted July 12, 2007 Report Posted July 12, 2007 Fair enough. As i said before, most people would say OCD is a disease, i just wanted to point out that some people think the disorder is limited to the mind, in order to make my point about computer game addiction. Unfortunately we then got into this rather petty debate. I was defending myself because Ducky was trying to make me look like an idiot. I'd much rather debate the original topic. Back to computer game addiction, i would not call it uncontrollable. If something more enjoyable came into the life of the "addict" then i'm sure they would drastically reduce or give up their computer time to do that.
NBVegita Posted July 12, 2007 Report Posted July 12, 2007 The issue with most of these addicts is trying to find something more enjoyable. I do agree that if they can, it will end their addiction, but in most cases they envelope themselves so completely that it is almost impossible to find something more enjoyable to them. I simply don't understand that.
SeVeR Posted July 12, 2007 Report Posted July 12, 2007 True, but thats clearly a sign of social problems. The individual wishes to escape his real life because his virtual world is more forgiving. That's still a job for psychologist to help with. No medicine is required for the condition.
»Ducky Posted July 13, 2007 Report Posted July 13, 2007 Who the !@#$%^&* said medicine was required?The topic is about treatment, not medicated treatment. You all !@#$%^&*ing agree about everything but are so deprived right now of real political material that you're literally picking apart definitions and taking a stance that doesn't exist.Holy !@#$%^&*.
Aileron Posted July 13, 2007 Report Posted July 13, 2007 If I recall from my Psychology 101 class, a mental health disease is considered a state of mind which prevents the subject from adapting to their environment. That's obviously broad, but it was what was used in a basic academic classroom. If it makes you feel better how about we use 'condition' from now on. (Oh, hate to drag up an old point, but some of the more dangerous drugs can cause so much havok to the nervous system that after a certain point the user would literally need to keep taking it or they would die, unless they scaled back usage slowly. This would take very strong drugs and the user would have to be taking a lot of them, but it can happen.)
SeVeR Posted July 13, 2007 Report Posted July 13, 2007 ROFL ducky, all you had to do was read a one line post, yet you still come up with a bull!@#$%^&* response that hinges on the last few words of that one line post, even though they relate perfectly well to the rest of it. As i said before, if you have nothing constructive to say, don't !@#$%^&*ing say it. If you can read the next two lines, they should answer your questions about my post: No-one said medicine was required, mental health diseases require medication, social-anxiety problems do not. Psychologists deal with the later, psychiatrists with the former. A social-anxiety problem is not a mental health disease, therefore computer game addiction is not a mental health disease. OK? This debate is dead.
SeVeR Posted July 13, 2007 Report Posted July 13, 2007 (edited) You all !@#$%^&*ing agree about everything but are so deprived right now of real political material that you're literally picking apart definitions and taking a stance that doesn't exist. You keep dragging us back to this definition debate with your stupid !@#$%^&*ing posts! FFS... Edited July 13, 2007 by SeVeR
NBVegita Posted July 30, 2007 Report Posted July 30, 2007 Deleted irrelevant posts. Knightflame, this is not the spam lounge, if you don't have something constructive and or relavent to post don't post it here. If you don't abide by this action will be taken against you.
SeVeR Posted July 30, 2007 Report Posted July 30, 2007 NBV are you a moderator here now? Out of interest, were the posts an attempt to insult me? I'm quite proud of Knightflame, he's pm'ed me, called me an !@#$%^&*hole, posted a comment on my profile (since deleted) and been in general a very bad Christian. Thanks for being my first convert... A wise man once said: "Don't judge your success on how many screaming fans you have, judge it on how many people hate you".
NBVegita Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Yep I am a moderator here now, figured might as well be useful while I'm spending time on the forums. And actually his post was not about you, just another post ridiculously unrelated to anything in this forum.
JDS Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 NBVegita: 3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease. basicly your saying anything the general public thinks is fu_ked in their eyes is a disease.. PLEASE be more of an individual and who cares if a bunch of idiots tell you your messed up and have a disease, you are you, be your self and dont let someone else conform you to the 'mind of society'
SeVeR Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Unfortunately the definition of 'disease' has become so broad as to include things like that. When anyone in the medical profession uses the word, they of course mean a physical ailment with symptons.
NBVegita Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 I was just citing the definition of the word out of the dictionary, note I also cited it from a medical dictionary in a different post. Basically we have a disorder and disease for everything in todays day and age. It makes me sad, and annoyed at the same time.
UpC Posted September 6, 2007 Report Posted September 6, 2007 it is so a mental disease , u sta up all night and sleep during the day when u get warped into and u develop depression
Greased_Lightning Posted September 10, 2007 Author Report Posted September 10, 2007 nd u looz all abilitee to put 2gethar koheerent sen10sez
Incomplete Posted September 12, 2007 Report Posted September 12, 2007 I spent 3000 hours playing a game called Phantasy Star Online. None of which was afk hours. I stayed at home instead of going school to play this game, why? Simply because I enjoyed it rather than falling asleep in a boring lesson at school. So am I addicted? I also have over 10,000 hours on Continuum. Yet I think i'm more addicted to these forums than the actual game.
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