O.A.R. Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 You are referring more to poverty and corruption more than gun control. You think homicides would go down with tighter gun control in Brazil? They would not, it has been tested in Australia and to some extent Britian as well. Again, criminals will get guns regardless of the law and abiding citizens will follow the law and not have guns, resulting in more problems. Take your perfect world, no guns, you think gangs go away? They simply start stabbing people. America is different because the vast majority of its population is not in poverty or under gang control.
Aileron Posted May 18, 2007 Report Posted May 18, 2007 The statistics are that gun-related crimes have gone down in those countries, though overall crime rates are going up. That indicates that common thugs are more-or-less switching weapons rather than using the black market, though it is making crime worse. The difference is still negligable though. The big way to stop crime is to limit drug use. Eliminating poverty and changing street culture are also important. Really, the idea to ban the machinery is the result of small-minded idiots too weak to go after the real problems. In my opinion, any 1st world country can cut their crime to about 10% of their current level if they made drug dealership a capital offense. Civilized countries aren't used to solving their problems with such brutality, hence why the druglords are winning the War on Drugs. The reason Brazil's gang problem is that bad is because it is a lot closer to Columbia than the US, both geographically and culturally. (Columbia doesn't have crime problems because the drug lords have more power than the government does, so their actions have superceded the government definition of "crime".)
O.A.R. Posted May 18, 2007 Report Posted May 18, 2007 or legalize drugs and tax the !@#$%^&* out of them.
AstroProdigy Posted May 19, 2007 Report Posted May 19, 2007 "The big way to stop crime is to limit drug use." That obviously has failed miserably in the US. Make drug dealership a capital offense? While we're at it let's keep going and go under some Christian version of Sharia law. Brazil's crime is because it's a lot closer to Colombia than the US? Colombia doesn't have crime problems? You obviously have an extremely shallow and uneducated understanding of Latin America.
Aileron Posted May 19, 2007 Report Posted May 19, 2007 Astro...did you read the caveat? I said Columbia's crime problem was so bad that it is a country which is run by the druglords who have a pesky problem of a government to deal with. If crime were analagous to water, Brazil's problem is that their town is flooded. Columbia's problem is that there are a couple houses left standing in the middle of their lake. First off why must every idea I come up with be branded as some Christian idea? In actuality this idea came from China, who though brutal and repressive, has won their war on drugs. Secondly, what's wrong with Christian-based laws when followed correctly? I mean, I'd first legalize the lesser drugs such as marijuanna before doing this, but your typical drug dealer is worse than your typical murderer. Drug dealers charge their victims to kill them. Not ony that, but these addicts usually have to resort to crime in order to buy more drugs. Drugs have the ability to make any user stupid and desperate almost instantly. A drug dealer can destroy a whole community just by setting up shop and we have watched it happen over and over in our cities for the last 40 years. And our biggest problem is that it is so profitable the minute we take one dealer off the streets, another one takes his place. Our prisons are becoming overcrowded with them. These amount to practical problems for which a capital sentence is a solution. However, the moral reason for this is simple: Drug dealers don't merely cause a single crime or take an individual life, they destroy the entire community around them, and they know they do so, they just like the profits more than the community.
AstroProdigy Posted May 20, 2007 Report Posted May 20, 2007 Colombia has a democratic government, however there is quite a lot of trouble with powerful drug warlords. Insane killing people for things that don't warrant a death penalty has had a long history with both Christianity and Islam. Let's not use China as an example for law unless you want to be murdered for speaking out on anything. Who's to judge whether you are following Christian based laws correctly? They try to do that with Islam is the result is a travesty in human rights. The best thing to do is remove most religious influences from law. Brazil's problem is one of the highest income inequalities in the world causes droves of disgruntled people and massive amounts of crime. The United States also has this to a much lesser degree. I agree marijuana should be legalized. In fact I see legalizing marijuana as gaining the ability to make a profit off of it the way the government does with tobacco, while at the same time making it safer and lightening the jail population to better be able to punish the real criminals.
11___________ Posted May 23, 2007 Report Posted May 23, 2007 You are crazy. I have my own gun, a .22\410 shottie. The harm this would do if everyone carried guns. Cops having to think every single person in all of the US is carrying a conceiled weapon (and is). Seriously, 30 people dying isnt horrible. More people died that day from cars in the US. The media grabs hold of anything that might bring your attention, usually not caring for significance.
Incomplete Posted May 23, 2007 Report Posted May 23, 2007 I dont see how youd expect gun crimes to go down when more guns are available. All it would take is 1 corrupt teacher. Alot of teachers are corrupt, you always hear about a teacher sleeping with a student or teachers hittin students etc...
NBVegita Posted May 23, 2007 Report Posted May 23, 2007 Sleeping with, and or hitting a student is a far cry from killing one of them.
Incomplete Posted May 23, 2007 Report Posted May 23, 2007 I know that, but it's still part of corruption. You expect every teacher to be 100% legitimate? Not to be corrupt in any way?
NBVegita Posted May 23, 2007 Report Posted May 23, 2007 Everyone has a little corruption, but there is a difference between a little corruption and killing someone. Namely a child.
AstroProdigy Posted May 24, 2007 Report Posted May 24, 2007 The second you had an imbalanced teacher go on a shooting spree with a gun provided to them by this then you'd see it die right away.
NBVegita Posted May 24, 2007 Report Posted May 24, 2007 I'm not saying I'm for this by any means, but if a teacher was imbalanced enough to go on a shooting spree, who says the school would need to provide the gun for them to do that? Yes I know this way they might have access to a gun where they might otherwise not, but it can go either way.
Incomplete Posted May 24, 2007 Report Posted May 24, 2007 Obviously providing the gun for them just makes it worse! When I was in school I wouldve rather slept with my teacher than get shot by her.
Synister Posted May 24, 2007 Report Posted May 24, 2007 I watched a do!@#$%^&*entary, found out over 11000 people die a year in the USA due to gun use, alot of it is from school shootings and kids using guns.. I dont know if anyone said this but they make it too easy to get a gun in the US and the laws about having a gun aren't very strict.. Yea well felt like putting my 2 cents in there
L.C. Posted May 25, 2007 Report Posted May 25, 2007 Society became more corrupted just by removing the teacher's ability to discipline children properly.When a child does something bad, he needs to be punished immediately. If it takes you to get across the house and back just to get a spanking rod, you have already failed the event. A teacher and parent needs to have a spanking/discipline device with them at all times; when a child does bad, they get disciplined immediately. If you really care about arguing this topic, I suggest you watch Michael Pearl's DVDs (specifically Teaching Responsibility and The Joy of Training; obviously I'm too lazy to go into details myself, so I just refer you to go watch something ). Society became more corrupted by allowing the government to require licenses for firearms (simply this is a whole setup to eventually take away firearms from the rest of society who bothered to get a license).Requiring society to get a license in order to have a firearm means there will be less people who will apply for a license, because they don't care enough to get one. If a license to have a firearm was non-existant, people would get guns for the sake of it and because they have more care since it's that much more convenient, easier, etc. Society became more corrupted to not do anything about anything.That's most people to you. People read the news and give their opinion (whether it be mental, private, or what-not) and continue life. Who cares man? Most people obviously do (or atleast you can hope), but they obviously don't do anything besides run their lives as constant and simply they can. I think all the school shootings in American history were done by males (teenage boys). If you peak into their lives and their family life and think about it, did you know that the bond between the shooter and his family was absurdly weak?Take Columbine for example. The kid was storing all kinds of explosives in his basement, right under his parent's nose who never noticed. Their family was weak because they didn't know each other and had a terrible family bond, social life, etc. The parent's never knew their kid to begin with. Go back to other shootings and you'll find a very similar pattern. Why did most of these shootings happen? Because the parent's failed to parent and have a decent and strong family life. Resources: fdrs.org (read up on the Federal Reserve History, then study the Resources page ), Michael Pearl's DVDs (Teaching Responsibilities & The Joy of Training), InfoWars.
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