»Lynx Posted July 8, 2007 Report Posted July 8, 2007 Well, I guess I will input my views on this, now that I have some time to. Firstly, I am going to begin by saying, that I feel that this whole "revival" project is a complete... Waste of time. Instead of working and actually putting development into the zone, the zone has been reversed into an era of stupid bugs, and sloppiness which was excusable back in 2001, but is not even nearly excusable now. I would not usually fall to the level of posting my views on a forum like this, but I feel that it is necessary with the amount of stupidity that is rising from certain people on this whole matter. Also, i'm going to say in advance, that I am probably going to offend somebody here and there in what I am about to say, but it's got to happen, as some idiots like to share every squabble and flee on these forms naming it "subspace politics" or what-the-!@#$%^&*-ever. Why the project is a waste of time Well, to start with the obvious, change is a forward movement, not a stupid revision of old tactics. You cannot simply roll a zone back to the time when it had little development, or skilled developers who actually studied what people liked about the zone, and what people did not. I find it nothing but "population-suicide" to revert from a setting configuration which had elements for newbs, and no bugs, to settings which are nothing but... LAME.. Sure, the zone was fun back in 2001, but just because of that factor, you can't expect it to be fun now. back in 2001, the whole game was fun, but since 2001, a lot has changed. The general population of Subspace its self has dropped... A lot. Also, there are less of those good ol' vets who used to make it fun. Dragonball Z has not had a thriving community since the days of SSCU, it is foolish to think that it's the settings and population that have destroyed the zone, it was the stupid actions which have been carried out by various people, (GD Moving the zone from SSCU to another, disputes between DBZ and OF, higher staff just leaving the zone for months, without any sort of plan to keep it active). You also have to remember, players from even 2001 are considered veterans in DBZ, the ones which remain, either do not play, or are now very skilled. A zone like Dragonball Z is very hard to adapt to if you're coming from say.. TW - (where we do get most of our newb population) and if that little newb fights somebody who's played DBZ for years, it's not a fair match. Simple. That's why there was DEVELOPMENT, believe it or not. The faster killing bombs were no mistake fool, they were DESIGNED - and thought about. The removal of lagging through walls was removed. The lag settings were set so people can't CHEAT. Another feature of DEVELOPMENT. The new safety zones were DESIGNED in a way which people can't shoot players in SAFE when they warp there. Walls were created to stop RUN WINNERS. All elements of DESIGN. A zone does not work it's self, it's not a conscious being, it has to be adapted to the people which play it, as people get better, they become more LAME. That's when you need staffers to step in, and create new things which prevent little lame !@#$%^&*ers who ruin the game-play for newbs by say, run winning, lagging through walls, or using lag features to disappear and re-appear inside bases. Furthermore, let me also point out, that in the era of 2001, there were no great developers who actually studied the zone. DBZ was a random spouse of !@#$%^&*, which actually became a zone because it was so different. Viru$ wasn't exactly the most skilled guy, in-fact.. He was just a pot-head. (No offence, i'm sure knowing him he won't even know, or take any offence) - and the maps were not drawn up by the artistic hands of so and so, just lines and lines to shoot lines of bullets and burst and repel.. It was not until Anaconda stepped in that the zone actually begun to look like a zone - and it was not until bigshot got authority that the settings actually had some form of organisation. Before then, the zone was just - working.. Just about.. There were serious problems with people cheating, and people generally laming. I find it very hard to see how anybody can possibly think that looking at the past, looking at statistics from that time, and then comparing that to now is a step forward. For anybody to think that, there must be some form of mental-re!@#$%^&*ation. Maybe that is a little harsh, but I feel I need to get this message across. And now for my major "beefs" with L.C.'s ideas. The bot plug in. What the !@#$%^&*!? How can anybody with any sort of !@#$%^&*ing mind, remove a bot plug in which was so awesome. That was just about the only !@#$%^&*ing original thing the zone had, and when I ask him why he removed it .. - "because it is on catids website" - a little ironic for somebody who was willing to put the zone up as abandon ware when his little plot of revival failed. I mean, the thing has "DRAGONBALL Z" written on the top of the dammed graphic. However, that is now not the current story of why it is being removed. Now it is considered lame. ... . Ehrm?? Kaye. Well, let's just attempt to follow why a Dragonradar, something which initiates flag games - the best part of the zone - lame. Hrmm. Oh yeah, you can find the Dragonballs quickly. That's lame for some reason. I mean, maybe L.C. doesn't mind looking from A1 to T20 for flags which are grey on a blacked out map, but I !@#$%^&*ing don't. I also don't want to fly around a map, which has obsticals with a flag radar that tells me I am near a flag. I want to grab a "dragon radar" and be told where the dragonballs are. Maybe it's just me... Maybe I am just a no-!@#$%^&* kinda guy, I guess that some people are just full-of-!@#$%^&* kinda people. Ugh. The thought alone is frustrating me. There have been NO attempts at removing the bugs. Sure, I could spend my time rubbing out errors in settings which are out dated. But I refuse. I am NOT spending my time, going through things which have already been corrected. And there has been NO attempts at correcting anything, apart from of course ball killing after I whined about it due to being killed nearly 100 times in centre safe. That was even after some dispute. The new "arrangement" of the zone Okay.. What the !@#$%^&*. Here is a little (?) list of the sub-arenas in the zone. 4. Historical Public Arenas (?go ______) 1. dbz01082007 2. dbz01282006 3. dbz02012006 4. dbz02042007 5. dbz02132002 6. dbz03012001 7. dbz04102002 8. dbz05012005 9. dbz06012001 10. dbz06022001 11. dbz06162002 12. dbz06192002 13. dbz06202005 14. dbz07162006 15. dbz07172005 16. dbz07192006 17. dbz07302006 18. dbz08082002 19. dbz08092001 20. dbz08102001 21. dbz08122001 22. dbz08172006 23. dbz08292001 24. dbz08302006 25. dbz08312001 26. dbz09022001 27. dbz09102001 28. dbz09122001 29. dbz09172001 30. dbz10012001 31. dbz10082001 32. dbz10212001 33. dbz10292001 34. dbz10292002 35. dbz11252001 36. dbz11252001b 37. dbz12052006 38. dbz12182004 39. dbz12292004 40. dbz12302004 41. dbz12312000 5. Historical Custom Sub-Arenas (?go ______) 1. custom01072006 2. custom01202002 3. custom01202002b 4. custom01202007 5. custom01202007b 6. custom02012006 7. custom02052005 8. custom02062002 9. custom02192002 10. custom02192002b 11. custom02202002 12. custom02212002 13. custom03312002 14. custom06032006 15. custom07022000 16. custom07022005 17. custom07162000 18. custom07162000b 19. custom07282006 20. custom08022006 21. custom08082006 22. custom08112001 23. custom08112001b 24. custom08122001 25. custom08291999 26. custom08292001 27. custom09132002 28. custom09231997 29. custom09272001 30. custom09291997 31. custom10102001 32. custom10152004 33. custom10152004b 34. custom10242005 35. custom11212005 36. custom11252001 37. custom11252001b 38. custom11262001 39. custom11262001b 40. custom11272006 41. custom11292001 42. custom11292001b 43. custom11292001c 44. custom12072006 45. custom12102006 46. custom12102006b 47. custom12112006 48. custom12132006 49. custom12202004 50. custom12212001 51. custom12222006 52. custom12282006 For somebody who'd love a colourful map and bubbly settings, that's just about the longest !@#$%^&*ing suicide note I've ever seen in my life. Even for a coder, even for a !@#$%^&*ing binary machine that would be tiresome. I see no point in naming arenas that, it's just not logical. Anyway, for now, I think I am done pointing out the negative points in the whole revival. I believe L.C. has tried, and means well. From my understanding L.C. is very, maybe a little too analytical. Some people take that as a bad thing, some people take that as a good thing. L.C. is also very.. Seemingly vindictive in some of his methods. Most people would take that as a bad thing. He has pissed me off recently, however I will not drag out that little conversation right now, maybe another time. There are some good points to the whole revival. Like.. The news text.. And the website. However, my whole ideology on the revival has been set. I am a non-believer, and so far, the zone hasn't exactly swelled into a pit of excitement. It's just the same as it's always been, if you get a couple people to sit in the zone, others sit in the zone. Not much else action. Bag of laughs really. Eh? Anyways, I feel that I have already wasted enough of my time saying this segment of my opinion, I shall comment on some of the things which have previously been said in the forms tomorrow some time maybe at work or something, as I feel that a lot has been spin doctored.
Footballstar8583 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Posted July 9, 2007 (edited) ewww lynx hates the project that lcs doing lol Edited July 9, 2007 by Hamm
PK2 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Posted July 9, 2007 Let LC do what ever he pleases, if he wants help then help him, you want DBZ to die? its been around since forever. Dude there are rarely new zones that become popular. I got more to say but i gtg! yo anyone seen sd>big around? btw if people dont know me its me 2pacZ, and no im not bad!@#$%^&* anymore
»Lynx Posted July 9, 2007 Report Posted July 9, 2007 Let LC do what ever he pleases, if he wants help then help him, you want DBZ to die? its been around since forever. Dude there are rarely new zones that become popular. I got more to say but i gtg! yo anyone seen sd>big around? btw if people dont know me its me 2pacZ, and no im not bad!@#$%^&* anymore Did you read the post at all? - This is why I hate forums - all that is said seems to fall on deaf ears - the help which L.C. requies, has already been done, over the years of course. The death of DBZ is irrelivant to the help which L.C. requires.
Falcoknight Posted July 9, 2007 Report Posted July 9, 2007 It's okey Lynxypoo.You've actually changed some of my opinions on the revival thing with your post.It could probably be that you're one of the only people who have posted in here who has an opinion that I think matters to the Zone itself.
»Lynx Posted July 9, 2007 Report Posted July 9, 2007 What did you previously think of the revival? I am curious. I just don't see how people can think that the zone is now better than the previous - it has been put through little work, and little effort, there are some good points about the revival like the website and news file - however all together I feel that this was exactly as portrayed .. A "rollback" - a "step back" - nothing positive can come of it. The slight increase in population is nothing but anticipated, if you have players returning - naming L.C. and LCD, Goku and myself, idling in the zone - there will be a slight increase - however none of the so called "problems" have been tackled, the settings is still not plural - it's still all about elite players, no newbs. Nothing has really been -fixed- just edited. P.s. my computer is back and working now, so I will be able to spend more time around this matter.
PK2 Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 lynx i love you too man! lol thanks for that oldskool thing i forgot how to use this forum software.
2pac Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 Lynx, you wanna go check to dbz lets go play for a second or something
L.C. Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Posted July 10, 2007 The removal of lagging through walls was removed.Nobody was able to lag through walls with the Rocket and Repel combination for about 2 or so weeks now. The lag settings were set so people can't CHEAT.If you are talking about the above Rocket and Repel combo, read the above. If you are talking about general latency settings, then they are pretty much the same as the pre-relaunch. That's when you need staffers to step in, and create new things which prevent little lame !@#$%^&*ers who ruin the game-play for newbs by say, run winning, lagging through walls, or using lag features to disappear and re-appear inside bases.That's also when you don't have the bot loaded up with all sorts of plugins, where the bot alone could almost handle the zone. There are enough staffers to watch the zone. Before then, the zone was just - working.. Just about..If you are comparing to before the relaunch, I can't see how anyone can think the zone was just fine with 1 to 7 bots at once and pretty much no human players for the majority of time. There were serious problems with people cheating, and people generally laming.That's why you have staff to do their job. If you have ever seen the network-wide ban list, you'll quickly notice that Rudy possibly has no life when it comes to banning 1 to 8+ players per day for cheating, hacking, etc (keywords: network-wide). How can anybody with any sort of !@#$%^&*ing mind, remove a bot plug in which was so awesome.What bot plugin? The dragon radar? That was reinstalled over a week ago. There have been NO attempts at removing the bugs.Name them please. Sure, I could spend my time rubbing out errors in settings which are out dated. But I refuse. I am NOT spending my time, going through things which have already been corrected. And there has been NO attempts at correcting anything, apart from of course ball killing after I whined about it due to being killed nearly 100 times in centre safe. That was even after some dispute.Ok, then I'll rely on the players to tell me, since they're more active. For somebody who'd love a colourful map and bubbly settings, that's just about the longest !@#$%^&*ing suicide note I've ever seen in my life. Even for a coder, even for a !@#$%^&*ing binary machine that would be tiresome. I see no point in naming arenas that, it's just not logical.Obviously you aren't an extravagent and within the combination of being clean, straight, "professional," top-notch. Though I do agree that the dates make it a little more harder to get to the arenas rather than just typing in ?go dbzX (where x is a number from 0 to 255+) and ordering it by newest to oldest. I'll probably end up applying this. From my understanding L.C. is very, maybe a little too analytical.True. Unfortunately that isn't something I can help nor control. That is the way I am. He has pissed me off recently, however I will not drag out that little conversation right now, maybe another time.And I will save you the trouble of even bothering. A conversation that we had over a month ago (before Goku8234 appeared) was about how a month after the relaunch (if things made no beneficial difference to the zone) then L Y N X would take over my turn (which sysops in the past have been seemingly doing) and give it try at developing, fixing, restoring, or whatevering the zone. He had mentioned that he would use some of the material I had already built up. I admitted to him (which I now admit publically) that I had and would have been (or was) very jealous that he would use "my" material. Quite frankly, none of this is really my material despite my selfishness in that. I can't help but to think I gave this jealousy and selfishness up a week or so after that (maybe over 2 weeks ago). It's just the same as it's always been, if you get a couple people to sit in the zone, others sit in the zone. Not much else action.Since I am settled on dialup, I cannot very easily do what other people have suggested to me -- which is to get in and play when anybody enters the zone (whether it be someone I know or a lone visitor). A lot of people have suggested me that (Goku8234 is in the pack). I am quite troubled that Goku8234 disappeared only a few days after coming back, and since then missing. My doubts say that maybe Goku8234 has not been working overtime like some players say. Just remember that I was never expecting any population changes or anybody to really take notice of the zone upon the relaunch. I hated seeing how the zone was loaded up with 95% to 100% with bots (from 1 to 7 total bots and no human players in the zone), and would rather see a more genuine and realistic population in the zone list. I have read every word of your replies and have taken it into my thoughts. This is why I hate forums - all that is said seems to fall on deaf ears - the help which L.C. requies, has already been done, over the years of course. The death of DBZ is irrelivant to the help which L.C. requires.Actually I still think more people on these forums hate me than I find in-game. I have read every post in this thread word for word, and have taken it all into thought.
»Lynx Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 If you are talking about the above Rocket and Repel combo, read the above. If you are talking about general latency settings, then they are pretty much the same as the pre-relaunch. No - I was talking about the general latency settings - I can expose this bug privately to you. That's also when you don't have the bot loaded up with all sorts of plugins, where the bot alone could almost handle the zone. There are enough staffers to watch the zone. Using a bot, how does one detect run winning without completely changing the aspects of game play? If you are comparing to before the relaunch, I can't see how anyone can think the zone was just fine with 1 to 7 bots at once and pretty much no human players for the majority of time. By this, you are over-referring to RJ's bots, which were in the zone for around a week or so. I was against this - however he was for it. The only bots which I entered were: Eternal-Dragon (Main bot)AI Bot 1AI Bot 2 (Regret second bot, as I could not make them stay on their own freq - was in spec for most of the time)Duel Bot (Regulated duels, to prevent lamers interfering)Elim Bot (Called Elim matches if X many people entered Elim) You are also completely ignoring the population which we gained - however then lost due to inactivity of RJ (Quitting) - Me (Having my A-Level Exams - Yes they are more important than this game) and yourself completing your own small project. There were serious problems with people cheating, and people generally laming. I was not referring to people memory hacking - although it was a problem, it is not a huge one - and none of your work can possibly change that problem - however, I was referring to people quick winning, run winning, creating unfair team play, and obviously the lag and wall hopping problems, which I am informed that you have fixed. What bot plugin? The dragon radar? That was reinstalled over a week ago. Yes - I realise you have now re-installed it (on condition), however I am also talking about your future plans to edit it to make it into a radar which only works when you are near the flags. There have been NO attempts at removing the bugs.Name them please. Yes, you have fixed the lagging through walls - I commend you, you have finally done it. However, you still need to tackle the problems of serious downgrades, especially bullet which is meant to be wish only, also what is received in greens around the map, and the rockets thrust is not correct, I’m not sure if that was in the previous settings, or you changed it when you attempted to fix the lagging through walls problem, but it is appearing backwards out of mine and other players ships. Also, I can still lag out for too long, allowing me to travel into bases - and now repel time is too short, making it less efficient in basing. The centre safety is still open. There are still safe zones in base FR's There are three dragon radars - This is all from the top of my head, with investigation, I am sure I could go on. Ok, then I'll rely on the players to tell me, since they're more active. If you had active players, I wouldn't be posting. Obviously you aren't an extravagent and within the combination of being clean, straight, "professional," top-notch. Though I do agree that the dates make it a little more harder to get to the arenas rather than just typing in ?go dbzX (where x is a number from 0 to 255+) and ordering it by newest to oldest. I'll probably end up applying this. That's one way you could look at it, or maybe another is that I would rather type in a name of a sub-arena which relates to it.. For example.. For a dueling sub - I’d type go duel. For a sub-arena which holds the first DBZ map, I’d type ?go old1 - most human beings would rather remember something which is relational, not a series of numbers. You don't need to be a statistic freak to be "clean, straight, "professional", top-notch or even "extravagant". And I will save you the trouble of even bothering. A conversation that we had over a month ago (before Goku8234 appeared) was about how a month after the relaunch (if things made no beneficial difference to the zone) then L Y N X would take over my turn (which sysops in the past have been seemingly doing) and give it try at developing, fixing, restoring, or whatevering the zone. He had mentioned that he would use some of the material I had already built up. I admitted to him (which I now admit publically) that I had and would have been (or was) very jealous that he would use "my" material. Quite frankly, none of this is really my material despite my selfishness in that. I can't help but to think I gave this jealousy and selfishness up a week or so after that (maybe over 2 weeks ago). No, it was not that which pissed me off, it's the manor in which you replied and talked to me in a conversation which we had in-game. That conversation did not bother me at all - I simply said that I do not like the whole reversal, and if in a month, it is still dead, I would go onto carrying on my plans of development (graphics, plug-ins and map with brighter colors and theme to the zone) with the help of others. I had some offers here and there, but the one which standed out most was by Death+ - however I am unsure if he is still willing. To get onto why I was annoyed, was the conversation we had about staff-chats and the need to add the staff password into the Auto function instead of the password field (as you're supposed to) - as we're all going public today - I have a small pre-created do!@#$%^&*ent explaining it - I will make it public now. The first change The first change which I am bothered about, is the need for staffers to remove their staff-password from their password field, and then either enter it with the Auto function, or enter it manually. This idea bothers me, as staffers are volunteers to the zone, I see no point in h!@#$%^&*ling the staff to do this, when they can just leave it in their password field. True, it is dangerous to let people log in with the password in their password, as it lets siblings or friends log in and abuse, however, it is more dangerous for a staffer to enter it in the auto function, as not only can siblings and friends abuse, it appears in log-files. My log file is.. Very large. And I often reference it in disputes or other activities, and I will regret if it is the fault of a staffer to accidentally publish a password. Any to which pro L.C.'s idea has created, has seemed to create a greater con. The reason to why this whole auto idea has been adopted by L.C. - is because he believes that staffers are only staffers, when required. Any other time they are a player, nothing more. Therefore, they are only required to log into staff, when they are needed. "L.C.> A staffer is a player, not a staffer Lynx, That is the point you are missing. L.C.> A staffer only does his job when it needs to be done." ... I then detest this further more, due to the whole way in which a zone like this is. Fascist.. In my opinion anyway. I don't let him know I believe this yet. To which I receive the reply... "L.C.> The perspective alone is dangerous, unethical for play, and degrading of game play. I can only see that you haven't bothered noticing how it does." ... In that statement has he successfully offended me by confusing his fascist beliefs, with me being lazy. This angered me, so I question him, to whether he trusts his staffers. This question is sprung in an argument to why using the Auto function is better; because it does not allow staffers to see private freqs. "L Y N X> I see no point in some 16byte staff chat, when you can log in with your p!@#$%^&* - and become part of a chat, and maybe yes, it is slightly unethical that staffers can see freqs, but I believe that is not such a downfall. L.C.> It is too L Y N X> the worst abuse somebody can do from seeing freqs, is that they can join winning freqs. L Y N X> And if they do L Y N X> they get caught. L Y N X> then you know not to hire them again. L.C.> Are you an analytical person?" ... Completely pointless question, not relating to the subject, so I ignore it. Let's continue with the quote. "L.C.> Lynx, its not worth letting staffers have bait to abuse L.C.> That's not the purpose of staffing, and that's not what it was intended for L Y N X> Yes it is... L.C.> Nope. L Y N X> It's all part of trust L Y N X> I trust my staffers Insane Elm> I agree with lynx Insane Elm> lolL.C.> Well I don't trust anyone. L.C.> I like it better that way. L Y N X> i don't pin them down, and only let them follow the straight white road like some stupid communist state.." To which I was interrupted, so I shall continue my point now. I believe that it is vital to find the abusers in the zone, as early as possible. (Pre-Moderator or Moderator stages) - so it does not come to a point where you have power-hungry fools, who abuse their power to the point it destroys the zone. I can go further into this argument if I point out the zone SSCI Halo. It has this exact problem, the minions receive masses of power, to which they abuse when they realise that only the few can revoke their power. This leads onto the second change, the change which really annoyed me. The Second Change This change, is the one which L.C. adopted to change the staff chat, which ONLY staffers can join, from DBZSTAFF (Nice, simple, easy to remember and very high security) - to something ridiculous. "---------" ("ab23b14" as an idea) to be precise. Not only is this not secure to those which have logged in to their staff powers, it is hard to remember. As I do log in from multiple computers, and seem to often run into stupid problems when a computer breaks down, I can't afford to remember a staff password which, will indefinitely need changing each time a staffer is fired. The exact problem which we had numerous times before the UPGRADE was conducted to only allow staff into staffer chats. "L Y N X> But I dislike the way in which you're changing the staff chats, so they're hard to remember. L.C.> That's your opinion. L.C.> I agree L.C.> The staff chat is quite random L.C.> It may take some memorization if you care that much L Y N X> That's the point. L Y N X> I DON'T care that much. L Y N X> I don't want to. L.C.> Well then, that's your problem. L.C.> You're saying you dont have enough time for DBZ L.C.> And just a few weeks ago L Y N X> If you have it so staff can log in with their password, it's enough clarification for a staff chat. L Y N X> That's all that is needed. L.C.> You said if this doesnt go great for a month, you're taking over L.C.> You're proving yourself incapable of such position L.C.> If you dont even have time to care about a simple staff chat, then how can you look at yourself and see yourself fit for running the zone?"... And now for the whammy, he attacks me on the belief that he thinks I do not care about the zone, because I don't see the time to care for a staff chat which I believe is un-necessary. This angered me. So, due to me questioning his ways of running the zone, he has come to the judgment that I do not care for the zone. Maybe he could win the best spin doctor of the year award for that little trick. I mean, some way to control your "lessors" L.C. - That actually reminds me... "L.C.> Not sure if Goku had told ya yet, but he/she/it promoted me to Co-Owner after she regained ownership :\" ... A seemingly subtle attack on me, reminding me that I am apparently a subordinate to his power, and should just listen, not question. I mean, this was pointed out in the very beginning of our conversation, before it even became a dispute. I also find it ironic, that he points out this, after all the democratic bull!@#$%^&* that we're only players, not staffers, but hey, we are actually all ranked. The stupidity has seemingly become very apparent. My Opinion I shall begin that this is obsolete to this argument, but I feel that I should say a few things to retort properly to L.C.'s comments, as he has, offended me, and pissed me off. In my opinion, L.C. is an analytical idiot, who has a partisan liking to the past, and believes that the work which he has completed in the zone, is actually a great deal, when in fact, he has only really created a news file, website and other small tasks. Things which the zone did not really need. Instead of attempting to "revitalise" the zone, he has roled the zone back to a state of bugs and errors and taken all of the credit for his actions. I question his dogma to the running of the zone completely, and believe that he needs to focus more on the sociology of the zone, not just the letters and numbers. I trust no fool who names a sub-arena "dbz01082007" or a staff chat "----------" - However if he wishes to be so define about a child's game, then so be it. The second point to which I am going to retort, is the way in which he commented... "L.C.> The staff chat is quite random L.C.> It may take some memorization if you care that much L Y N X> That's the point. L Y N X> I DON'T care that much. L Y N X> I don't want to. L.C.> Well then, that's your problem. L.C.> You're saying you dont have enough time for DBZ L.C.> And just a few weeks ago L Y N X> If you have it so staff can log in with their password, it's enough clarification for a staff chat. L Y N X> That's all that is needed. L.C.> You said if this doesnt go great for a month, you're taking over" I have not once said that I am "taking over" anything, I said that I am going to reverse the changes again, and go into development. "L.C.> You're proving yourself incapable of such position L.C.> If you dont even have time to care about a simple staff chat, then how can you look at yourself and see yourself fit for running the zone? L.C.> I care about this zone L.C.> That is why it is this way. L.C.> It takes mroe work to care than to not L Y N X> Haha, just because I don't wish to measure up with your fascist ways of running the zone, doesnt mean that I am incapable of running the zone. L Y N X> It's obvious that we both have two very different ideologies about the whole matter. L.C.> When Eternal-Dragon was equipped with everything to obsolete staffing positions, that was not care. It destroyed the zone. L.C.> When sysops destroyed the zone, they didnt care about what really mattered." I don't understand exactly how L.C. thinks, but I guess he means that when the bot prevented ball kills, when an awesome one of a kind LVZ was created at the dawn of LVS's that showed ball coords, when the bot allowed players to be invited and kicked from freqs, when the bot spotted people who cloned, it destroyed the zone? I don't know, but maybe a little clarification from the moron would be nice, but I think the real and more in-depth reason to the zone having a low population is a lot more interesting, and a lot more reliable than a stupid finishing comment to make one seem they are knowledgeable to real matters. I don't even know to whom he is pointing that comment, to me for being a sysop? Or to bigshot for adding bot changes? Rick James? Goku? InamotO? Hey maybe a little gra!@#$%^&*ude should be payed, let's face it, it was only when bigshot came into the scene that the bugs in the zone were removed, and the lamers and cheaters were banished. But how would the fool know, he played years ago, leaves for years, and then thinks he can fathom a story which fits. "L Y N X> Frankly, the way in which you've actually said that has offended me, just because you've picked up a slight population from playing the zone, doesnt mean that any of your so called "work" has made any difference what-so-ever. L.C.> They wanted to elite the zone for themselves L Y N X> 1 sec L.C.> Lynx, if you want to continue this arguement, take it up to Goku8234/Larien, ok? I'm done with this arguement. I don't want to waste your preicous time. L Y N X> Fair enough L.C., i'll finish this little dispute later." Let me begin to why I believe that the zone has low population, believe me. It is a lot more simple than an awesome map, stunning LVZ's and settings created by Einstein. It's all quite simple.. Ready... You sure?? IF YOU PLAY - THE POPULATION RAISES! WHOA! AMAZINGS! WHO'D DA THOUGHT!? Moron, take on board that when ever the higher staff play the zone, people become more interested due to new prospects. Only when a zone becomes more stable, can it run without the constant help from higher staff, and even after that, it requires staffing. I have noticed this, and other have too. If you look at the near-decline of the zone - nobody was interested in coming - RJ had left, bigshot was vacationing, and I was too busy - and I presume L.C. was spending months... Doing something or other "revitalisation" project or whatnot. Therefore, the zone had no legs to stand on, and amazingly, the zone lost population. Now, that L.C. has returned to sitting in the zone, LCD has returned and Goku has reclaimed ownership, there are obviously more points of interest in the zone - also, to add to the equation the zone is only hitting 12 (MAX) - if you compare that to when RJ and I made some changes, we were hitting 27 (MAX) - so please stop all of the petty talk that "I have done this and that, I'm SO great" because all you've done is archived some maps and settings, and implemented them. I believe that if you wish to contribute some decent work to the zone, maybe you should actually make a map, remove the bugs in the settings, or help with some LVZ's which are actually themed to the Dragonball Z anime show. The bugs will soon become apparent, and people will complain. It's just going to be a re-run of time. Also, I can pre-meditate that L.C. is going to attack me on "What have I done" - There is a simple answer to that question. I refuse to help some fool remake the zone from stage one, it is as how L.C. would say.. "Un-ethical" - We've got the exact same settings with fixed bugs available, but the fool is so mind-boggled on some old settings that he cannot see logic. If I am to help the zone, as I have done on numerous occasions with maps, settings, subs, graphics and lvzs, I shall help in a way which I see fit for the zone. Even though I feel it was un-necessary to post that, I will post it for the !@#$%^&* of it. And to what I was actually going to post, was replies to certain things which have been said on the forums. However, I am a very busy man, if i'm not doing this, i'm doing that. I find it hard to even get the time to create this reply. He had mentioned that he would use some of the material I had already built up. I admitted to him (which I now admit publically) that I had and would have been (or was) very jealous that he would use "my" material. Quite frankly, none of this is really my material despite my selfishness in that. I can't help but to think I gave this jealousy and selfishness up a week or so after that (maybe over 2 weeks ago). It's nice that you admit how much hard work you have actually put into the zone, and then question whether I am even suitable to be a staffer there, after what input I have added.
L.C. Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) however I am also talking about your future plans to edit it to make it into a radar which only works when you are near the flags.Plans changed: Dragon Radar is staying. but it is appearing backwards out of mine and other players ships.First complaint ever since I fixed this about thrust graphics appearing backwards. Works perfectly fine on my Continuum client, so it must on others. now repel time is too short, making it less efficient in basing.Hmm, maybe I'll port a perfect copy of Repel and Rocket settings over. The centre safety is still open.Ok. Currently under revision. There are still safe zones in base FR'sOk. Working on it. here are three dragon radarsOk. Wanna do me a favor and change max balls to 1? If you had active players, I wouldn't be posting.Or you feel like getting personal, dirty, and as aggressive as possible to win Subspace onto "sides" and "overthrow" me. I've been asking bigshot3754 personally for suggestions from time to time on how to deal with things. not a series of numbersOr in other words, dates. Just a minor correction. Ok. The first change which I am bothered about, is the need for staffers to remove their staff-password from their password field, and then either enter it with the Auto function, or enter it manually. This idea bothers me, as staffers are volunteers to the zone, I see no point in h!@#$%^&*ling the staff to do this, when they can just leave it in their password field.And you told me that the reason for this complaint was really because you didn't want to remember some random bogus ?chat, such as "30a7hf" for example, and disagreed with my opinion about not wanting staffers to see private frequencies (something which I think affects gameplay to an unnecessary degree). I did of course say, that I wouldn't mind if there were an option in Subgame to turn off seeing Private Frequencies altogether (hint: ASSS). is because he believes that staffers are only staffers, when required. Any other time they are a player, nothing more. Therefore, they are only required to log into staff, when they are needed.A staffer will always be logged into their powers even as they put it into their Auto field. I put up with this "idea" of logging in only when necessary a long time ago, and the whole idea itself was very short lasting. I switched over to just telling new staffers to put it into their Auto field. I find it logical that a person is !@#$%^&*umed a staff member when there is trouble and something needs to be done about that trouble. A staffer honestly isn't a staffer when they are playing, now are they? Not sure if I'm making a point, but whatever. This question is sprung in an argument to why using the Auto function is betterI know that you know that we have thoroughly covered this area of the topic. Anything I would say would just be repeating what you have already heard, so now it is for the public to discuss at their interest. ... Completely pointless question, not relating to the subject, so I ignore it. Let's continue with the quote.And that's me! Random questions and random things at random times when it isn't expected. I thought I already mentioned that a couple times before I got anywhere near finishing the project. his change, is the one which L.C. adopted to change the staff chat, which ONLY staffers can join, from DBZSTAFF (Nice, simple, easy to remember and very high security) - to something ridiculous. "---------" ("ab23b14" as an idea) to be precise.It would work out as a private zone-wide staff chat (only usable by staff members), but "if it weren't for the private frequencies showing to staff members" issue then I wouldn't go through the trouble that I find worth going through. However you are definately right about the SSCI Halo example and eliminating abusers at the Pre/Moderator stages. ... And now for the whammy, he attacks me on the belief that he thinks I do not care about the zone..And here in the above log you do admit the 'real' reason behind why you disagree with the "ludicrous" move of having a non zone-wide private chat (which leads to staff members logging in with the staff password in their password). ... A seemingly subtle attack on me, reminding me that I am apparently a subordinate to his power, and should just listen, not question. I mean, this was pointed out in the very beginning of our conversation, before it even became a dispute. I also find it ironic, that he points out this, after all the democratic bull!@#$%^&* that we're only players, not staffers, but hey, we are actually all ranked. The stupidity has seemingly become very apparent.*Shrugs* Yes, and I felt that you might attempt to "take over." It is up to Death+ to decide and control the dictatorship and "taking over zones" situation. I have not once said that I am "taking over" anything, I said that I am going to reverse the changes again, and go into development.May I use "I have borderline-ADHD" as an excuse, pretty please? Oh well, I guess not. Nevermind. when the bot allowed players to be invited and kicked from freqsThis is a staffers opportunity to solve problems, wouldn't you agree? when the bot spotted people who clonedAnd you are saying that I removed the plugin? If you do, I never did in the first place. I consider that a must-have plugin for all MERVBot installations. It's all quite simple.. Ready... You sure??Listening... IF YOU PLAY - THE POPULATION RAISES!Wow, I think I think I figured that out about 4 to 5 years ago when I had been running my own zone (some "Night Hawk" zone). Wanna be an example? Then play instead of sit in spectator mode. If you see Goku, tell him to play also. You're all so dependent on me on my witty dialup connection, that ends up ruining someone's experience due to my warp-coma connection. Thanks for the compliment. Goku has reclaimed ownershipNew thought: if Goku8234 isn't coming back, then this was an irrational action by Goku8234 and ownership should be given back to bigshot3754 (even though he rarily pops in). Since Goku8234 is over me, it is up to him and bigshot3754 to decide (can Death+ be in the picture? I suppose not). This is just in:[14:37] King of the Hill: Android 17 given 7500 points[14:37] L Y N X> I never was.. lol[14:37] L Y N X> I am not suitable as owner, I am not on enough at the moment..[14:37] L Y N X> So busy.[14:37] L Y N X> I'll soon be playing a lot more though, my time is freeing up loads now.[14:38] Android 17> do ppl actually play this ? like have flag games and all[14:38] L Y N X> Nope not really.[14:38] L Y N X> People sit in spec, but that's nothing but anticipated.I think that is a good distortion of information. Usually when there are 7 or more players in the zone there is a flagging game going on or one that can easily be started. Definately when there is atleast 10 players (even 9) there would be a flagging game going on. also, to add to the equation the zone is only hitting 12 (MAX)Based on monthly statistics. Peak was 17 (including bot) a few weeks ago. A couple times a peak of 15 and 16 had been hit. help with some LVZ's which are actually themed to the Dragonball Z anime showIf you're talking about the background images, then ok. If not, I don't remember what you're talking about. To me it seems like you're having high blood pressure. In my case, I feel no tension or sweat into this, mainly because I never thought anyone would care that much about a zone that is pretty much dead ... existing in a game where it's population is decreasing quite a lot (atleast a 500 drop in the global player average within the past year and a half). Want to continue more or give me more things to fix? I'm working on that small list: + Revise or restore modern safety zone. (IN PROGRESS)+ Remove safety zones in base flag rooms. (IN PROGRESS)+ Cut the powerballs down to 1. (DONE)+ Rename the archived arenas by incrementing number or letters for easier access. (PENDING)+ Greatly decrease chances of losing ship equipment due to damages. (PENDING) Edited July 10, 2007 by L.C.
»Lynx Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) Hmm, maybe I'll port a perfect copy of Repel and Rocket settings over.Good Idea. Ok. Wanna do me a favor and change max balls to 1?Requires Recycle Or you feel like getting personal, dirty, and as aggressive as possible to win Subspace onto "sides" and "overthrow" me. I've been asking bigshot3754 personally for suggestions from time to time on how to deal with things.Eh? The !@#$%^&* is personal about that? Population? And here in the above log you do admit the 'real' reason behind why you disagree with the "ludicrous" move of having a non zone-wide private chat (which leads to staff members logging in with the staff password in their password). There is a difference between not caring about the zone, and not caring for your ways of running the zone. help with some LVZ's which are actually themed to the Dragonball Z anime show Read the complete sentance "I believe that if you wish to contribute some decent work to the zone, maybe you should actually make a map, remove the bugs in the settings, or help with some LVZ's which are actually themed to the Dragonball Z anime show." - My belief on how you should actually help the zone. Not just rolling back the zone. Want to continue more or give me more things to fix? I'm working on that small list: Sure, how about what has already been done.. Like, a new map, better settings, a decent order of staff (No not a rotational team of far too many), some LVZ's which theme the zone more (other than them horrible cartoon ships) - i'm happy they're gone. ??? Edited July 10, 2007 by Lynx
L.C. Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) (No not a rotational team of far too many)I disagree. I think you're only saying that because you would feel like the one responsible for rotating and managing the staff. Forget it and don't worry about how that works, it isn't your job if you don't want it to be. i'm happy they're goneAvailable on website as an LVZ override. Some newbies complained very shortly after the relaunch. new mapGreat, well I already have a map design from many months ago that might just work if done correctly. Infact I even started it and have a copy laying around somewhere. This will be a long-term project, not something that I will complete within a few days. better settings"I can't imagine any better than the current," although I'll go ahead and interrogate (debug) the players about their likes and dislikes of the current settings. some LVZ's which theme the zone moreThis will be taken care of upon the next major update. Oh, and thank you for calming down and taking some pills to lower your blood pressure a bit. ;o EDIT :: I honestly enjoy the "butcher" method of replying to each other. Great way to talk about everything and deal with everything at once within losing yourself. Edited July 10, 2007 by L.C.
»Lynx Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 About the whole rockets thing.. I notice it.. The Apache notices it.. It did appear backwards out of yours too right?* KING Steven !! <3 Kirstie says (21:24):yeah* KING Steven !! <3 Kirstie says (21:24):a bit anyway L Y N X> HeyR i z l a > sup L Y N X> Do rockets kinda appear backwards when you rocket?King of the Hill restartedR i z l a > yea a lil bit Should be okay if you just copy the rocket settings, however that's just a waste of time anyways.. I feel.. Why not just stick with the previous? And then stick with a previous map, which works well and is bug tested? And then, carry on developing from that? This is just a huge waste of time.
The Apache Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 (edited) actually !@#$%^&* it, i'm not even going to bother pointing out the so many quotes you completely contradicted yourself on. seriously. (l.c.) Edited July 10, 2007 by The Apache
The Apache Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 (No not a rotational team of far too many)I disagree. I think you're only saying that because you would feel like the one responsible for rotating and managing the staff. Forget it and don't worry about how that works, it isn't your job if you don't want it to be.don't be so dumb l.c., look at the staff list on the website for !@#$%^&*sake. how many staffers do you want? what's the point in staff rotation? organization? THERE IS NOTHING TO ORGANIZE WITH STAFF JUST MODERATING THE GAME. jeeeez, i thought you said you wanted them to act like players most of the time... if you do, scrap the whole rota. it's unnecessary and stupid. especially at this stage of the development of the zone.
»Lynx Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 OKay, time for another post, showing how L.C. is an !@#$%^&*hole. So, I enter the zone again, thinking that L.C. and I were on a basis of normal-talk and co-operation. I was wrong. I am going to base this whole post (apart from the introduction to fill people in) on a Log and disect the mannor of talk, just to show you, the players, how much of an arrogant !@#$%^&*hole we are dealing with here. Complete log: R i z l a > ant lookin 2 blaze thou rly rather drink R i z l a > lol King of the Hill: Ruff Ryder given 10800 points Ruff Ryder> ye but nikz cnt drink hey Ruff Ryder> same i feel like drinkin R i z l a > i told him 2 get dropted of Ruff Ryder> o see it der R i z l a > he gna ring deep Ruff Ryder> shall i get sum coppers Ruff Ryder> lol L.C.> hey you L.C.> pikachu L.C.> what do you like and dislike about these settings Ruff Ryder> pika boo L.C.> tell me now or I'll slap you all the way to housten texas Ruff Ryder> the bit when u looks stuff when u get hit Ruff Ryder> loose* L.C.> damage? Ruff Ryder> yeh Ruff Ryder> that L.C.> ok Ruff Ryder> and the fact that u dnt get enuf rockets once uve sc'ed King of the Hill restarted R i z l a > t R i z l a > lol King of the Hill: Ruff Ryder given 10800 points L.C.> sc'ed? L Y N X> Ruff, do you prefer these settings, or the previous ones? R i z l a > lc u sad boy R i z l a > y u blankin me R i z l a > lol L.C.> riz are you drunk again Ruff Ryder> previous Ruff Ryder> these are okay tho R i z l a > not yet Ruff Ryder> lol L.C.> @Ruff what else do you want changed in these settings? L Y N X> Man, isn't it just more logical to change the previous settings? L Y N X> They have absoloutely no bugs... Ruff Ryder> urmm what else can u change L Y N X> and can be changed easily... L.C.> @Ruff anything King of the Hill restarted L.C.> These settings are more loose L.C.> I want to debug players first Falcoknigh> LAWLZ Ruff Ryder> all greens give bullet downgrade L Y N X> L.C. L.C.> than to make a major decision based on one player's (or your) opinion L Y N X> We've already done this though... L Y N X> And we spent AGES doing it.. King of the Hill: Ruff Ryder given 10800 points Ruff Ryder> lol L.C.> Then you dont have to participate L Y N X> Really.. With a lot of population backing us.. L Y N X> ... L.C.> I'd glady do it again Ruff Ryder> LOL L.C.> I have time L Y N X> Wow, way to be an !@#$%^&*hole.. R i z l a > L.C. L.C.> Thanks for the compliment, calm down and take some more chill pills. R i z l a > lol R i z l a > chill pills Ruff Ryder> ur spending to much time and money on this zone L Y N X> You've just completely dismissed me, even though I am trying to help you. L.C.> @Ruff Money spent: $0 Ruff Ryder> Ruff Ryder> o Ruff Ryder> k L.C.> You are, but I dismiss your tone and at!@#$%^&*ude. L.C.> Not the information. R i z l a > les ban l.c. R i z l a > L.C.> hi R i z l a > lol L Y N X> How can I have a tone? L Y N X> And tell me where the at!@#$%^&*ude is.. L Y N X> Actually.. L.C.> You aren't aware of your "!@#$%^&*hole" and "prick-lile" at!@#$%^&*ude and tone R i z l a > 1 Ruff Ryder> peace The W!LD> cya L Y N X> Let me show you tone: Oh, and thank you for calming down and taking some pills to lower your blood pressure a bit. ;o L.C.> King of the Hill restarted L Y N X> Believe me, I am well aware of it. L.C.> I can cite many examples of your "angry" toned text L Y N X> And you made the first step. Falcoknigh> Grr anger. L.C.> Well it wasn't me who decided to be angry. L.C.> It was you. Falcoknigh> Penis vagina violence R i z l a > FalcoknightX L.C.> "Violence isn't the answer" you know. Falcoknigh> R i z l a + King of the Hill: The W!LD given 14700 points Ruff Ryder> lol R i z l a > Ruff Ryder Ruff Ryder> GANDHI SAYS SO Falcoknigh> Peace through superior firepower. The W!LD> lol Ruff Ryder> yo L.C.> In reality, for the past 4+ hours, I've been totally relaxed and calm about everything/ Enemy Goal! by The W!LD Reward:50000 L Y N X> It wasn't me who decided to take on board all decisions, no matter how right-wing or contrasted they are. It was you. That angers me. Ruff Ryder> adi amin say violence! R i z l a > L.C. L.C.> It wasn't me who decided to be angry. Enemy Goal! by The W!LD Reward:50000 R i z l a > where is nikz R i z l a > lol L.C.> You have control over your own emotions. Falcoknigh> LULZ R i z l a > The W!LD L.C.> Don't use the excuse that I am controlling your emotions. That's a bit pathetic. L Y N X> When you step in, claim that my methods are not correct, then implment far more pathetic methods. R i z l a > -21 L.C.> Real businessmen don't piss each other off to get somewhere. L Y N X> ... Wow, L.C. you could be a spin doctor with some of the !@#$%^&* you come out with. L.C.> You obviously aren't one, which is why co-operation doesn't work at its best sometimes. King of the Hill restarted L Y N X> I think it's your arrogance and irnorance which angers me actually. Falcoknigh> WE HAVE TO TAKE R i z l a > !login Falcoknigh> OUR CLOTHES OFF Falcoknigh> WE HAVE TO FLAUNT IT Ruff Ryder> CHILL OUT GUYS!!!! Falcoknigh> ALL NIGHT Falcoknigh> WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR CLOTHES OFF Falcoknigh> TO HAVE A GOOD TIME Ruff Ryder> BE HAPPY L.C.> I wouldn't say "anger" is anywhere near the first component of co-operation. Ruff Ryder> DNT WORRY Ruff Ryder> andy its getting late Ruff Ryder> :\ R i z l a > will leave in 5 mins defo L.C.> I'd be glad to co-operate with you or lp_street_solider, if it weren't for your "pricked up" at!@#$%^&*udes and tones incorporated into your text. R i z l a > if these lot dnt ring L Y N X> L.C. - I was more than happy to let you do your thing, and never questioned, even though I did feel it was wrong, however when I did question, you droped the "A-Bomb" on me and untimately tried to piss me off. I think you should question what you're R i z l a > will leave L Y N X> saying before you actually say it. Ruff Ryder> k L.C.> Well I'll admit that the "A-bomb" you speak of was a wrong and unjust action. L.C.> Things have calmed down since then and gotten steady enough for me to relax aswell Falcoknigh> Guys Falcoknigh> Just Falcoknigh> DON'T STOP Falcoknigh> BELIEEEEVING L.C.> But I suppose you aren't the kind of person right now that accepts any "excuses" or "reasons" L.C.> Unless you tell me wrong. L Y N X> Then, why bother with the whole ""Real businessmen don't piss each other off to get somewhere." - kinda makes it obsolete eh? L Y N X> No, I accept your excuses or reasons, however, you have annoyed me. L Y N X> And you continue to, even with your current replies. L.C.> And your annoyance shows through your text, which is the #1 problem. L Y N X> Yes, the problem needs to be fixed. L Y N X> Stop !@#$%^&*ing annoying me? L.C.> Calm down and get some cold water. Go splash yourself. L.C.> Or you can leave...? L Y N X> No, I am perfectly calm. If somebody taps my forehead constantly though, I get agrovaited. King of the Hill restarted R i z l a > $100 says l.c. is pissed of R i z l a > lol L.C.> I'm only getting the impression that if I leave, then everything is fine. That won't happen if that's what you want. By leave I mean to literally leave. L.C.> lol. The W!LD> Do it. L Y N X> ... I don't want you to leave. R i z l a > i do L Y N X> I want you to co-operate. R i z l a > R i z l a > lol L Y N X> And stop being an elitest !@#$%^&*hole. The W!LD> I am c0-operating. L.C.> Some people would say that I'm not taking your words seriously...simply that is how relaxed I am, although I do take your words into thought. L Y N X> If you're so pro-plural, then be plural about your decisions. Falcoknigh> I think it could be your condescending tone. L.C.> Well then, stop giving me the impression that you're an elitest arrogant prick, ok? :] L Y N X> and spread them amoung the higher staff, and then implement them once they have been considered. King of the Hill: The W!LD given 14700 points L.C.> And by 'arrogant,' that isn't literal. The W!LD> Why is everyone arguing? Falcoknigh> Because Falcoknigh> they Falcoknigh> stopped believing The W!LD> ...in? L Y N X> Tell me how I have -EVER- been elitest? L Y N X> About anything what-so-ever. L.C.> Your "annoyance" Opposing team won (123395600 points given) Not enough players in ships to grant any wishes. L Y N X> That is not an elitest action. Ruff Ryder> @o The W!LD> I won. I won. The W!LD> YAY Ruff Ryder> WTF L.C.> Do you realize that your "annoyance" through your text gives me the impression I had just described? L Y N X> An elitest action is when somebody just goes ahead and makes changes to something, without any concent of his so-called "equals" L.C.> Maybe if you just turn it 'off' then co-operation can work even better. The W!LD> L.C. seems really annoyed by L Y N X's annoyance. L.C.> Eh? Ruff Ryder> LOL Ruff Ryder> shhhhhhh! Ruff Ryder> co-operate L.C.> Actually I'm about to goto work in 10 minutes, so I don't care (again, still not disregarding information) L Y N X> Who's condescending? The W!LD> If L Y N X is annoying. R i z l a > yo rikz The W!LD> I think not. Falcoknigh> LC Ruff Ryder> lynx nite shift? King of the Hill restarted Ruff Ryder> ye R i z l a > u kno dat place called ho lok dat food place The W!LD> But, what exactly is the problem? Ruff Ryder> ye Ruff Ryder> in twn? R i z l a > on way 2 owl R i z l a > chinese place L.C.> Ask lynx. I'm sure he'd be very kind, pleasant, and smooth in telling you. Ruff Ryder> yeh R i z l a > it had !@#$%^&*roaches R i z l a > lol The W!LD> L Y N X R i z l a > closed dwn L Y N X> ... Wow, yet again you be an !@#$%^&*hole. Ruff Ryder> eeeeeee Ruff Ryder> nasty The W!LD> Do tell me. L Y N X> Sigh.. Ruff Ryder> closed dwn/ Ruff Ryder> ? King of the Hill: The W!LD given 14700 points R i z l a > ye i think L.C.> @Lynx and yet you do the opposite of the at!@#$%^&*ude I ask for from you Ruff Ryder> !@#$%^&*ed L Y N X> The problem, you mean by between L.C. and I? The W!LD> Yes. L Y N X> L.C.> @Lynx and yet you do the opposite of the at!@#$%^&*ude I ask for from you" L Y N X> L.C.> @Lynx and yet you do the opposite of the at!@#$%^&*ude I ask for from you L Y N X> Another elitest statement Ruff Ryder> we lvin? R i z l a > ye 1 min jus tellin shagy R i z l a > den will leave Ruff Ryder> k L Y N X> You believe, that I should co-operate with you, even though you are a dismissive !@#$%^&*hole toward me? L.C.> I feel quite relaxed, calm, and fine. You? L.C.> That's my point. L Y N X> Hrmm, well, it could be described best at forums.sscentral.com L Y N X> then go to SSCI Dragonball Z revival project. L.C.> Decide to decrease your blood pressure and we can more affectively continue. The W!LD> This is a zone filled with much love. King of the Hill restarted L Y N X> I am not angry, I am just not happy with the way in which you are L.C. L Y N X> Simple as that. L.C.> If you do not decide to decrease your blood pressure, but have that nasty "annoyance" at!@#$%^&*ude of yours, then so be it. Won't be my problem if you have any health conditions related to high blood pressure. L.C.> If you're annoyed, then find something to do to get your mind off it. L Y N X> ... No, i'd rather defuse a situation than to let it go stale. L.C.> I prefer a zone filled with love, as W!LD sarcastically depicts DBZ as. R i z l a > leave R i z l a > now R i z l a > ok Ruff Ryder> aite sfe King of the Hill: Ruff Ryder given 14700 points Ruff Ryder> gokani ye Hypno-Toad> falcooooo. R i z l a > bit Ruff Ryder> bit L.C.> Well, then that's your problem Lynx. Falcoknigh> zomg Falcoknigh> TOAD The W!LD> Hypnoooooooooo Hypno-Toad> L Y N X> No, it's not my -problem-.. The W!LD> L Y N X> It's my method. L.C.> Your annoyance against me is nothing to me now. Only your information matters. Hypno-Toad> hi all. L.C.> Hi Toad! The W!LD> Will both of you just shut up and co-operate. The W!LD> You are reminding me of little kids. L Y N X> See, way to settle it.. "Business man" like... L.C.> @W!LD I agree, Lynx can't. Hypno-Toad> oh sweet, l.c. has me on ignore hopefully still. L.C.> Hi Hypno-Toad> .. L.C.> Actually I cleared my ignore/perma-ignore list recently Hypno-Toad> l.c., you're an arrogant prick and a fool. don't talk to me thanks. Hypno-Toad> you have pissed me off on the forums. L.C.> I decided to let my relaxation and calmness take over. L.C.> Oh ok, I won't talk to you. Hypno-Toad> you come out with such stupid conclusions./ L Y N X> And he re!@#$%^&*-state-of-mind.. The W!LD> Well then guys I might have to go and be back later. No data for 8750 ms (FalcoknightX)(1209933869)(74.209.0.183)(sec=2766) L.C.> @W!LD Hope to see you here again. DRAGON BALL Z! L Y N X> and his condescending way of talking to those who are supposed to be "on his side" The W!LD> I'm sure you will. King of the Hill restarted Hypno-Toad> i don't understand l.c., why do you concentrate on trying to make the zone look so professional and organized when that is NOT the main thing to develop on, especially in the state dbz was (and currently is) in? Hypno-Toad> staff rotas... sub-arena lists... news.txt... website... L.C.> I just realized one quick way to end all arguements: good for you. I don't care except for the information. :] Information I will listen to. Hypno-Toad> the thing that should be MOST DEVELOPED ON is the map, settings and ways to gain population. L Y N X> Hey, what is your honest opinion on that whole conversation. Do you believe I was in the wrong there? Hypno-Toad> not all your "professional" crap. w a r g a > any of you fruities awake? Hypno-Toad> and yet you turn a deaf ear agaisnt ANYONE who critisizes your god-forbid "professional" development. Falcoknigh> No, I stopped reading a little while ago because it wasn't going anywhere, but from what I could see LC was mostly just ignoring you while telling you to control your temper like a sententious prick. w a r g a > sorry man, i didnt mean to offend you Falcoknigh> FROOTIES L Y N X> kk, as long as i'm sure it's not just me. w a r g a > sup mr knight Hypno-Toad> and didn't you a while ago, say i turned a deaf ear and kicked them/slapped them who critizised MY work, l.c., when i didn't? King of the Hill restarted L Y N X> Hypno.. Just forget it. If L.C. wants to carry on being an ignorant !@#$%^&*hole, let him have them methods, but they will not get him far. Falcoknigh> Im pretty Falcoknigh> effing Falcoknigh> bored L.C.> Hypno is The Apache aka lp Hypno-Toad> ... Hypno-Toad> well done? Hypno-Toad> 10 points. Falcoknigh> O rly? King of the Hill: w a r g a s m given 14700 points Hypno-Toad> !@#$%^&* me, you try to get so professional agaisnt me dude.. it doesn't work lol w a r g a > falco, you should try huffing paint thinner, its great Hypno-Toad> it's as if you're trying to "expose" me... but i don't understand why or how it's going to get you anywhere... Falcoknigh> ZOMG Falcoknigh> HYPNO IS LP?!!? Hypno-Toad> lol. Hypno-Toad> <3 falco. Falcoknigh> I just pooped a little. w a r g a > hahahah So, L.C. begins to ask what people think of the settings. L.C.> hey you L.C.> pikachu L.C.> what do you like and dislike about these settingsRuff Ryder> pika boo L.C.> tell me now or I'll slap you all the way to housten texasRuff Ryder> the bit when u looks stuff when u get hitRuff Ryder> loose* L.C.> damage?Ruff Ryder> yehRuff Ryder> that L.C.> ok So, I decide to join in.. L Y N X> Ruff, do you prefer these settings, or the previous ones?R i z l a > lc u sad boyR i z l a > y u blankin meR i z l a > lol L.C.> riz are you drunk againRuff Ryder> previousRuff Ryder> these are okay tho So, with the reply to that question, I resume to ask L.C. a question.. L.C.> @Ruff what else do you want changed in these settings? L Y N X> Man, isn't it just more logical to change the previous settings? L Y N X> They have absoloutely no bugs...Ruff Ryder> urmm what else can u change L Y N X> and can be changed easily... L.C.> @Ruff anythingKing of the Hill restarted L.C.> These settings are more loose L.C.> I want to debug players firstFalcoknigh> LAWLZRuff Ryder> all greens give bullet downgrade L Y N X> L.C. L.C.> than to make a major decision based on one player's (or your) opinion L Y N X> We've already done this though... L Y N X> And we spent AGES doing it..King of the Hill: Ruff Ryder given 10800 pointsRuff Ryder> lol L.C.> Then you dont have to participate L Y N X> Really.. With a lot of population backing us.. Instead of replying properly, he just dismisses me. I guess this is that "Professional" - "Straight" - "Extravagant" !@#$%^&* he was talking about earlier. L Y N X> Wow, way to be an !@#$%^&*hole.. R i z l a > L.C. L.C.> Thanks for the compliment, calm down and take some more chill pills.R i z l a > lolR i z l a > chill pillsRuff Ryder> ur spending to much time and money on this zone L Y N X> You've just completely dismissed me, even though I am trying to help you. So he then tries to mock me by saying a stupid 5-year-old comeback. Then, when I ask him why he is being an !@#$%^&*hole.. L.C.> You are, but I dismiss your tone and at!@#$%^&*ude. L.C.> Not the information.R i z l a > les ban l.c.R i z l a > L.C.> hiR i z l a > lol L Y N X> How can I have a tone? L Y N X> And tell me where the at!@#$%^&*ude is.. L Y N X> Actually.. L.C.> You aren't aware of your "!@#$%^&*hole" and "prick-lile" at!@#$%^&*ude and toneR i z l a > 1Ruff Ryder> peace The W!LD> cya L Y N X> Let me show you tone: Oh, and thank you for calming down and taking some pills to lower your blood pressure a bit. ;o L.C.> And he contradicts himself completely, I have shown no "Tone" or "At!@#$%^&*ude" - however he decides to be an !@#$%^&*hole. L.C.> I can cite many examples of your "angry" toned text L Y N X> And you made the first step.Falcoknigh> Grr anger. L.C.> Well it wasn't me who decided to be angry. L.C.> It was you.Falcoknigh> Penis vagina violenceR i z l a > FalcoknightX L.C.> "Violence isn't the answer" you know.Falcoknigh> R i z l a +King of the Hill: The W!LD given 14700 pointsRuff Ryder> lolR i z l a > Ruff RyderRuff Ryder> GANDHI SAYS SOFalcoknigh> Peace through superior firepower. The W!LD> lolRuff Ryder> yo L.C.> In reality, for the past 4+ hours, I've been totally relaxed and calm about everything/Enemy Goal! by The W!LD Reward:50000 L Y N X> It wasn't me who decided to take on board all decisions, no matter how right-wing or contrasted they are. It was you. That angers me. So I attempt to make some worthwhile content out of the arguement, but he goes on about my so-called temper. The only reason he is doing this, is to apparently anger me. L.C.> It wasn't me who decided to be angry.Enemy Goal! by The W!LD Reward:50000R i z l a > where is nikzR i z l a > lol L.C.> You have control over your own emotions.Falcoknigh> LULZR i z l a > The W!LD L.C.> Don't use the excuse that I am controlling your emotions. That's a bit pathetic. L Y N X> When you step in, claim that my methods are not correct, then implment far more pathetic methods.R i z l a > -21 L.C.> Real businessmen don't piss each other off to get somewhere. L Y N X> ... Wow, L.C. you could be a spin doctor with some of the !@#$%^&* you come out with. So he tries to come out with some deep philosophical !@#$%^&*.. Which really is just dumb.. About how I decide to control my emotions bla bla bla, obviously trying to annoy me - then has the ordasity to say that "real businessmen don't piss eachother off to get somewhere." - I mean, what the !@#$%^&*? Anyways, to continue.. L.C.> You obviously aren't one, which is why co-operation doesn't work at its best sometimes. Now, let's talk a little about co-operation. From day-one when L.C. decided to do this revival project, I was optimistic, and complimented him on his good work. Even though I felt it wasn't the best idea, I was more than willing for him to continue. I guess that when you let a dog learn a dirty trick, it gets carried away sometimes. Eventually, further into his "deveolpment" - he implements a change which I really do not agree with. I then question him upon it, to recieve replies of condescending nature and on numerious occasions he actually offends me with his stupid talk. I find it ironic how the little re!@#$%^&* can say that my co-operation is not at it's best, when all that I have offered him is co-operation, to have it thrown back into my face with elitest nature. .. To Continue.. L Y N X> I think it's your arrogance and irnorance which angers me actually.Falcoknigh> WE HAVE TO TAKER i z l a > !loginFalcoknigh> OUR CLOTHES OFFFalcoknigh> WE HAVE TO FLAUNT ITRuff Ryder> CHILL OUT GUYS!!!!Falcoknigh> ALL NIGHTFalcoknigh> WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR CLOTHES OFFFalcoknigh> TO HAVE A GOOD TIMERuff Ryder> BE HAPPY L.C.> I wouldn't say "anger" is anywhere near the first component of co-operation. I wouldn't say single-handed decision making, and ignorance to peoples thoughts is even in the co-operation spectrum. L.C.> I'd be glad to co-operate with you or lp_street_solider, if it weren't for your "pricked up" at!@#$%^&*udes and tones incorporated into your text.R i z l a > if these lot dnt ring L Y N X> L.C. - I was more than happy to let you do your thing, and never questioned, even though I did feel it was wrong, however when I did question, you droped the "A-Bomb" on me and untimately tried to piss me off. I think you should question what you'reR i z l a > will leave L Y N X> saying before you actually say it.Ruff Ryder> k L.C.> Well I'll admit that the "A-bomb" you speak of was a wrong and unjust action. L.C.> Things have calmed down since then and gotten steady enough for me to relax aswell I'm sure that if it was not for your pricked up at!@#$%^&*ude in the first place, I would not be here showing how much of an !@#$%^&*hole you are. L.C.> But I suppose you aren't the kind of person right now that accepts any "excuses" or "reasons" L.C.> Unless you tell me wrong. L Y N X> Then, why bother with the whole ""Real businessmen don't piss each other off to get somewhere." - kinda makes it obsolete eh? L Y N X> No, I accept your excuses or reasons, however, you have annoyed me. L Y N X> And you continue to, even with your current replies. L.C.> And your annoyance shows through your text, which is the #1 problem. L Y N X> Yes, the problem needs to be fixed. L Y N X> Stop !@#$%^&*ing annoying me? L.C.> Calm down and get some cold water. Go splash yourself. L.C.> Or you can leave...? L Y N X> No, I am perfectly calm. If somebody taps my forehead constantly though, I get agrovaited. Instead of stating his own problems, he blames my so called annoyance the #1 problem. Then maybe asks me to leave? I wonder for how long he'd like me to leave. L.C.> I'm only getting the impression that if I leave, then everything is fine. That won't happen if that's what you want. By leave I mean to literally leave. L.C.> lol. The W!LD> Do it. L Y N X> ... I don't want you to leave.R i z l a > i do L Y N X> I want you to co-operate.R i z l a > R i z l a > lol L Y N X> And stop being an elitest !@#$%^&*hole. The W!LD> I am c0-operating. L.C.> Some people would say that I'm not taking your words seriously...simply that is how relaxed I am, although I do take your words into thought. L Y N X> If you're so pro-plural, then be plural about your decisions.Falcoknigh> I think it could be your condescending tone. L.C.> Well then, stop giving me the impression that you're an elitest arrogant prick, ok? :] L Y N X> and spread them amoung the higher staff, and then implement them once they have been considered. My ###th attempt at actually rectifying the situation, and defusing the problem. ... L.C.> And by 'arrogant,' that isn't literal. The W!LD> Why is everyone arguing?Falcoknigh> BecauseFalcoknigh> theyFalcoknigh> stopped believing The W!LD> ...in? L Y N X> Tell me how I have -EVER- been elitest? L Y N X> About anything what-so-ever. L.C.> Your "annoyance"Opposing team won (123395600 points given)Not enough players in ships to grant any wishes. L Y N X> That is not an elitest action. I'm not sure if it's his basic understanding of English, or him just being an !@#$%^&*hole.. Anyways.. L.C.> Ask lynx. I'm sure he'd be very kind, pleasant, and smooth in telling you. Ruff Ryder> yehR i z l a > it had !@#$%^&*roachesR i z l a > lol The W!LD> L Y N XR i z l a > closed dwn L Y N X> ... Wow, yet again you be an !@#$%^&*hole. !@#$%^&*hole talk.. L.C.> @Lynx and yet you do the opposite of the at!@#$%^&*ude I ask for from youRuff Ryder> !@#$%^&*ed L Y N X> The problem, you mean by between L.C. and I? The W!LD> Yes. L Y N X> L.C.> @Lynx and yet you do the opposite of the at!@#$%^&*ude I ask for from you L Y N X> Another elitest statementRuff Ryder> we lvin?R i z l a > ye 1 min jus tellin shagyR i z l a > den will leaveRuff Ryder> k L Y N X> You believe, that I should co-operate with you, even though you are a dismissive !@#$%^&*hole toward me? L.C.> I feel quite relaxed, calm, and fine. You? L.C.> That's my point. L Y N X> Hrmm, well, it could be described best at forums.sscentral.com L Y N X> then go to SSCI Dragonball Z revival project. L.C.> Decide to decrease your blood pressure and we can more affectively continue. The W!LD> This is a zone filled with much love.King of the Hill restarted L Y N X> I am not angry, I am just not happy with the way in which you are L.C. L Y N X> Simple as that. L.C.> If you do not decide to decrease your blood pressure, but have that nasty "annoyance" at!@#$%^&*ude of yours, then so be it. Won't be my problem if you have any health conditions related to high blood pressure. L.C.> If you're annoyed, then find something to do to get your mind off it. L Y N X> ... No, i'd rather defuse a situation than to let it go stale. L.C.> I prefer a zone filled with love, as W!LD sarcastically depicts DBZ as. Yet again, he behaves like an !@#$%^&*hole.. L Y N X> No, it's not my -problem-.. The W!LD> L Y N X> It's my method. L.C.> Your annoyance against me is nothing to me now. Only your information matters. Another example of that good ol' business-man like behaviour.. Oh well, we will see how long this lasts.
Falcoknight Posted July 10, 2007 Report Posted July 10, 2007 Falcoknigh> I just pooped a little. Most !@#$%^&*ing awesome way to end that log.
L.C. Posted July 11, 2007 Author Report Posted July 11, 2007 Clearly everyone else sees that Lynx and The Apache have a personal problem with me, which means that this whole issue is no biggie. Night.
The Apache Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 clearly eh? how many replies have there been... zilch. where DO you get your facts from exactly? l.c., you don't even try to change your ways of being extremely ignorant or your "elitest" ways do you? i bet you didn't even bother to read either of our posts even from the start. with the at!@#$%^&*ude your taking (especially since your the main developer in this...), you won't get very far at all. you have made my eternal !@#$%^&*-list, well done.
»Lynx Posted July 11, 2007 Report Posted July 11, 2007 We will see if this issue is really no biggie. All I have to say on that comment.
L.C. Posted July 12, 2007 Author Report Posted July 12, 2007 (edited) Status: Unreleasedv1.18 (Third Party) Release Changelog: WEBSITE:+ Create forum Exclusive for zone veterans. (DONE)+ Add Trunkz! to the Veterans listing. (DONE)+ Add Ekkidu to the Veterans listing. (DONE) ZONE:+ Revise or restore modern safety zone. (DONE)+ Remove safety zones in base flag rooms. (DONE)+ Cut the powerballs down to 1. (DONE)+ Rename the archived arenas by incrementing number or letters for easier access. (DONE)+ Greatly decrease chances of losing ship equipment due to damages (by 84%). (DONE)+ "Pixel-Perfect" porting of the Rockets and Repel settings from the Pre-Relaunch era. (DONE)+ Reintroduce background themed graphics. (DONE)+ Fix some tiling mistakes. (DONE)+ Replace victory music as an LVZ Override kit. (PENDING) BOT:+ Try to get the Scoremon plugin finished within the next 2 weeks. (PENDING) Center Safety (with graphics enhancements through LVZ and anti-QW patching):http://www.hlrse.net/Qwerty/safety8d.gif Edited July 18, 2007 by L.C.
Mega Posted July 12, 2007 Report Posted July 12, 2007 Welcome to SSCI http://www.sscidragonballz.net/images/dragonballz.gifWhat We Represent Can Never Be DestroyedWebsite: sscidragonballz.netForums: sscidragonballz.net/forum [NEW] If you want to download the entire zone to save you from having to wait in line while downloading the zone in Continuum, I would very much recommend downloading and installing "SSCI Dragonball Z" at http://www.sscidragonballz.net/downloads.php?cat_id=1. This could save you a significant amount of time from having to download content files of SSCI Dragonball Z through Continuum. The Revival Project is finished and is now live. The current bot host (which is not SSCI) is on dialup and I am trying to get it hosted by Confess+ at the moment. Redownload your zone list and add SSCI Dragonball Z to your zone lists (description is updated slightly anyway). I hope to see you all enjoying the changes in-game. My tribute to Dragonball Z, with passion. This is an OLd Topic hows DBZ doing now
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