Dragonball Z Revival Project Goes Live

[L.C.]

Welcome to SSCI

http://www.sscidragonballz.net/images/dragonballz.gif

What We Represent Can Never Be Destroyed

Website: sscidragonballz.net

Forums: sscidragonballz.net/forum

 

[NEW] If you want to download the entire zone to save you from having to wait in line while downloading the zone in Continuum, I would very much recommend downloading and installing "SSCI Dragonball Z" at http://www.sscidragonballz.net/downloads.php?cat_id=1. This could save you a significant amount of time from having to download content files of SSCI Dragonball Z through Continuum.

 

The Revival Project is finished and is now live. The current bot host (which is not SSCI) is on dialup and I am trying to get it hosted by Confess+ at the moment. Redownload your zone list and add SSCI Dragonball Z to your zone lists (description is updated slightly anyway). I hope to see you all enjoying the changes in-game. My tribute to Dragonball Z, with passion.

Edited June 7, 2007 by L.C.

[»Maverick]

lol you did continue?

Your last post said you were giving up and stopping it

[L.C.]

That was some local Subspace drama between me and someone. You know how it is. ;o I was advised to remove that post, so I blanked it out. Edited June 7, 2007 by L.C.

[Hakaku]

After criticizing Devastation, (a zone which you've never been to), I expect this 'revival' to prove you can do better. <_< Edited June 8, 2007 by Hakaku

[rootbear75]

well anyways... good luck lol... (ur gonna need it) Edited June 8, 2007 by rootbear75

[Dav]

Sounds nice. I may have to take a look some time

[L.C.]

I was originally starting to write the following and stopped when I began playing with a visitor in Dragonball Z (while Lynx was criticising). I had also recently began working on getting Substats to work (and which if it ever does work, perhaps make a BDVines Scores-site replica for Dragonball Z).

 

I've advertised this everywhere. So advertising is now out of the picture.

 

Yes I have been and played in Devastation before. I'm not sure what your point of bringing that thread back up is, which after all, these settings would most likely agree with SOS' criticism (therefore not a problem).

 

If you look at the zone's history and how over time people (sysops) destroyed the zone, it goes against http://forums.sscentral.com/index.php?showtopic=13113. I !@#$%^&*ure you, when I read this the first time I have kept this in my mind the entire time. I have taken this piece of fabulous writing and analyzed the pre-Revival time (before the Revival went live) in every angle and concluded with agreement by 2nd and 3rd party sources that the pre-Revival was a piece of crap that could not or ever work. The 2001 settings atleast go to the point where it almost entirely agrees with the writing or completely does. If you have played Dragonball Z long enough (and way back when these settings dominated), you might further understand my point of view. Just entering the zone and trying out a ship or two (especially when the zone is attempting to regain its population) will not tell you very much about the significance of the settings.

 

 

 

Let me introduce you to a few nostalgic features of these settings.

 

-Non-Proximity Bombs can be very deadly.

 

-Ships are prone to downgrades, degrading, and loss of equipment through shrap and sometimes but not always bullets (but only if your energy is held in reds without having to die, and enemy bullet-fire must also be constant so that you don't really have a chance to breath).

 

-Yellow bullets are deadly (and if you happen to get them through a anonymous damage downgrade, you're lucky), but reds are even more deadly. You lose no or not really any energy when firing yellows, but when it comes to reds (and if all is in the right hands; ie. skilled dogfighter) they can rank up some nice kills.

 

-Spectate for flags. A team of 7 could have a constant on and off flag speccer (or someone who goes into spectator mode to search for flags), while the team runs around naked on the battlefield finding flags (while other teams are doing this too), running with flags (it isn't ludicrously hard to catch runners, by the way, like it was in Pre-Revival), and basing.

 

-When you're shooting, you are more prone to death. If you aren't shooting, you have a better chance of escape.

 

I wish I could have some better ones up there, but there is more to it than that. Maybe other veterans of Dragonball Z might be able to better explain some of the above or include ones that I couldn't even describe or explain. Back then, nobody left after a single flag game. Why? Because of how all the settings sums up together. The Pre-Revival settings were more predictable, absolute, "no-matter-what" kind of settings. You could literally become god in the arena on those, if you were a talented nut for those crappy survivor settings.

 

 

After arguing and talking with Lynx (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), I would like to say that there isn't too much hope for Continuum altogether. If this project make no difference within the next month, he wants to take over development.

 

 

Continuum has no developmental support (and it's 2D, so either way there will be a decline over time). This means no new or more features, but the same thing every day.

Continuum has no global SSC scores website. What's the point if there isn't too much to compete for? ASSS can't just take over Subgame, because that'll never happen.

The population moves like a body; older zones have had their time and chance, the people got bored of them, and moved onto newer things (includes different zones, life, etc). Dragonball Z used to have its time, Omniverse, Super Ships, Battlefield, Paintball -- you know, just any kind of old/past zones. SVS has apparently had its time (it's own population is declining and people are losing interest in SVS). Today it's zones like Fusion and Halo (Trench Wars is dying pretty quick with the Subspace population, I'm in awe).

All the veterans, legendaries, etc are also vanishing. How many newbies are replacing all of them? With these kind of people vanishing from the community and the lack of development and support for Continuum, that's like a company just quitting it's game and abandoning it completely.

 

Are there more points? You can't fight these points off by trying to further develop Dragonball Z more...what more is there to develop? Even if you were slightly successful, Dragonball Z may never get a population back. Just 1 or 3 people in difference isn't enough to bring the zone back to life.

 

My plan was that if Dragonball Z died (being shutdown, having a year round population of 0 to 3, etc) it would be released as open-source or abandonware (atleast it wouldn't be totally gone, right? Maybe someone 20 or 50 years down the road might happen to pickup a copy of Continuum and find these files to try out -- even though it would be somewhat pointless).

 

 

EDIT :: One of Dragonball Z's challenges is that it needs population in order to gain population. The zone is basically empty. Nobody wants to play by themselves. You need people there to allow this. Quite a challenge, eh? I'm unfortunately on dialup and have to go to work in a few hours. Newbies don't seem to stay too long (even as I play at their level).

Edited June 8, 2007 by L.C.

[rootbear75]

thats the problem with most startup zones, is that unless players see a zone with population, they are unlikely to go there.

[Dav]

thats the problem with most startup zones, is that unless players see a zone with population, they are unlikely to go there.

Thats what advertising is for

[L.C.]

And so far in that definition, regardless of how much I expand the range of advertising, it doesn't appear to be producing any population.

 

I have advertised..

-SSForums

-SSNews

-Shanky Server Forums

-Trench Wars Advertisement is being processed and discussed with Pure Luck.

-Awaiting for TestTube's reply to a request for a new zone review.

-Telling people in casual conversations about it

 

What more could you do?

[Samapico]

-Awaiting for TestTube's reply to a request for a new zone review.

I PM'ed both TestTube and Bajan concerning an upload on SSDL... like 2 months ago... never had a reply... better yet, they have not even read my message (according to message tracker)

[The Apache]

sorry for the bump, but i've got to say now after just checking out DBZ:

 

l.c., you spent a long time research and put alot of effort into it... but all you've done is revert to old bases/maps, and older crappier settings.

the only thing i like that you've done is change the news.txt, but even that gets sickly and stupid. half of it won't even get read by people; waste of time.

 

to be honest, you've made some changes L.C., which you think is a great deal when in actual fact all you created was a news file, website and some other small tasks - all of which the zone doesn't need to gain population. you didn't revive dbz at all, you just rolled the zone back into a world of bugs and errors. you, claiming to be some kinda dbz veteran should surely know what bugs existed when the zone was in this state?

 

and just what !@#$%^&* happened to the awesome plugins that made DBZ.. well, DBZ?! what happened to the specially made dragon-radar (props catid ) that made life easier and got nice big flag games going? what happened to the registered freqs plugin? god!@#$%^&* you l.c., that plugin stopped alot of arguments and stopped confusion over freqs - if it was registered, they owned, no one could have it. what the !@#$%^&* was so lame about it? do you want there to be confusion and arguments instead? idiot.

 

!@#$%^&*, what even happened to the lvz DRAGONBALL Z THEMED?

 

you've taken all the life out of dbz to be honest, you aren't fit to run that zone. you're soooo concentrated on trying to make the zone look neat and make it look soooo professional when you've actually forgotten how to revive a !@#$%^&*ing zone L.C.

 

you aren't fit to run anything related to the dbz zone. give up.

[rootbear75]

we are in the process of getting all that taken care of...

[The Apache]

i'd be quick about it too. death+ already hates L.C., and is probably very close to kicking dbz off ssi. if you manage to get dbz kicked off, l.c. will just be remembered as that one who spent months researching only to just get dbz shut down.

 

oh, i got called ignorant and arrogant while telling all of this to L.C. yesterday in the zone. my thoughts are apperently "worthless" to dbz. then again, i did ask him how i was being ignorant/arrogant but i got no reply.

also, i'm one of those "suck up" people who are concentrated on new stuff or something along those lines. how does he have the nerve to basically say i'm too concentrated on new developed stuff? all he did was revert back to the old !@#$%^&* where all the bugs lie.

 

months were spent trying to flatten the bugs that existed in the current settings and map we have now by several sysops, so this whole !@#$%^&*ty project is just a big "!@#$%^&* you" to the people who made it better.

 

thanks l.c.

Edited July 1, 2007 by The Apache

[Dav]

If that happens there are always other servers, hopefully one will have a slot going spare.

[Death+]

i'd be quick about it too. death+ already hates L.C., and is probably very close to kicking dbz off ssi.

 

 

Hi,

 

for the record there is no "hate for" L.C on my end. Furthermore L.C's revival attempt failing would not result in the zone being shutdown. I have been hosting the zone since 2003 and have been a player of the zone since the SSCU days. So don’t worry or start any more stupid rumors, thanks in advance.

[Falcoknight]

<3 Death+

[rootbear75]

So don’t [...] start any more stupid rumors, thanks in advance.

D+ and i agree on one thing at least

Edited July 2, 2007 by rootbear75

[Dav]

So don’t [...] start any more stupid rumors, thanks in advance.

D+ and i agree on one thing at least

Thirded

[L.C.]

Death+

Well I can't trust you Death+. After that last rampage you went on over me, I don't think I'll ever be working with you again. I would release logs, but I'm afraid if I did... . I'm sure that one day I will reach a certain breaking point on this where I will release these logs. They probably won't do any damage to your reputation (you've got nothing to fear, then), but I don't think you would mind if I did. And, I don't want to go on this topic any longer, and wish there would be an ignore feature on these forums. :\

 

The Apache

I would also like to mention that when lp_street_soldier+ (aka The Apache) was a sysop in the zone, previously involved in making the 8th-Year Public Map for Dragonball Z, he had pretty much outright burned, evaded, and slapkicked (without the kicking) anyone who criticized his work. I did not criticize his work (and by this I mean comments, suggestions, "bad" parts or areas that need improvement, fixing, etc) directly, but through the opinions of other players and other staff members. Infact I only did half the talking, because another staffer (Ir0n EyEz?) was with me to give him the critiques and criticisms. That's why I said you were arrogant and ignorant. Seemingly just because I was hired as a staff member in the zone and quickly promoted to a Sysop had apparently ticked you off to such a degree, that even a large part of the staffing teams at the zone at the time had started disliking you for exactly this kind of behavior, tone, and at!@#$%^&*ude you present.

 

(Edit) And out of sheer curiousity, I am pretty sure you have heard people speak out along the phrases (or topic) of "sysops ended up destroying the zone over time." If you haven't, then nevermind. I don't want your thoughts. Either you aren't around the players enough, aren't friendly enough for some to speak of things that you don't like (simply because they're afraid of how you would react unpleasantly), or some other reason that I can't put my finger on. If you did, what do you think about this?

 

For months Dragonball Z was dead because nobody touched it, and partly because of the way it was developed. Nobody in particular is to blame for that (I take some blame and responsibility for serving my time as a Sysop under the Pre-Relaunch / Pre-RP settings, map, etc.). You know, it is very possible for a group of individuals to actually think they are taking the zone in the right path, when it could be a wrong one. Those settings were terrible (even with my suggestions to try to spice them up). You had visitors and newbies coming in and out because they always got whiped out within the first 5 to 15 minutes. Never or rarily came back again. Those settings were pretty much expert dueling settings where there might be really one way to even kill someone (and that would be to let your guard down and be laced). Now taking the last sentence I had just written, what do you think of http://forums.sscentral.com/index.php?showtopic=13113 ? Please tell us.

 

Because nobody dared touch or change anything in Dragonball Z (in my opinion, simply because of those pitiful "expert duel" settings and such depressing, boring and dark map), and Rick James had flooded the zone from 1, to 3, to 6 or 7 bots at one time, what is your problem with change? The zone is actually getting more support from and by players than it did before the relaunch. There is only a very small handful of people that even against all this change (even though there might just be a few speckles of a disagreement or two between all other players; it isn't anything major or something that requires a lot of concentration on), you being on that side. I've only encountered about 4 to 5 people out of maybe 50+ people that were like you The Apache. -_-

 

Before the relaunch, apparently many of the Dragonball Z players (because of the zone's ) had either quit or left Subspace, or moved to other zones. I don't know which reason is bigger than the other, but I have found several players in Fusion, Halo, T3G, Trench Wars, etc. Try to find them (yay! scavenger hunting time) and ask them why they play there rather than Dragonball Z. If you do happen to do this, please post their comments. I myself might aswell give an attempt to see why. InamotO has apparently moved on from Dragonball Z or something, even though he pops in every once in a while...moved onto being a developer/sysop/owner of another zone. Asked me for a few pointers once or twice.

 

I have taken all your suggestions into thought, thanks. If you want to help me out, one thing you can do is by trying to convince one of the programmers here to follow up on my plugin request HERE.

Edited July 2, 2007 by L.C.

[The Apache]

i'd be quick about it too. death+ already hates L.C., and is probably very close to kicking dbz off ssi.

 

 

Hi,

 

for the record there is no "hate for" L.C on my end. Furthermore L.C's revival attempt failing would not result in the zone being shutdown. I have been hosting the zone since 2003 and have been a player of the zone since the SSCU days. So don’t worry or start any more stupid rumors, thanks in advance.

 

 

Death+

Well I can't trust you Death+. After that last rampage you went on over me, I don't think I'll ever be working with you again. I would release logs, but I'm afraid if I did... . I'm sure that one day I will reach a certain breaking point on this where I will release these logs. They probably won't do any damage to your reputation (you've got nothing to fear, then), but I don't think you would mind if I did. And, I don't want to go on this topic any longer, and wish there would be an ignore feature on these forums. :\

 

The Apache

I would also like to mention that when lp_street_soldier+ (aka The Apache) was a sysop in the zone, previously involved in making the 8th-Year Public Map for Dragonball Z, he had pretty much outright burned, evaded, and slapkicked (without the kicking) anyone who criticized his work. I did not criticize his work (and by this I mean comments, suggestions, "bad" parts or areas that need improvement, fixing, etc) directly, but through the opinions of other players and other staff members. Infact I only did half the talking, because another staffer (Ir0n EyEz?) was with me to give him the critiques and criticisms. That's why I said you were arrogant and ignorant. Seemingly just because I was hired as a staff member in the zone and quickly promoted to a Sysop had apparently ticked you off to such a degree, that even a large part of the staffing teams at the zone at the time had started disliking you for exactly this kind of behavior, tone, and at!@#$%^&*ude you present.

 

(Edit) And out of sheer curiousity, I am pretty sure you have heard people speak out along the phrases (or topic) of "sysops ended up destroying the zone over time." If you haven't, then nevermind. I don't want your thoughts. Either you aren't around the players enough, aren't friendly enough for some to speak of things that you don't like (simply because they're afraid of how you would react unpleasantly), or some other reason that I can't put my finger on. If you did, what do you think about this?

 

For months Dragonball Z was dead because nobody touched it, and partly because of the way it was developed. Nobody in particular is to blame for that (I take some blame and responsibility for serving my time as a Sysop under the Pre-Relaunch / Pre-RP settings, map, etc.). You know, it is very possible for a group of individuals to actually think they are taking the zone in the right path, when it could be a wrong one. Those settings were terrible (even with my suggestions to try to spice them up). You had visitors and newbies coming in and out because they always got whiped out within the first 5 to 15 minutes. Never or rarily came back again. Those settings were pretty much expert dueling settings where there might be really one way to even kill someone (and that would be to let your guard down and be laced). Now taking the last sentence I had just written, what do you think of http://forums.sscentral.com/index.php?showtopic=13113 ? Please tell us.

 

Because nobody dared touch or change anything in Dragonball Z (in my opinion, simply because of those pitiful "expert duel" settings and such depressing, boring and dark map), and Rick James had flooded the zone from 1, to 3, to 6 or 7 bots at one time, what is your problem with change? The zone is actually getting more support from and by players than it did before the relaunch. There is only a very small handful of people that even against all this change (even though there might just be a few speckles of a disagreement or two between all other players; it isn't anything major or something that requires a lot of concentration on), you being on that side. I've only encountered about 4 to 5 people out of maybe 50+ people that were like you The Apache. -_-

 

Before the relaunch, apparently many of the Dragonball Z players (because of the zone's ) had either quit or left Subspace, or moved to other zones. I don't know which reason is bigger than the other, but I have found several players in Fusion, Halo, T3G, Trench Wars, etc. Try to find them (yay! scavenger hunting time) and ask them why they play there rather than Dragonball Z. If you do happen to do this, please post their comments. I myself might aswell give an attempt to see why. InamotO has apparently moved on from Dragonball Z or something, even though he pops in every once in a while...moved onto being a developer/sysop/owner of another zone. Asked me for a few pointers once or twice.

 

I have taken all your suggestions into thought, thanks. If you want to help me out, one thing you can do is by trying to convince one of the programmers here to follow up on my plugin request HERE.

and you've completely went off-topic, i was talking about the zone development, moron.

 

anyway, while you're off-topic, i guess i'll reply to it.

 

when i was the sysop there, and when i made the map, i did not do any of the things you claimed me to do at all. if you have proof of this, then i'd like you to very much share it with me and everyone else.

l.c., you are trying to make it look so personal when you're talking about me, but it really doesn't offend me. i never said my work was gold, i never claimed it to be anything better than anyone else's, so don't make foolish !@#$%^&*umptions that i'm ignorant and arrogant. also l.c., you were hardly even about when my work was up so you might as well shut up on that point. how could you of even seen my work? you were using subchat over 3 quarters of the time at that particular point in the past.

 

and please, don't bring up these staff names and facts/points that you can't even back up okay?

 

i never said it was because you were hired, then given sysop position. you are once again, making foolish !@#$%^&*umptions. i'm merely pissed off at the fact you're so !@#$%^&*ing proud of reverting the zone back to a state where it doesn't even LOOK related to dbz now. how long did you spend researching? a long time right? and you came out with this project? what the !@#$%^&*, take a look at the new london olympic 2012 logo... spent so long researching and came out with utter crap.

 

why are you still bringing up my past? that was a long time ago, i haven't wanted to be staff since i left which was also, a long time ago. none of your jibber-jabber relates to the point i'm trying to make. you just keep on changing the subject on to me and bringing up my bad past. and by the way, since we're on the subject of who likes who, and who doesn't - you were disliked (and still are) when you came back to ss with your arrogance. you're not so ignorant, but you are definetely arrogant and still are.

 

okay, so what, you think you're taking the right path by:

 

- trying so hard to make the zone look professional

- removing lvz

- removing awesome bot features

- archiving old maps

- making a new website

- making a new news.txt

 

?

 

and no, rjb did an awesome job with the bots, and certainly made them better than you ever could've done. alot of people approved of them too, especially the AI bots. of course, you don't like to see a zone like that now would you l.c.? also, where are you getting your facts and figures from?

i'm one of those people, l.c., who like to see GOOD changes and NEW changes. how many times has the zone reverted back to old stuff? and how many times has it worked? hardly any. i don't want to see the zone fall to a point where you finally realise your changes suck to the zone.

 

once again, you ignore my point where: making a zone look professional doesn't increase population and help gameplay.

 

standard, of course, you'll come back with some reply saying "no i'm not!" or "god you're so arrogant and ignorant apache/lp"

 

l.c., you don't even play the !@#$%^&*ing SUPER zone, you play SVS zones and you prefer them. make dbz less svs setting-like kthx. it's supposed to be a super zone, it's supposed to be somewhat hard to kill.

 

and next time, actually respond to my comments on-topic, i'd rather you didn't bring up my irrelevant past. it's better to stay on-topic, no?

 

@d+: i heard otherwise. but sorry for !@#$%^&*uming you might shut the zone down. (which is why i put probably...)

[L.C.]

I'm not going to argue. I find it pointless it argue with The Apache. In my mind it keeps popping up that it would be quite immature to play such childish game of arguing. -_- I'm sure the public can decide for themselves on which sides to take, not something I care too much about.

 

Fortunate thing is, I don't have to listen to you, nor do you have the authority besides Death+ or Goku8234 to alter what I'm doing. There is not a single person that will fully agree to anything that happens to DBZ or any other zone or server. So far I have been pretty much listening to players of Dragonball Z very well except you. Dragonball Z was already long dead after you quit (more so when Rick James was taking his shot at it). My intention was to atleast let it die in a more proper, fashionable, and appropriate way, and in no way was I expecting any population changes. I don't see why you care; if you cared you wouldn't have left Dragonball Z as a staff member.

Edited July 2, 2007 by L.C.

[The Apache]

i never put my statements and arguments up to gain popularity, this has never in my eyes been a popularity contest or a sides-taking topic.

 

thing is l.c., you are so narrow-minded to take in everyone else's big thoughts about the zone, that you actually hide yourself behind your !@#$%^&* work and pratically put your middle finger up at me and ignore everyone else around you. you try and take the maturity step to get away from it all - when you're just proving to me how ignorant you really are.

 

and no, it was "already long dead" after i quit. btw, do you know the reason why i quit? i quit BECAUSE OF YOU you stupid !@#$%^&*ing moron. your arrogance led me to quit staffing there because you thought you were better than everybody else and it pissed me off quite alot.

furthermore, rjb gained dbz population dumb!@#$%^&*. way to prove yourself wrong.

 

proper, fashionable and appropriate way? lol, again, another big "!@#$%^&* you" to the people who made dbz great. l.c., everyone who made dbz what it was BEFORE you worked on it made dbz dbz. and so far, none of your attempts have made it any better whatso!@#$%^&*ingever.

 

i care because i don't want to see such a great zone fall down by the hands of some arrogant idiot who thinks the final solution to everything would be to revert everything.

 

r.i.p ssci dbz.

[Hakaku]

And to think, just a while ago you two seemed to be more or less on the same apge. Anyway, just arguing over what DBZ zone should or shouldn't look/be/feel like, or arguing over 'what's the best way to kill the zone'... do something about the zone.

 

The Apache, though you might have a lot of good points, the fact is, you're no longer owner, so you can't force any changes down someone else's throat. Just sit back, grab some popcorn, and laugh at what you see as a pathetic attempt to revive DBZ zone.

 

LC, if you don't want to argue, don't be a hypocrit. Go with the flow and accept criticism and work through that. DBZ still has a ways to go, but if you keep at it, then it's possible.

[The Apache]

that's the thing, i never tried to argue about how to kill the zone... lol, i'm saying and pointing out what will probably be it's downfall. of course, i know i can't do anything about it accept voice my opinions but instead i get called a suck up to the new, arrogant and ignorant.

 

l.c., as i've said many times, hasn't made any significant changes to the zone and just reverted back to the olden years of dbz and i just don't want to see a zone i used to play a lot die in the hands of this !@#$%^&*.

i'm on his perm-ignore list now, i made some opinions in a nice manner which some people backed me up on but instead there was no reply from l.c.

 

and for the record: i was never an owner - just did developing. i'd love to help develop the zone right now, but i'm not going to work with L.C. because of his sheer big-headedness.

i can co-operate with the people i don't like sometimes, but not with l.c.

Edited July 2, 2007 by The Apache