Guest Knightflame Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) I know you can ban me or whatever for not talking about that weird game you guys play. First off I'm sorry Losa and I showed my Aunt your designs and she said she might get you a job this summer for her. She was a designer too. I am also sorry Gravitron for calling you names that hurt your feelings. I never knew how sensitive you were. Heres the deal. Anyone who's a believer in Christ can see our world is heading straight for !@#$%^&*. I know you guys don't want to end up in !@#$%^&* so I am want to help you in your walk with god. As an example what happened in Gaza is a big sign that our maker is coming. Revelation 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. Please listen, e-mail me at surrounded2007@yahoo.com Edited June 15, 2007 by Knightflame
»Admiral Kirk Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Please keep your ignorence to yourself ^^
Guest Knightflame Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Please keep your ignorence to yourself ^^I am only trying to help those who want to see god. Now please stop your foolishness.
»Admiral Kirk Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 You know, I was about to go all Stephen Hawking, but thiers no point. As an old friend once said, never argue with the ignorant, theyll only bring you down to thier level, then beat you with experience. Besides, everyone knows that only those who worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster will have salvation in the afterlife
»Purge Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 keep your re!@#$%^&*ed computer talk to yourself, kirk.
Dav Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Ok... And supposing your so called prophecy is correct whatis a post on tjhese boards going to achieve? The Gaza problem is currently 2 fold. 1. Conflict with Israel which is still in political deadlock and much of the west has very little influence over. 2. Conflict between internal factions for power which will only be solved by one gaining power over the other, mostly by fighting. Also moving this to political discussion, it seems best suited for there.
SeVeR Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 The Bible has hundreds of prophecies and each is as vague as the next. Over 2000 years of history there's bound to be some incidents that fall into the realms of "interpretable by a Bible prophecy". When the world doesn't end in your lifetime, i hope you look back on your insignificant life and realise what a waste it was. If there is a God then he's probably sending you straight to !@#$%^&* for being such a presumptious !@#$%^&*hole. I don't presume to know the mind of God, or believe in men who call themselves prophets in order to sustain their desperate desire for a purpose in this life. Take your new found purpose and shove it up your !@#$%^&*, because i don't need to be warned and neither does anyone else who doesn't believe in your God. (Take a hint and go to a Bible forum)
NBVegita Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) The irony is that what Jesus preached is nothing like what your bible tells you. Actually try to research what you preach instead of blindly following what the man in the big robes tells you. In fact, specifically research the sermon on the mount. You are ignorant in your own religion. Edited June 15, 2007 by NBVegita
Guest Knightflame Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 The irony is that what Jesus preached is nothing like what your bible tells you. Actually try to research what you preach instead of blindly following what the man in the big robes tells you. In fact, specifically research the sermon on the mount. You are ignorant in your own religion. I dont see you supportingme in this NBVegita so i would politely cease and i go to church yes but you are stereotyping with the big robe thing. And i am so sorry for you sever you shall probably end in !@#$%^&*. Also talking about christ on this site may help bring some to christ if not i tried and i wont stop.
NBVegita Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 First you need to learn the (actual) teachings of Christ before you can "bring" people to him.
SeVeR Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) And i am so sorry for you sever you shall probably end in !@#$%^&*. Thankyou, you couldn't have paid me a better compliment. Your loose grip on the English language is typical of a Christian nut-job. Did your mummy tell you the Bible is all that matters? It's a pity because there are so many fantastic books out there. Do you like being a guide to lost souls? Does it fill you with a sense of purpose? Do you feel the Lord working through you? Are the voices in your head loud and clear, or an echo of your own ego? Edited June 15, 2007 by SeVeR
Drake7707 Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 You are ignorant in your own religion. Actually i've been wondering... why do people need religion anyway? Are those people too stupid to draw their own conclusions or ignorant and just blindly accept anything that someone else say to them? As far as i know it goes as following:Religion = collection of beliefsBeliefs = statements without any proof (not that that is a problem) So the possibility that it is just a fairy tale lie can be quite high, why the !@#$%^&* do people just accept it? Maybe a comparison is in order:I tell you an obvious lie but that noone can say for certain that it wasn't true: Dragons existed in a world before, went extint and evolved to gods. Would you believe it and worship it like people do when they go to church ? And miracle cures don't really back it up either? I know it can be necessary for people to believe in something to hold up against any misfortune they come across, but ffs can't they just keep their beliefs for themselves? Besides, a simple logical mind can conclude that religions did in fact much much more bad things that actual good stuff to people. Religions lead to difference of opinions which can grow to war which kill people (ppl getting killed is still bad afaik)
SeVeR Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 (edited) People believe in a religion because of the psychological benefits. For example: 1. You believe you are a good person.2. You believe you are going to heaven and living forever.3. You believe your life has a purpose.4. You believe you are closer to the God, the greatest, most wonderful force in the universe.5. The common goal of all men is to strive for perfection in life. If you re-define perfection into something easily achievable (being a Christian), you end up with a tremendous amount of self gratification. If humanity understood it's own desires, there would be no religion. One look at those five points tells you that Christians have answered the following: 1. How can i lead a worthwhile life?2. What comes after death?3. What is the meaning of life?4. What created the universe and how do i communicate with it?5. How do i reach perfection? Questions that nag at our minds from the moment we are able to think for ourselves. By providing an unsupported improvable answer to those questions we take away a part of our own humanity, our curiousity. Edited June 15, 2007 by SeVeR
Drake7707 Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 So people rather choose an already proposed possibility rather to find their own or at least make time for it to think about it ? They must be pretty desperate, else I find it pretty pathetic that they don't think about it themselves, which just proves they couldn't really care about it.
SeVeR Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 I'm sure they think about it alot if they are of a mature age (most believers are taught to believe at a young age, rather than deciding for themselves). Those that think about the choice they are making convince themselves it is true because of the aforementioned benefits. To what degree this is a subconcious drive, i do not know. The fear of death and the fear of complete insignificance with no purpose can certainly drive someone to religion.
NBVegita Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 My thesis is that people turn to religious faith because they lack that faith in themselves. Everything I have and will accomplish is due to the for!@#$%^&*ude and determination I have to succeed. People who are stalwartly religious often praise "God" as being the one who gave them the strength or determination to complete the act.
Aileron Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 Morons on both sides. Knightflame doesn't have true faith. God exists whether other people believe in him or not. If you want to convert someone, people are only converted by example. Show them good deeds first, and only then should you ask them to change their faith. As for !@#$%^&*, God isn't vindictive or punishing. !@#$%^&* doesn't exist to punish people. However, sin exists and cannot be let into heaven. !@#$%^&* exists to dispose of the sin in a safe manner, like a trash can. !@#$%^&* itself doesn't explicitly torture the inhabitants, but it is full of sin and sin by its very nature damages everything around it. Again, like a trash can. It doesn't stink on its own, it just happens to be full of trash and trash stinks. To that end, !@#$%^&* is more of a self creation made by those who live in sin, rather than a hot place that everyone who disagrees with you is sent to. Now for the other morons. The most fundimental Law of Physics is that nothing can be created or destroyed. That law is the only thing in common between Classical and Modern Physics. Each individual can be certain absolutely of their own existance, those of us religious "nuts" refer to this as a soul. Nevertheless, one can be more certain of the existance of their own soul than the existance of the rest of the universe. Granted, one has absolutely no reason to conclude that everyone else has a soul. However, the notion that one is the only being truly in existence seems incredibly selfish, so I'll ignore it. It could be possible that upon death, the soul simply dissappears, but that is unlikely because nothing else in the universe simply phases out of existance. The Hindu model of the soul being recycled seems to be the simplest. However, the world population isn't constant, it is increasing. If we were to assume one soul per person, the implication that souls like everything else cannot be created or destroyed would imply that over time there would be an every-increasing population of soulless people, which would imply elitism. However, Hinduism does include the notion that animals also has souls, and thus the increasing human population might be being followed by a decreasing animal population. However, that in turn implies complexity, as some sort of mechanism would have to exist which prevents animals from being concieved when there is a lack of souls available. Most religions, and Hinduism as well, believes in a sort of heaven. This model would involve a seperate place outside our universe where souls can go in and out of, The polytheistic models were exactly as the athiests imply...supersticious notions !@#$%^&*igned to phenomina. The monotheistic model is different. It stems from a different question: Is the universe random or is it planned? If it is random, then there are been a lot of improbable occurances in history which happened to be necessary for our existance, (a one-in-a-billion type of chance for the creation of Earth, of life being formed out of primordial ooze, of life eventually evolving to form intelligence, etc.) wheras a planned universe explains those improbabilities easily. A planned universe implies some sort of planner. As for why we cannot observe this planner, I'll pose a rhetorical question: Why is air invisible? The answer is that the atmosphere came to exist before humanity did, and our eyes need to recieve an EM frequency that is transparant within the atmosphere. Otherwise the only thing we would see would be air and our eyes would be useless as a practical sense. Similarly it will always be impossible for us to sense God, because the existance of order in the universe is ever-constant and there is no need for a sense to moniter said contancy. I've ranted enough. Point being, most Christians HAVE thought things through. Its just that the ones that don't are very loud.
Wild Luck Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 (edited) I know you can ban me or whatever for not talking about that weird game you guys play. First off I'm sorry Losa and I showed my Aunt your designs and she said she might get you a job this summer for her. She was a designer too. I am also sorry Gravitron for calling you names that hurt your feelings. I never knew how sensitive you were. Heres the deal. Anyone who's a believer in Christ can see our world is heading straight for !@#$%^&*. I know you guys don't want to end up in !@#$%^&* so I am want to help you in your walk with god. As an example what happened in Gaza is a big sign that our maker is coming. Revelation 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. Please listen, e-mail me at surrounded2007@yahoo.com Yeah you are right, church told to my dad when he was young that the world would end on 1966, then on 1976, then they told me on 1990, and lets not speak about 2001 catastrophy that never happened. and now you say what? the time its near? pfft The real thing is that not everybody its alloud to interpretate the bible cause stupid things like this happen. The world will never end, even if a comet comes and strike it, life will survive, it has been done for million of years and it will live for millions of years to come. I find funny how you say the world is going straight to !@#$%^&*, i guess they said same thing during WW I and WW II and the golf war and the vietcong and now the arab war. And they will say same thing when WW III comes, cause thats all they do invent a reason to join their stupid churches. Take note from this: I believe in GOD but many churches and their religions are stupid. Edited June 16, 2007 by Wild Luck
SeVeR Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 The most fundimental Law of Physics is that nothing can be created or destroyed. wheras a planned universe explains those improbabilities easily. A planned universe implies some sort of planner. Morons on both sides.
NBVegita Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 Lol nothing can be created or destroyed? I'd love to meet your physics teacher. It is that energy cannot be created or destroyed, matter can be created and destroyed, as when matter and anti matter meet the matter is in essence destroyed and converted into separate particles that are not matter, but contain the same amount of energy. Now you could argue that in essence matter cannot be destroyed then, but it is no longer matter just many particles containing energy.
Aileron Posted June 16, 2007 Report Posted June 16, 2007 I was making a basic statement for the viewers who aren't physicists, and given how this topic is about religion and not physics I didn't want to digress. Yes, matter can become energy and vice versa. Even more interesting is that one of the corollaries of the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle a particle and an anti-particle could spontaneously spawn out of nothingness provided they annihilate each other again quickly enough. The point is that in a closed system the total change in matter and energy is a zero sum equation. As for the "Morons on both sides" quote. Its rude, but it explains my point. While most Christians are normal people who are perfectly reasonable in terms of self-motivation. However, there are some, especially among the relatively newer demonations who think that Jesus is going to swoop down and solve all of their problems. They are very small-minded and very loud. They think that "Thou shalt not use the name of the lord thy God in vain." means "don't use profanity". Infact, it means that one shouldn't cite the name of God unless one is qualified. Unless you are an educated preacher, you shouldn't be preaching. Even then, you should restrict your audience to either a church setting or during missionary work. Missionary work means "Solve their problems first." That in turn means "Seek an audience that actually has some real problems." For example, Mother Teresa. She went to starving villiages, solved their problems with poverty, and only then would ask them to convert. Her words were backed by her deeds. Without deeds, faith can be false and words can be empty. It deeply frustrates me that religions so similar to my own practice the policy of annoying strangers with their simple-mindedness. It also frustrates me that people like SeVeR will understandably get annoyed by these psuedo-Christians and assume that all Christians think as they do. All the psuedo-Christians do is push people away. Unfortuneatly, its hard to get the message out that these fools don't represent us.
SeVeR Posted June 17, 2007 Report Posted June 17, 2007 (edited) Matter and Energy are interchangable and cannot be created or destroyed. My quotations were to tell a story. I understand what Aileron originally meant about the most basic law of physics. But then he said a planned universe explains away the improbabilities and that this requires a planner. Yet this only subs!@#$%^&*utes one un-caused object with another, one which has consciousness of all things; something i find moronic. At least we can see how a massive ball of energy is theoretically possible, even if we don't know what caused it. And i wouldn't say i've ever been annoyed with Knightflame on this topic; it's more of an attempt to get personal, in the hope he would prove a few of my theories about Christians. Edited June 17, 2007 by SeVeR
rootbear75 Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) i really hate it when people try to convert people on this forum to other religions. i cant count the number of times this has happened. All i have is 6 words: Keep the religious bull!@#$%^&* to yourself. edit: and this goes to everyone, not just you Edited June 18, 2007 by rootbear75
Guest Knightflame Posted June 18, 2007 Report Posted June 18, 2007 AGAIN EVERY1 YOU ARE ALL PUTTING SCIENCE AS AN EXPLANATION. AND AGAIN ILL ASK YOU WHERE DID THE UNIVERSE COME FROM? A BLACK HOLE? NO! IF SO WHERE DID THE BLACK HOLE COME? THE WORLD IS JUST TOO COMPLEX TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOT A MAKER! DO YOU KNOW THE PROBABILITY OF THE PROPHECYS COMING TRUE? IMAGINE TEXAS COVERED IN MARBLES THREE FEET DEEP. NOW THERE IS 1(ONLY 1)MARBLE THAT YOU NEED TO FIND. YOU GET 1 PICK AND THAT IS IT. NOW THE 1 MARBLE IS 1 PROPHECY. THE ODDS ARE ENORMOUS.
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