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ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 most likely because he will never take 2000+ shots in a season. I'm not a fan of either one but in iversons first year with the 76ers they went 22-66, at least the hornets went 38-44 pauls first year. Edit: Chris Paul was the rookie of the year in 2005. Paul may have been rookie of the year, but he will never accomplish anything more. Iverson has the heart and drive nobody else does. who else can carry his team to the finals like iverson did with the 2001 Sixers? nobody on that team averaged more than 10 points other than iverson. all he had were OK players: rebounders, shot blockers, etc. Paul will never be on Iverson's level. Iverson is a scorer, he can miss 10 straight and can't wait to take another shot. i love that about him.
NBVegita Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) My problem with iverson is that he's a gunner. He takes more shots than 90% of the players out there, and he has a mediocre % if he's on he'll knock down the house, but if he's off he's had games where's he has taken 45 shots and made 10 of em. That doesn't help your team. And I know its always blamed on the "oh no one else was there to shoot" but he's still doing it with the nuggets. I mean with Melo as captain and shot leader, iverson only took 92 shots less than he did. I'm not saying anyone's better than the other, imo iverson is a very good guard, but he's not the be all end all either. Edit: he's no MJ. Edited May 16, 2007 by NBVegita
Guest sssbest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 being banned really sucks. i love these forums people. does anyone liek me?
NBVegita Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 not for me tho :/ same thing in your other post I don't get them :/
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 yea...he does have off games. BUT i've watched all his games, and i can tell when he is gonna have a good one and a bad one just by watching him in the first quarter. with the Nuggets, he's not doing it anymore, he doesn't shoot as much, his !@#$%^&*ists actually went up because he has help. this is their first year together, their chemistry isn't all there yet. plus, the playoffs doesn't count. he injured his elbow in the first game, and you can tell it bothered him the rest of the series, which is why his shots were off. but the thing about Iverson is, alot of his missed shots come from attempted layups. his shooting isnt necessarily bad. i know everybody would be afraid to leave the man wide open for a shot. LOL...first of all, MJ is overrated. put him in his prime against the league's superstars, he'd be like everybody else. back then, there weren't many players to compare him to. i've said this all along, if he was in his prime right now against iverson, kobe, tmac, carter, nash, amare, etc., he wouldn't be any better. you also have to realize that the game was played much easier back in the day. Iverson is my fav player and will always be. i admit that he has his weaknesses, but overall, he's better than any player. he's showed that once you put him with players who can finish consistently, he's unstoppable. in the allstar games, he easily racked up 15 !@#$%^&*ists in like 20-30 mins. the problem that i have with the Nuggets is that i didn't think Melo was a good fit for Iverson. i thought KG was a better fit. the team still needs a lot of building but they're going places.
Samapico Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 not for me tho :/ same thing in your other post I don't get them :/I see them fine... try a few F5... sometimes they just don't want to load
The Real Picard Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 Audry did you sneak a photo in? I saw your signature as a tatoo below your naval on the last page... Woman YOU ROCK!!!
Tiq Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 yea...he does have off games. BUT i've watched all his games, and i can tell when he is gonna have a good one and a bad one just by watching him in the first quarter. with the Nuggets, he's not doing it anymore, he doesn't shoot as much, his !@#$%^&*ists actually went up because he has help. this is their first year together, their chemistry isn't all there yet. plus, the playoffs doesn't count. he injured his elbow in the first game, and you can tell it bothered him the rest of the series, which is why his shots were off. but the thing about Iverson is, alot of his missed shots come from attempted layups. his shooting isnt necessarily bad. i know everybody would be afraid to leave the man wide open for a shot. LOL...first of all, MJ is overrated. put him in his prime against the league's superstars, he'd be like everybody else. back then, there weren't many players to compare him to. i've said this all along, if he was in his prime right now against iverson, kobe, tmac, carter, nash, amare, etc., he wouldn't be any better. you also have to realize that the game was played much easier back in the day. Iverson is my fav player and will always be. i admit that he has his weaknesses, but overall, he's better than any player. he's showed that once you put him with players who can finish consistently, he's unstoppable. in the allstar games, he easily racked up 15 !@#$%^&*ists in like 20-30 mins. the problem that i have with the Nuggets is that i didn't think Melo was a good fit for Iverson. i thought KG was a better fit. the team still needs a lot of building but they're going places. You can tell what type of game he is gonna have based on what types of shots he is taking. If he is driving the lane a lot, then he is gonna have a good night. If he's taking too many jump shots, then he will probably have an off night. I don't put much stock in these playoffs for the Nuggets since they still gotta work on the team chemistry and what not. People would be afraid to leave anybody capable of making a mid-range jumper open. Iverson is best when he attacks, not when he shoots. Back in Jordan's prime, he was unbeatable. In his prime against any of these guys, he would not be the same. There is a reason why Jordan is considered the best player of all time. There were plenty of dominant players during the Jordan era, but they could never beat him. The Malone-Stockton combo, probably the best duo in the history of the league, had two shots at him and faltered. No team in the east had a shot against Jordans' Bulls except maybe the 1997 Knicks. There was Hakeem, Reggie, David Robinson, Charles Barkley, etc. There were plenty of greats during the Jordan era. Let's not forget about Shaq. Shaquille O'Neal only won a championship after Jordan was out of his prime. Carter is too inconsistent in the playoffs to be considered a great. He's real good, but not great. Nash and Amare compliment eachother. Let's face it, the casual basketball fan who just watched games every couple nights new little of Amare until he started racking up 25 a game cuz of Nash. Kobe in his prime could arguably match up well against Jordan in his prime, but Kobe has needed a big man to help him to the finals. Jordan had mediocre to decent big men to help, but he never had a Shaquille O'Neal. T-Mac hasn't been able to get past the first round WITH a great big man, and he had one of his best years this year. I ain't knocking any of these players. Personally, my favorite player ever is Tracy McGrady. But Jordan is the best of all time. Case in point: the Bulls were in the playoffs both years he was gone in the mid-90s, but they were never able to reach the level they were at when Jordan was with them. That is not to say Jordan did it all by himself. He had the perfect role players, and of course, Scotty Pippen. Iverson is a great player, but he is by no means better than Jordan. I would even argue that he is not in the top 10 greatest players of all time. If he was unstoppable, then he would not need a good supporting cast to help carry him. I put NO stock in the all-star games. Those count for nothing. Jordan won a couple MVP as an all-star I think, but they don't count for much. The fact of the matter is, a great player is a player who can adapt to his situation and create something great out of it. That takes time of course. The Melo-Iverson combo could be dangerous, but they have a lot to work on. On a side-note: the pics are bangin'
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) well, like i said earlier, the game has gotten more difficult. defense is tight. of course Iverson would need a good supporting cast. that's what MJ had in his prime. his team was STACKED. if Iverson had that team, he could go to the finals easily. Iverson is one of the top 10 greatest players. how many players his size have accomplished as much as he has? MJ is still overrated. MJ in his prime in this league? he'd be another superstar. also, you have to realize that today, many of the superstars are Guards, whereas in the past, many of the great players were Centers and Forwards. that's why you can't compare MJ to them. you can easily compare MJ to today's Guards though, he's not any better. EDIT: one thing that you are wrong about is Iverson's shooting. it doesn't mean that if he starts off with jumpshots, he will have a bad game. he's had many games where he's torched the other team making all kinds of crazy shots, fade-aways, etc. it's the way he shoots and goes up for lay ups. you can tell in the manner that he goes up if he's nursing an injury or something that's bothering him. take the Hornets for example. i believe a couple years ago, he scored 58 points against them, making the most crazy jumpshots ever. he scored in the lane and used his jumpshot. also, every championship team has a scorer, 3-point specialist, shot blocker (strong big man), good PG, deep bench. MJ had all that. he had a lot of help. if he had some of the teams that the superstars have these days, he would go no where. Edited May 16, 2007 by L0SA
Tiq Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 For me I see a connection between Jordan and championships. Those Bulls could not have won another championship without him. Proven in the mid-90s. As a matter of fact, who the best player is is debatable. In my opinion, Jordan is. And let's not forget, it was he who inspired this generation of great guards. Ask any one of them and they will cite him as a primary influence.
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 16, 2007 Report Posted May 16, 2007 For me I see a connection between Jordan and championships. Those Bulls could not have won another championship without him. Proven in the mid-90s. As a matter of fact, who the best player is is debatable. In my opinion, Jordan is. And let's not forget, it was he who inspired this generation of great guards. Ask any one of them and they will cite him as a primary influence. i agree that he was a great player... but there were not many guards in HIS time to compare him to. you can't compare MJ to Malone, Pippen, etc. they don't play the same positions. come on... if AI, kobe, tmac, etc., were all in the league at that time, there wouldn't be as much focus on MJ. i still think he's overrated, and in my opinion, not the best player. but, people have their own opinions so the best player will always be debateable.
Shock Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 Someone tell me why this topic gradually goes from women to NBA.
NBVegita Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 We can spend all night trying to debate who some of the greats are but case in point is: Losa thinks iverson is the greatest player to ever live. None of us think that. Thats where it has to be left because otherwise this will turn into a pointless spam debate as has happened many times before. Just don't say that players won't ever be as good as him, specially when they've had better stats for the same time period as he has. But I guess you're en!@#$%^&*led to your opinion even if it is highly speculative and you are preaching it as fact based of a biased opinion of one of the two players in question.
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 well, i did say that the best player is debateable because people have their own opinions and reasons. do people not read what i type? just because no one here thinks he's the greatest, it doesn't mean that other people around the world don't. he's one of the most popular NBA players. i can easily go to Philly or anywhere and find someone who thinks so.
A Grape of Wrath Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 Point guards are supposed to create plays. Iverson is a street baller. In *my opinion*, I think Steve Nash is a better player because he is a playmaker. He looks to create plays for his teammates, which is what point guards role is.
ESCANDAL0SA Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 Point guards are supposed to create plays. Iverson is a street baller. In *my opinion*, I think Steve Nash is a better player because he is a playmaker. He looks to create plays for his teammates, which is what point guards role is. well, he grew up playing ball on the streets, so yea he is a streetballer. BUT, his main position isn't PG. he isn't a true PG, he just runs the point sometimes. he's a shooting guard, it's not so hard to see that.
»D1st0rt Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 LOSA> american football is better than basketball Thread over.
Chambahs Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) I concur. EDIT: Unfortunantly, D1 has stepped to losa's side and deleted my post that was telling all of you that i would give out my personal collection of attraction's underwear/nude/clothed pics, so i wont offer to give them out anymore, before losa commits suicide. Offer turned back. Blame D1. Thank you D1 for editing my posts. Edited May 17, 2007 by D1st0rt any time buddy
NBVegita Posted May 17, 2007 Report Posted May 17, 2007 I was just reiterating the fact that it is an opinion based argument. And I'll add to the vote: Football 4 life. Even college ball is better than pro ball.
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