Guns in Schools

[The Real Picard]

I just had, admittedly a whacked out idea... if bad and/or crazy kids can gets into high schools, colleges, etc. then why not allow all kids in those age groups the right to protect themselves by allowing them as well to have conceiled weapons permits? Of course under strict guidelines, phychological testing, etc. Then, when some whacked out kids decides to take out 20 or 30 kids, maybe one of them will be able to pop the whacko thereby saving lives that would have been lost.

 

I mean, the crazies get the guns anyway, why shouldn't good kids be allowed to defend themselves?

 

Your thoughts?

TRP

[Muskrat]

You can't be in high school if you're old enough to buy a gun or have a CHL.

 

I plan on learning/working/teaching at a college or university for my whole life, and I'd rather it didn't become the next battleground against insanity. Schools generally have an aura of exception when it comes to stuff like war, and I want to keep it that way. Arming a campus? A crude answer, if you ask me.

[MrOmelet]

I just had, admittedly a whacked out idea... if bad and/or crazy kids can gets into high schools, colleges, etc. then why not allow all kids in those age groups the right to protect themselves by allowing them as well to have conceiled weapons permits? Of course under strict guidelines, phychological testing, etc. Then, when some whacked out kids decides to take out 20 or 30 kids, maybe one of them will be able to pop the whacko thereby saving lives that would have been lost.

 

I mean, the crazies get the guns anyway, why shouldn't good kids be allowed to defend themselves?

 

Your thoughts?

TRP

 

 

If (and I mean a big if) you're going to start arming people at school shouldn't it be the teachers/adults? Raging hormones + guns is never a good idea in my opinion.

 

There are a lot of better ways to handle the situation than creating another battle field... although, as a Forensic Psychologist this idea would probably more than quadruple my "business" =P

[The Real Picard]

I just had, admittedly a whacked out idea... if bad and/or crazy kids can gets into high schools, colleges, etc. then why not allow all kids in those age groups the right to protect themselves by allowing them as well to have conceiled weapons permits? Of course under strict guidelines, phychological testing, etc. Then, when some whacked out kids decides to take out 20 or 30 kids, maybe one of them will be able to pop the whacko thereby saving lives that would have been lost.

 

I mean, the crazies get the guns anyway, why shouldn't good kids be allowed to defend themselves?

 

Your thoughts?

TRP

 

 

If (and I mean a big if) you're going to start arming people at school shouldn't it be the teachers/adults? Raging hormones + guns is never a good idea in my opinion.

 

There are a lot of better ways to handle the situation than creating another battle field... although, as a Forensic Psychologist this idea would probably more than quadruple my "business" =P

 

Very well put and an excellent idea and solution to the potential problems that exist with kids bringing guns into schools. Well said. I wonder why this hasn't been thought of in much larger terms by the government or media. I for one, would have no problem with armed teachers helping to protect my children against mentally disturbed or deranged killers.

 

Nicely said Mr. Omelet and welcome to Forum Central (a Chaos player, Mr. Omelet is no monkey). Nice to see you here!

 

Peace

TRP

[RedWaller]

Kids in the states can get the permit. It's quite sad in my opinion.

[The Real Picard]

Kids in the states can get the permit. It's quite sad in my opinion.

 

 

Which kids where in the states? I don't believe thats true, though I could be wrong.

[RedWaller]

In some states you can get a gun. Not in all, that's not what I meant. They talked heavily about permits given to children after the VT Shooting.

[The Real Picard]

In some states you can get a gun. Not in all, that's not what I meant. They talked heavily about permits given to children after the VT Shooting.

 

 

What states???

[Aileron]

Age limits are strange things actually:

 

Drinking Beer: 21

Smoking Cigarettes: 18

Buying paint or rubber cement: 18

Joining the Military: 17

Driving a Car: 16

Carrying a gun: 12, though you must be 18 to purchase the gun

Flying an airplane: 8, provided you have 500 hrs experience in the air.

 

That idea would work for colleges and universities. I'd also say it would work for high schools provided gun carrying was limited to 17-18 year olds. It is certainly implausible for junior high or elemtary schools. (I forget what they are called in Europe...not that it matters because no European would consider this anyway.)

 

However, a safer varient of this idea is to have teachers carry firearms or atleast some kind of ranged taser. What's preventing this type of policy from being implemented is politics.

[The Real Picard]

Age limits are strange things actually:

 

Drinking Beer: 21

Smoking Cigarettes: 18

Buying paint or rubber cement: 18

Joining the Military: 17

Driving a Car: 16

Carrying a gun: 12, though you must be 18 to purchase the gun

Flying an airplane: 8, provided you have 500 hrs experience in the air.

 

That idea would work for colleges and universities. I'd also say it would work for high schools provided gun carrying was limited to 17-18 year olds. It is certainly implausible for junior high or elemtary schools. (I forget what they are called in Europe...not that it matters because no European would consider this anyway.)

 

However, a safer varient of this idea is to have teachers carry firearms or atleast some kind of ranged taser. What's preventing this type of policy from being implemented is politics.

 

Now c'mon... where'd you get this information on a 12 year old legally carrying a gun?! Certainly they can't get a concealed weapons permit! I mean, I could see a hunting rifle with Dad, so there must be some sort of stipulations on a 12 year old toting around a scoped high powered hunting rifle, right???

 

[NBVegita]

I was never worried about people coming in and shooting up my highschool. I lived in a bad neighborhood and if someone tried to shoot up the school, they wouldn't have made it out of the foyer, and it wouldn't have been an officer shooting them.

[Incomplete]

Maybe only certain teachers should be allowed to have a gun to protect the pupils / students. But the pupils / students having guns themselves isnt so much a brilliant idea.

[The Real Picard]

Maybe only certain teachers should be allowed to have a gun to protect the pupils / students. But the pupils / students having guns themselves isnt so much a brilliant idea.

 

 

Agreed "if" the teacher keeps in concealed on their body and not laying in a desk drawer or purse where a kid might grab it. I think that's a solution to a problem. Shame it doesn't happen.

 

I remember in my day, if someone came in with a knife it was a big deal, a fight was a fight, punching, even kicking was considered sissified.

[Incomplete]

Would be better if they had a safe they could put the gun(s) in.

[The Real Picard]

Would be better if they had a safe they could put the gun(s) in.

 

What so when they heard gunfire, they could drop the key, or shake so much they couldn't turn the tumblers? Nah, they should be strappin', I remember how I wanted a strappin' teacher way back... hehe

[rootbear75]

Buying paint or rubber cement: 18

Flying an airplane: 8, provided you have 500 hrs experience in the air.

are you serious?

why the !@#$%^&* do you need to be 18 to buy paint/rubber cement... i can go down to Home Depot and get a bottle of paint w/o even being checked.

 

and flying an airplane? WTF?

[The Real Picard]

Yeah that one caught my eye too, what state can you fly an airplace at eight years old... cmon, an 8 yr old is not mentally or physically able fly any aircraft, except maybe a remote controlled one...

 

TRP

[Aileron]

Airflight is Federally regulated, so its every state. They just don't believe in age restrictions and base it upon real experience and testing. If the 8 year old can find a trainer and get 500 hrs airtime and can prove his knowledge in a test.

 

I guess its just Walmart who checks for glue. However, they don't require id - it only is noticable when using an automated machine.

 

Hunting was what I was referring to. Note in most states children can hunt independently of parents though.

[O.A.R.]

TRP is right. Arm the teachers. Arm the airline pilots. try flexing with a boxcutter when the pilot has a .38 pointed at you.

[L.C.]

In public schools ("free" education environment) all teachers should be required [to have adequete, certified, and passing firearms training] and be required to carry a loaded pistol with them at all times. Students however should be denied the right in this environment.

 

In colleges (such as Virginia Tech, for example) both teachers and students should have the right, and teachers having the training.

 

Did you know that there is significantly less burglaries in homes that have a firearm? Even more so when the owner (or an individual) is at home with access to their firearm? Let us say you were planning to go kamakazie and launch an assault attack on your local society to try kill as many people as possible. If everyone were armed, the question is "what would you be up against?" Everyone of course. You may be able to kill 1 to 5 people at most, but by then you'll be dead at the hands of the true militia (flashback into American Revolution times). You cannot depend on the law or authority to save you from someone who is able to shoot your classmate point blank while you are held as hostage.

 

Statistics or information? Research at http://www.gunfacts.info/ or more directly http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/4....ts4-1-Print.pdf.

 

 

Ps. Blaming guns is like blaming sASSS for Rosie O'Donnel for being fat.

 

 

Now c'mon... where'd you get this information on a 12 year old legally carrying a gun?! Certainly they can't get a concealed weapons permit! I mean, I could see a hunting rifle with Dad, so there must be some sort of stipulations on a 12 year old toting around a scoped high powered hunting rifle, right???

Hint: country and away from cities.

 

As you are finding that it would be unbelievable to see or have 8 year olds being allowed to operate aircraft (not remote controlled) because they are mentally, physically, and incapable, it is the same to support my reasoning with "In public schools" and "In colleges." It takes all that plus maturity to be responsible. Just examine how much drama and emo goes on in public schools.

 

Like mentioned earlier by Mr. Omelet, raging hormones and a gun at hand isn't a very good idea. I think by the time they're in college they have gotten a lot more control over themselves and their hormones aswell as maturity.

Edited May 15, 2007 by L.C.

[Synister]

I may be wrong on this but if the good kids got a gun to protect themselves.. them being good what are chances of them actually reacting fast enough and killing the psycho shooting the place up? The way i see it is they'll have the gun but be too !@#$%^&* to shoot and they'll get shot first so what's the point?

 

PS: Didnt read other posts before this so if i just repeated something someone else said, w/e.

[The Real Picard]

TRP is right. Arm the teachers. Arm the airline pilots. try flexing with a boxcutter when the pilot has a .38 pointed at you.

 

 

I had to read that THREE times!!! Thanks OAR. And you too are right!

 

Peace

TRP

[Incomplete]

It would eventually lead to more crimes though. Someone gets really angry with someone else that they hate and if theres enough anger then you know what it would lead to. Plus gangs would be able to get hold of a firearm alot more easily and the whole place could turn out to be a gang war.

[O.A.R.]

Incomplete,

The types of guns that serious gangs are using are illegal in America. If someone is going to kill someone, they are going to do it. When do you decide to ban knives? In america, the states where gun control is tightest have not seen a decline in violent gun crime. The problem is that a person who wants a gun to hunt is going to wait through the background checks and waiting period to get their gun, the guy who wants to shoot his neighbor over the dog crapping in his yard is gonna go downtown and buy from a pawn shop or someone on the street and do his thing. Take a state like Texas, when they introduced concealed carry, muggings went down. Who would mug someone who might have a gun on them?

[Incomplete]

If everyone had a gun then obviously gun crime is gonig to go up. If I had a gun and someone else who i wanted to kill had a gun, id just take him by suprise and shoot him without him even knowing I was there.

 

Take Brazil for example, pretty much everyone who wants a gun can get one. They had 48,378 homicides alone in 2004. Gang members there would accept payment of £25 to kill someone. Why would America be any different?