jDs's issue

[JDS]

SOS> Kick the spectators, avast. I don't like afkers.

tm_master> SOS, you could do that yourself, you know.

tm_master> But why bother

Avast> because he was like, "come to deva guys" and then i said, guys come to deva and ill ban whoever you dont like

Avast> so ta banned me, lol

SOS> I could? Well, yea, but I think X would be annoyed if he found out. He likes afkers, I think.

ra$ta420> lol doosh, a f

tm_master> Of course he likes afk-ers, SOS. That's all he does now.

ra$ta420> who jds?

tm_master> He would defend his kind

SOS> !ban -t=1 jds

* MODERATOR WARNING: You have been banned from this arena for 1 minutes. 1 minutes remaining on your ban. -Deva-Bot-0

WARNING: Disconnected from server

 

 

Well, until you guys are not !@#$%^&* heads ( which wont happen) , i wont be back in deva

If i can't afk there, i have no reason to be there, goodridance

 

 

 

---and what was really funny

 

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jDs> ?messages

[May 06 02:18] tm_master: Nobody banned you.

Edited May 7, 2007 by JDS

[ra$ta420]

All i can say is,u got banned for nothing ...dont quit cuz this..stop being emo..

 

But i don't see why tm would message you u didn't get banned,when clearly you did.

[»SOS]

It was a 1 minute ban, since I just had bot powers and could not actually kick.

 

 

And I do hate afking and I think Devastation is better off without afkers in there. If you only want to afk there, jds, then you really are only damaging the zone.

[tm_master]

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[May 06 02:18] tm_master: Nobody banned you.

 

You were not banned. MEANING: Upon reading your message, I promptly logged into banG and checked ?listban. When someone tells me they have been "banned" this is the first place I check. Furthermore, as far as the conversation, it was obvious sarcasm (I was kidding and didn't think he'd actually do it). Furthermore, I don't even consider what SOS did a ban. It was no worse than a 1 minute kick, WHICH IF YOU WEREN'T AFK, YOU COULD ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY RE-ENTER THE ZONE.

 

As far as the afk-ing, I think SOS has a great point. I don't think almost constant 24/7 afk-ing to up your SSC usage is necessarily wrong, but it's not helping the zone in any way. In fact, I think SOS is right, it's doing the exact opposite: giving it a bad reputation.

 

I am very, very disappointed in you, jDs. I went out of my way to give you power in Devastation that nobody else currently has so you could help the zone, and you repayed me by afk-ing more than ever, doing very little actual playing and/or encouraging others to play, and are now trying to start pointless drama over a 1 minute kick through the bot, NOT EVEN A REAL BAN. Exactly the type of e-drama I try to keep out of Devastation. Hardly a reason to attempt to start a flame topic, especially with that !@#$%^&*le, on this forum. Tsk tsk.

 

You talk about us acting like "!@#$%^&* heads," when in reality it is you who acts this way most of the time. As well as starting and attempting to start unnecessary drama in and out of the zone, you have publicly bashed me (the most), as well as the rest of Devastation's staff and even other loyal players on numerous occasions for seemingly no reason. I let alot of this stuff fly in Devastation, but you should know that it DOES bother me. In many other zones (including many of those you frequent), you can and will be banned without question or explanation if you do or say some of the things you have. That entire conversation was taken out of context, and blown WAY out of proportion.

 

Anyway, I find this to be the most hypocritical statement I have read in quite awhile (I must admit I did laugh out loud after reading it):

 

Well, until you guys are not !@#$%^&* heads ( which wont happen) , i wont be back in deva

If i can't afk there, i have no reason to be there, goodridance

 

I never said you COULDN'T afk in Devastation, but I won't say that I AGREE with it. SOS is apparently the one who has the biggest problem with it, but I don't see why you should quit a zone for a 1 minute kick. Honestly, that's just overreacting, and this thread further proves that. Please just stop this nonsense and come back already.

[Synook]

Hey... it is better than not being there at all

Also, it makes the zone pop look higher

[tm_master]

Hey... it is better than not being there at all

 

To me, it is basically like not being there at all. What's the point of being in the game if not playing, in spec, and most importantly unreachable through private messages? All this afk SSC usage-whoring was not what the game was designed for. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You are not your usage. Since you have so many people exploiting this on a regular basis, it means absolutely nothing. What can you possibly be trying to gain by doing this? This game was meant to be played and enjoyed, and many of us are forgetting that, especially the veterans. I look at it this way: it's like calling someone, and getting an answering machine or voice mail every single time. Everybody dislikes it, and nobody ever wants to really leave a message.

Even the chat system is supposed to be secondary, but it turned into the primary use of SS for alot of people, which is a shame.

 

Many net-ops and upper zone staff do not enjoy playing the game with their players anymore. Existance is in their eyes only ceremonial, making them unreachable through most all means and turning them into perm-afking usage ASSS. From this stems ego-boosting and power abuse when others question their motives and judgment in even the slightest because they have lost their fundamental love of the game and feel like the other players owe them something for even still being there. I see this as a big reason the game is dying (possibly the primary one).

 

People hate things that are so impersonal. This is why I have tried to create an atmosphere in Devastation where players feel welcome, and don't enter a cold zone filled with unresponsive afk-ers. You'll find that when I am on Continuum, I am playing or if in spec, always reachable through private messages and ready to jump in as soon as there are others willing to play.

 

Also, it makes the zone pop look higher

 

True, but any player who does enter and sees the same people in spec and always afk with no response when greeted or private messaged, will most likely either leave immediately or from that point on subtract the number of known afk-ers from the population to figure out the "real" population. Not a good reputation to have. The same goes for having too many bots.

 

Anyway, I am not the one who kicked jDs. And I would never kick or ban someone from the zone myself for afk-ing. I do not believe in doing that, although I do not agree with constant afk-ing.

[Hakaku]

Using the ban command means you banned him, not kicked, no matter how long or short it was, a ban is still a ban. Don't change the story around please.

 

Both afk'ing and abusing powers are both bad for any zone, and Deva's the least that needs this crap. Please move on to another zone, such as 17th Parallel, or Halo if you prefer life that way.

Edited May 8, 2007 by Hakaku

[jacob hunter!]

Yea dan stop being so emo over it....

 

 

anyways <3 tm with all my heart ^_^

[ra$ta420]

I don't see why you should quit a zone for a 1 minute kick. Honestly, that's just overreacting, and this thread further proves that. Please just stop this nonsense and come back already.

 

Yea dan stop being so emo over it....

 

^^^^^^^^^^

[JDS]

ive given as much as i can to devastaion, always there while most people arnt', i dogfight with random people when they come into the zone untill they get bored, i say hi to every person that enters without fail, But with work i need to sleep early unfortuantly at the time the main player base comes on. Its not a desk job.. i have to lift stuff and do hard work.

 

I just dont like ignorance . ( and pleace dont try to turn that on me and say 'oh this thread is ignorant' , or 'getting mad over this is ignorant')

I cant be there 24/7 and if i am there, doesnt mean i am able to play

 

I liked' devastaion because of the player base, staff were so friendly, players were close, and there was no sign of coruption or stupid mods, the fact is that i was banned (kicked) for 1 minute. It seems trivial, it IS trivial but the fact is that i was banned for sitting in spec. I was just trying to represent the zone, i dont mind sitting in spec else where - il represent them.

 

 

And tm, i would never abuse any power you gave me, and im sure il put the razor away one day and come back. I am just a little mad.

 

 

 

 

 

..rasta never .. EVER.. quote dooshe berry. thanks

[No_Remorse]

i quit devastation over this!!

 

lol j/k

[the_accountant]

I think this garbage is hilarious.

[transverse]

No matter how long he kicked him for, it should of been a form of abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.

[jacob hunter!]

lol DAN WTF... rasta can qoute me k?

[PaRa$iTe]

No matter how long he kicked him for, it should of been a form of abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.

In this case, yes. Wether afkers are or aren't a problem isn't really the point here; if the normal zone policy is to leave them be, then they should IMO be left in spec if that's what they want.

A 1 minute ban is nothing, really, and I can't say it made much harm, but since it was against the normal zone policy, and without any support in rules, I can't say I think it was a good thing to do.

If you kicked every afker after a while (as they have bots do in EG) or make afking for too long illegal, I won't be the one to cry about it. But using your powers in different ways depending on what mood you are in isn't a good thing

 

Nevertheless, I also do think jDs overreacted somewhat. As long as it happens only once, and doesn't do that much damage to anyone, I personally think it really doesn't matter that much, as long as the person involved (here SOS) agrees either not to do it again, or to do it every time he spots an afker. If you get kicked another time for no reason, however, THEN it's a serious matter.

 

Players are usually allowed a warning before any action is taken. Do the same for SOS. Keep playing the zone

 

-Devastated

[No_Remorse]

SOS is beyond that of mere regulations and rules...

[XDOOM]

Have I missed something the last couple of weeks?

 

Anywho, i'm be afk in deva all the time instead of not in deva at all anymore

 

XDOOM

[Hakaku]

Anywho, i'm be afk in deva all the time instead of not in deva at all anymore

Well, I guess this answers the problem of being allowed to afk or not.

[»1587200]

Dude, there's this Deva-Bot-0 guy who is ALWAYS afk. I think something needs to be done about him.

[jacob hunter!]

You sure its not just a bot sy?

[Obsol33t]

A one minute ban is nothing, what is a problem for devastation is the amount of people on deva chat that do not play in the zone. i know i'm off topic here but honestly, arguing over a one minute ban is ridiculous.

[Shock]

It's not about how long it was. The fact of the matter is, he was unjustly removed from the zone, no matter the time. That is still a form of abuse, as transverse said. It shouldn't be tolerated.

[No_Remorse]

wahh?

 

Just thought I'd point out how back in 99/00 I would get banned from SWZ for saying words like, !@#$%^&*/!@#$%^&*/fck for weeks at a time, then finally 5000 days...

Edited May 10, 2007 by No_Remorse

[Shock]

Well, a zone can do whatever they want to people, as long as it stays within the zone. That's not what the debate is.. it's about how it IS abuse.

[»SOS]

The debate? I can't find anyone here saying it was not abuse