GundamWing immune to rules?

[Peace_Maker]

I do not understand why staff would help a squadron that already dominates grow an even bigger gap in this game. If you do not know what I am talking about this is what happened:

 

Deathboy-evil was hosting elim in pub, private freqs everyone for themselves warbird and jav only. From the time I died I started looking around at the other players at noticed that the gw players were hovering in lower center not shooting each other but firing randomly up. When there were six players left they decided to fight a little. After killing two of them it was down to four players: Zin, stoked, d3ath, and zinnwaldite fish. Zin managed to kill stoked and ran around fighting the other two for about five minutes. I mentioned it on spec freq and the rest of the players were complaining as well. This is part of the conversation:

 

Peace_Make> dude you are letting them team?

desert op> there teaming

Revulsion> DBE dont let this continue they r teaming wtf

Miss Meow> lol

Cdrom.> give em super

DaRuler> yea seriously

StoKeD> so what

Miss Meow> lmao

StoKeD> cry about it

Deathboy-e> so what?

Boldot> hes also running like mad

Deathboy-e> it's called strategy

Peace_Make> no he isnt, he is attacking lol

Revulsion> he has to boldot hes got two ASSS after him

Bobyz> its called unfair

Chocolate > killem all zin!

Miss Meow> as if they dnt team in other zones

DaRuler> its called unfair and uber lame

Revulsion> u siad no teams remember

Deathboy-e> it's not unfair.

 

It went on from there but dbe stopped answering after a couple of minutes because he realized it was unfair. I asked him what was going on in a personal message and he did not even bother to respond to me. I am fairly new to the zone and enjoy it but I do not see the point if staff are going to allow this to continue. I really enjoy playing here and wish the zone would grow, it has a lot of potential. Unfair treatment like this will cause newer players to leave because it is just not fun to play. If i continue to see this myself I will leave.

 

It was only a couple of days ago that Stoked used a wall hack and took the flags out of a room because his team could not get in for a change. The only thing staff did was get the flags back and put them back into the room. No ban at all? Come on. Give this zone a chance. Make it as fair as possible with the already difficult climb to gain money.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Peace_Maker

[Boldot]

Ok, what they did was lame, not illegal. I don't remember seeing anywhere that it was decreed teaming was against the rules. And secondly, Stoked did not "wallhack" as you so claim, he used Antideath and after the pseudocloak appeared behind the other team. Antideath is NOT "wallhacking" so if youre going to start accusing people of things, get a rational argument, bot !@#$%^&*ing and whining because wahh things didn't go my way.

[ZingyZ]

When the game began DBE explicitly told us that we can't join the same team... therefore how on earth can "teaming" be considered fair?

 

When the elim is down to 4 people and there w!@#$%^&* 3 GW ppl teaming against me - can we really say that a fair game was taking place?

 

Does GW really have to be lame at every single aspect of the game? Is being lame at flagging not enough? Their players freely use the spec glitch during games they are losing, and I don't think i've seen any of them get in trouble yet.

 

Some may say that the the elim is over now, so why discuss it? Well, this elim resulted in 2 GW people getting a total of $150k in free money. The rich are getting richer because of staff failing to keep the game within the bounds of logic.

 

d3ath got $100k reward

Zinnwaldite Finish got $50k reward

I got $20k

 

If I hadn't killed Stoked while i was getting 3v1 team-raped, then all GW members would have won the reward.

 

 

While i've made fun of TrenchWars staff lots of times for minor things, this incident which occured in Hyperspace made me realize that TW staff is 100x more professional and fair than what happened with DBE during that elim.

Edited June 16, 2007 by ZingyZ

[ZingyZ]

Ok, what they did was lame, not illegal. I don't remember seeing anywhere that it was decreed teaming was against the rules.

 

If being on the same team during elim is illegal, why should "teaming" without being on the same team be legal?

 

 

Boldot I appreciate the fact that you've been helpful for me with explaining how certain stuff in this zone worked in the while when I first started playing in this zone, but I do not appreciate the fact that you are clearly sticking up for what is not fair.

[Boldot]

Oh, I don't think what they did is commendable by any means. I totally disagree with how it was handled, and that it should've been stated that teaming would be disallowed. But as it was, it was not. Honestly, not the fairest of events that could've been hosted. What I'm saying is that you are arguing with no merit behind it, something that is going to be ignored and responded to in kind with "omfg stfu newb" and some such. I would encourage you to stay and enjoy the rest of the zone, as there is much more to it than these people and their lame tactics.

[ZingyZ]

Oh, I don't think what they did is commendable by any means. I totally disagree with how it was handled, and that it should've been stated that teaming would be disallowed. But as it was, it was not. Honestly, not the fairest of events that could've been hosted. What I'm saying is that you are arguing with no merit behind it, something that is going to be ignored and responded to in kind with "omfg stfu newb" and some such. I would encourage you to stay and enjoy the rest of the zone, as there is much more to it than these people and their lame tactics.

 

Before the game began, he also did not state that hiding was illegal. Halfway through the game he DID say that hiding is illegal.

 

So when it was down to 4 people and it was obvious I was getting teamed 3v1, he could have EASILY said "no teaming".

 

He decided, instead, to give his own squad the advantage and not say teaming is illegal.

 

Along with the power of being staff comes the responsibility to use it fairly. This was certainly not the case today.

 

Elim is inherently a "solo" game, I really can't see how 3v1 teaming can be justified. If teaming was allowed, then we would have been allowed to join the same team.

[Boldot]

I didn't say they were GOOD reasons, I hinted at the fact that I think they are crappy reasons, but the problem is that they are still reasons.

[Peace_Maker]

Why don't you just agree it was wrong and stand up instead of bsing around the issue?

[Boldot]

Morally it was wrong, but as far as rules go, It wasn't.

 

And as much as I would like morals to be the basis of the rules, they are not.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Boldot

[Stoked]

maybe it was really lame and should have been illegal, but it wasn't, so stop crying about it, you got money too

[ZingyZ]

Morally it was wrong, but as far as rules go, It wasn't.

 

And as much as I would like morals to be the basis of the rules, they are not.

 

So since you claim it is not against the "rules", then it should be allowed to happen in the future.

 

Am I correct?

 

The point of this thread is to make sure that unfairness does not take place in the future, however each of your posts seem to show reluctance in not letting history repeat itself.

 

How about staff just give all the GW people another $100k, maybe there is no rule against giving free money. And since there is no rule it should be allowed.

 

 

Speaking of rules, I was unable to find ANY list of hyperspace rules either in the news.txt or on the forum. Perhaps the general zone rules should be more easily found.

[Suicide_Run]

Technically, it wasn't against the rules to have a non-aggression pact with another freq. All I saw from rules is that you cant use items, only 3 players in 1 freq, probably staying in center and out of safe.

 

So technically, its not illegal but it is wrong i suppose morally. But what you considered morally wrong to other people might not be the same.

 

If you want to complain, go sign a pe!@#$%^&*ion asking Brain to axe/retrain Dbe because whats done is done.

 

Edit: If you cant find rules, then you need to look harder cause I see the list of rules in F1

Edited June 16, 2007 by Suicide_Run

[BlueWyvern]

1. The staff volunteer THEIR time so YOU can have fun, why criticize them?

2. You can always go to another arena if you dislike playing the event.

3. The rules are listed in the F1 menu.

 

I know how you feel but it isn't YOUR event. When the public agrees to an event they also agree to play by whatever rules the staff member deems acceptable.

[ZingyZ]

maybe it was really lame and should have been illegal, but it wasn't, so stop crying about it, you got money too

 

Yes, i got $20k while the other 2 of them got a combined $150k

 

OMG I wonder what i'm going to do with SO MUCH MONEY

 

 

This game was clearly a case of staff favoritism, and no matter what anyone says, I know that they believe this simple fact.

[Boldot]

How about staff just give all the GW people another $100k, maybe there is no rule against giving free money. And since there is no rule it should be allowed.

 

Speaking of rules, I was unable to find ANY list of hyperspace rules either in the news.txt or on the forum. Perhaps the general zone rules should be more easily found.

 

Staff is not allowed to freely give money out without a reason, so simply granting them extra money IS against staff rules. There are also rules present in the F1 file.

 

And you got more than 20k, you got at least 6k for each kill you made due to the bounty increases.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Boldot

[ZingyZ]

1. The staff volunteer THEIR time so YOU can have fun, why criticize them?

2. You can always go to another arena if you dislike playing the event.

3. The rules are listed in the F1 menu.

 

I know how you feel but it isn't YOUR event. When the public agrees to an event they also agree to play by whatever rules the staff member deems acceptable.

 

NO ONE forces the staff to be staff.

 

If they want to volunteer to be staff, they should have a fair mind.

 

 

And if I recall, most of the public wanted pub vs pub flagging, however the staff did not want to do that.

 

 

That "staff volunteer" excuse is really dumb. Staff become staff because they want to be staff. Being staff should be a privilege, not a right.

 

Technically, it wasn't against the rules to have a non-aggression pact with another freq. All I saw from rules is that you cant use items, only 3 players in 1 freq, probably staying in center and out of safe.

 

So technically, its not illegal but it is wrong i suppose morally. But what you considered morally wrong to other people might not be the same.

 

If you want to complain, go sign a pe!@#$%^&*ion asking Brain to axe/retrain Dbe because whats done is done.

 

Edit: If you cant find rules, then you need to look harder cause I see the list of rules in F1

 

Ok I checked the rules, and there is no rule against staff giving free money to players they like. Does this mean it should be legal and staff be allowed to give free "house" money to their favorite people? After all, there is no publicly viewable rule that says it is not allowed!

 

Note: I'm not saying any free money giving took place, but i'm playing devil's advocate here, in order to prove a point.

Edited June 16, 2007 by ZingyZ

[Suicide_Run]

If they want to be staff, they should be fair.

ROFL, that shows you never been to alot of zones. I seen so many things that happened where staff is completely unfair. !@#$%^&* I seen owners ban players for suggesting ideas and others. You would expect them to be fair, but in reality, they don't have to be.

 

And if I recall, most of the public wanted pub vs pub flagging, however the staff did not want to do that.

If you were paying full attention during the elim event, at some point. Dbe said he had to go to a movie right after movie after event. How do you expect him to host a pub vs pub flag game when he needed to go very soon? Also, if you ever did ?listmod, no other mods were on. Do you expect him to host a pub vs pub flag game in...10-15 mins? I am not sure if he hosted anything before hand but you shouldn't blame him for not hosting since people usually place their life before a 2D Action Game.

 

Ok I checked the rules, and there is no rule against staff giving free money to players they like.

It says "The rules of this zone but are not limited to:" which means there are other rules that still apply.

 

Also, those rules would normally apply to the general public and I am sure that there are staff rules that the staff has. They don't have to show it to the public but there are rules that apply.

 

Its like saying there isnt a rule saying Staff cant ban people for fun. So does it mean they can do it?

[ZingyZ]

If they want to be staff, they should be fair.

ROFL, that shows you never been to alot of zones. I seen so many things that happened where staff is completely unfair. !@#$%^&* I seen owners ban players for suggesting ideas and others. You would expect them to be fair, but in reality, they don't have to be.

 

 

What I was saying is what SHOULD be true. The idea that staff be fair.

 

What you are saying is not making any particular point.

What happens in other zones is the concern of that zone and its staff and players.

I only care about what happens in the zones I play in.

 

 

 

Its like saying there isnt a rule saying Staff cant ban people for fun. So does it mean they can do it?

 

So what you are saying is that even though there is no rule saying teaming can't be allowed during elim, it makes a lot of logical sense that in a "solo" elim, 3v1 should be allowed.

 

 

 

Suicide_Run, please come up with better arguments. Nothing you said has any tangible relevance to the points I have brought up regarding explicit staff favoritism.

Edited June 16, 2007 by ZingyZ

[Stoked]

must be that time of the month again for zingy.. maybe if you whine some more it'll make you feel better.. life isnt fair, go cry yourself to sleep.

[ZingyZ]

must be that time of the month again for zingy.. maybe if you whine some more it'll make you feel better.. life isnt fair, go cry yourself to sleep.

 

LOL.

 

Wow what a tough guy.

 

Go spec glitch some more, buddy.

[Suicide_Run]

To get back on topic:

 

No its not fair to "team" against one person, but is it against the rules? If its not stated, then its not. Therefore, its not illegal.

 

Right now, all you guys are arguing about is to make yourself feel better because you lost to something that wasn't fair.

 

Is life fair? No Is the game fair to begin with? No.

 

To respond to you zingyz, staff favoritism exist everything. If you own a zone/staff in a zone and someone breaks a rule, would you go and smack him with a ban stick right away? Probably not, you probably will answer yes but when that really happens, I highly doubt it.

 

What you guys are complaining is that you didn't get enough money from an event that a staff member hosted. In an event, the hoster can host it anyway they like as long its acceptable in terms that higher staff won't raise an issue. If the hoster doesn't see a problem with it, they don't have to do anything about it.

 

As many people have said, the zone and it's staff isn't made specially for you. If you don't like how it's run, don't play it. If you don't like how an event is run, don't play it.

 

As I have said, if you want something to be done. Convince Brain since he has the most power in the zone.

[ZingyZ]

As many people have said, the zone and it's staff isn't made specially for you. If you don't like how it's run, don't play it. If you don't like how an event is run, don't play it.

 

Huh?

 

So instead of trying to address an issue in order to fix it, we'd be better off pretending the issue doesn't exist, or just not playing the zone?

 

Honestly, lets try to get some perspective here.

 

This thread is not about whining, its about trying to fix a problem so it doesn't happen again in the future.

Edited June 16, 2007 by ZingyZ

[Suicide_Run]

Fairness is not a problem, its a matter of perspectives. I don't see it as being unfair, so therefore there is no problem. You see it as being unfair, therefore there is a problem.

 

If rules are broken, then its a problem. If rules aren't broken, there is no problem. Since rules weren't broken, there wasn't any real problem.

 

Here, let me ask you a question. What is your definition of Fairness? What do you expect to be done? Since all you have done is rant and complain how staff doesn't do this, staff doesn't do that. Do you expect staff to add a "Fairness" Rule?

 

All that has happened is you got lamed in an staff hosted event and your crying about it.

 

There is no argument nor a problem with fairness. A game would never be fair so neither would an event. As I have said and you haven't seem to noticed. When they host an event, the staff member can choose to host anything in anything way THEY like as long as there is no problem with the higher staff.

 

Between, would you rather have Dbe not host the event and allow the richer/vet players to continue to own the pub in a flag game if such game were in session before the events started?

 

Also to answer Peace's thread name question: Boldot already answered that.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Suicide_Run

[Rareitanium]

Wow, So glad i missed this elim.

 

I probably woulda been forced to leave due the whining.

 

Sad thing is like 3 hours after this event, people bugged d1st0rt about it so much he had to leave. Staff are here on their own time and people constantly ruin it no matter the problem.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Rare

[desert op]

I Agree it is unfair but the fact of the matter is ----> Even If it is unfair GundamWing Always Wins!! end of story.