Knight Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I just came across this when I was looking for a netop to place a ban. (seeing as TT is our temporary op atm for SSCC Metal Gear CTF) Here is a complete list of netops currently in SS. According the the council website: Bargeld - SSCX Alpha West SVSBlueGoku - SSCX Hockey ZoneGhostShip - SSC NetworkGrelminar - ASSS Server ProgrammerHoch - SSCU Death Star BattleKewlair - SSCB Red StarMackieman - SSCX Star Warzone, SSBase.com OwnerMikeTheNose - SSCU 17th Parallel, SSCouncil List AdminMine GO BOOM - Server Website/ProgrammerMr Ekted - SSCX Powerball, Client ProgrammerNightHawk - T3 The Gauntletpassplay - SSCX Chaos/PremierPointman - SSCX Extreme GamesPriitK - Client ProgrammerPure_Luck - SSCU Trench WarsTesttube - SSCC Metal Gear CTF, hoster of Subspacedownloads.com\ssdownloads.com, ssforum.net\sscentralWonderer - SSCX Warzone CTF, GetContinuum.com OwnerZeus - SSCX Extreme Games I got bored... and I got booted for command flooding... but uhh, here: Bargeld - Not online, last seen 8 days agoBlueGoku - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoGhostShip - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoGrelminar -grelminar is in SSCX PowerBallHoch - Not online, last seen 20 hours agoKewlair - Not online, last seen 10 hours agoMackieman - Not online, last seen 2 days agoMikeTheNose - Not online, last seen 12 hours agoMine GO BOOM - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoMr Ekted - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoNightHawk - Not online, last seen 2 hours agopassplay - Not online, last seen 6 days agoPointman - Not online, last seen 41 hours agoPriitK - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoPure_Luck - Not online, last seen 3 hours agoTesttube - Not online, last seen 38 hours agoWonderer - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoZeus - Not online, last seen more than 10 days ago Out of 18 listed netops: Only 9 have been on in the last week and only 6 in the last 24 hours. One of which is online now, but is currently AFK. Or ignoring people. who knows ^^ Now I know posting here will get nothing done. I just wanted to state that maybe we should rethink the current NetOp policy. Like for larger zones permit more then one level1 BanG Op. Or to possibly just find a few more active available netops in general. I've got no real solution for this. Other then there are quite a few known players among alot of zones that would make good possible netops. (I'm refering to alot of secondary sysops of most zones. I also don't mean for this post to insult anyone. I understand everyone has lives here. But I do still think we need more available netops. Or atleast active ones.
Cancer+ Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I agree with this post. I doubt anything will happen though.
»Maverick Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I doubt anything will happen though.Indeed, I think you're better off talking to a brick wall.
»1587200 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 Prittk and GS alias, and even though MGB doesn't play much in-game, he can always be found on his forum. And Mackieman...well, who cares about Mackieman anyway?
Hoch Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 The logic of this discussion is flawed because it !@#$%^&*umes far too much. For instance,many of the NetOp's on that list do not use the nick that has their lvl 1 BanG acccess.Either that, some NetOp's have lvl 1 access on a nick not represented on that list. Also, it does not take into account that those with lvl 1 access also tend to be the Sysopor owner of the zone. On that basis, as is the case for me, they can be contacted bymembers of their Staff. In my case, if anyone in my Staff needs to contact me theyknow to either e-mail me, or in emergencies all the Smods have my mobile phone number. Just because ?find XYZ says note online in the past 24 hours does not make it so. Nordoes it mean that SS does not have NetOp's that are capable of fulfilling their duties. Therefore, this discussion has no redeeming qualities because it !@#$%^&*umes too much.Unless there is something I missed other than 'The NetOp's aren't online, cry me a river'. -Hoch
PoLiX Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 GhostShip - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoMr Ekted - Not online, last seen more than 10 days agoPointman - Not online, last seen 41 hours agoWonderer - Not online, last seen more than 10 days ago GS = Aliased - Not online, last seen 5 days agoMr Ekted = Ekted, play pb and you'd see that happened long agoPointman = Aliased (And PM not being his original alias at that even)Wonderer = Retired, so not sure. Those ones I can atleast answer for. We're just lacking European ops is all, that is the big issue for most. They'd be able to cover a lot of those "5hrs, 12hrs" issues. That was what was nice about Loops especially, since he was Aussie, he was always there when most ops weren't.
MikeTheNose Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I would also like to add to Hoch's post, those on that list aren't netops. While some listed may have the access it's not ment for that purpose.
Hoch Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Those ones I can at least answer for. We're just lacking European ops is all, that is the big issue for most. They'd be able to cover a lot of those "5hrs, 12hrs" issues. That was what was nice about Loops especially, since he was Aussie, he was always there when most ops weren't.I tend to get most of the European/Asian issues. But more often than not unless thereis an NA awake throughout the night Euro and Asian times tend to be not as covered.But it is covered. Anyway, all I am saying is that if people think that there is a problem with availabilitythey should ask or investigate the matter a bit more before rushing to conclusions.For the most part, SS is well looked after when it comes to this -Hoch
»freakmonger Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 as already stated, most of them alias. I see ghost about every 3 days at the least, and he's always reachable via ICQ. !@#$%^&* I could reach ghost ship a lot faster than I could get ahold of SVS, and he was our sysop :/
Knight Posted April 18, 2007 Author Report Posted April 18, 2007 To true freak. I'm not aware there was a list aaside from that one I found showing who are netops. And if I do indeed have a net-related issue, I'm not going to go zone to zone going "?help Any netops on?" just to have the majority of the zones staff badger me with what it is about until it I finally explain the entire situation to them going "sorry, I can't do anything about it, and our netop isn't on" Which has happened on more then one occasion. Including in DSB. Your probably right that there is a large amount of netops I'm not aware of. However considering for the longest time of SVS being our inactive netop, I've searched for netops. Minus going ?listban, and hoping one of the last 100 bans worth of netops are on. (Normally being disconnected for ?finding 20 differe aliases, I can never seem to get ahold of one. Honestly, I've never had a problem that I can't inevitably sort out. I've either went and got the person locally banns in whichever zone they flock to after I've banned them in mine. Then I can normally find you, kewlair, svs, or jeri within a few days when I need something done. Normally kewlair the fastest, as funny as that is... But Unless someone is willing to make a publicised list on who people can contact. It kinda voids the purpose of having netops. "They are there, you just don't know who they are!" Doesn't really help in the slightest. I didn't mean to upset you hoch. Or expect anything done, I just like ranting. Besides... GS has finally given freakmonger netop in MG, so I soppose I don't have to worry anymore. ^^ tootles.
jacob hunter! Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Congrats freakmonger lol I remember when Freak was just Knights !@#$%^&*is sop in mg
Hoch Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 I didn't mean to upset you hoch. Or expect anything done, I just like ranting. Besides... GS has finally given freakmonger netop in MG, so I soppose I don't have to worry anymore. ^^ tootles.LOL! Don't flatter yourself mate. You wanted to rant and so you did. I merely pointedout the fallacies in both your argumentation and methodology. But, as I do this for aliving I decided to do it for free! -Hoch
MikeTheNose Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 To avoid abuse to the system, the zone netops are responsible for their own zones. We don't like having netops from other zones doing bans that aren't from their own zone. The only ones allowed to do such bans are the BanG Administrators. That being said, we don't have a public list of netops. But the only current BanG administrator is Kewlair.
Rudemeister Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 That being said, is there some sort of written policy to that extent Mike, or is it just !@#$%^&*umed that new NetOps would adhere to this seemingly fabricated guideline? As I'm quite guilty of having done perhaps four such favours at the request of other SSC zones, none of which were later questioned. I can see how such practices could be exploited though. For instance, if the actioning NetOp did not first confirm the legitimacy of the request and the person requesting it with the staff of the residing zone and the whole process was a ruse to have their idiot friend netbanned for ASSS and giggles.Otherwise if the netban comment did not otherwise state that it was created as an external request, none would be the wiser and would appear normal as if the cheater had in fact cheated in the zone the actioning NetOp resided in.My point is; anyone with L1+ is entrusted to be honourable enough to keep the BanG system free of abuse. It's hardly a common enough scenario to warrant admin stepping in to regulate these "handshake bans". In the rare occasions I do make them, I keep it all well do!@#$%^&*ented and cite references. I imagine anyone else would too. The only aspect of it that should be a concern to BanG administration is if the machine ID is common.
Hoch Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 That being said, is there some sort of written policy to that extent Mike, or is it just !@#$%^&*umed that new NetOps would adhere to this seemingly fabricated guideline? As I'm quite guilty of having done perhaps four such favours at the request of other SSC zones, none of which were later questioned.You grossly misunderstood what MTN wrote. Level 1 BanG Operators are createdand defined by the zone in which they operate. Thus, they should only exercisetheir level of BanG authority in that zone. It is not, therefore, prohibitory per se to execute a ban outside of that defined area. Rather, it should only be done whencir!@#$%^&*stances allow for it. Of course netbans are made by a NetOp not of that zone. You would be hardpressed to find an experienced NetOp that has not. That said, these are decisionswhich should ordinarily be made by the BanG Administrators (though right there is only one but that soon will change). But again, it is not prohibitory per se and moreof the exception than the rule. -Hoch
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