SeVeR Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 How did an asian immigrant student get two powerful handguns? I'd like to see him try and take down 32 people with a knife... without one of the students or teachers disarming him and kicking his !@#$%^&*. I agree with Ail that understanding is the key. But in addition we have to look at gun laws. The Columbine killers cir!@#$%^&*vented them easily enough to obtain legally bought guns, and now we get some loner asian kid walking around with handguns? Sure professional criminals and !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*ins get guns illegally through their connections, but your average socially inept teenager isn't a professional criminal and will go down the routes available to him. You're not likely to ever meet a professional !@#$%^&*!@#$%^&*in in your life but you are likely to meet an aggressive teen, a meth addicted druggy, or a street mugger.
jacob hunter! Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 too bad the killer is not alive. Then he could feel so much grieve and hard feelings for his act. Or maybe he is not human enough and would jsut shrug it off if he was in jail anyways.
Cancer+ Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 "Police Say Cho Seung-Hui, 23-Year-Old South Korean, Killed 32" Picture: First story http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html
Keiver Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 Obviously considering he did it, and kept going, he wouldn't have felt any grief for it. He accepted the consequences of his horrendously stupid actions, and got what he deserved.
Aileron Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 The public school system I went to had three acts of violence. One occured in the elementary school I was in, one occured in a neighboring elementary school to the high school I was attending, and one occured after I went to college. The first was a dumb kid who had a hunting rifle and wanted to scare students by shooting out lights. The second was when a guy with a machete charged in and tried to hack at the students. The third was some kid killing the principle in a murder suicide. Admittingly, 2/3 of those incidents involved firearms. However, given the range of the third attack, it would easily have been possible to carry it out with a lesser weapon such as a knife. Yet on another hand, the guy with the machete would have had a much higher body count if he had a gun. I can't deny that it would be more difficult for a psycotic killer to go on a rampage with more firearms restrictions. However, that's a type of obstacle similar to a speed bump in a parking lot. It would be more of an annoyance than a actual preventative step. I've thought about it, and given enough time and planning a team of about 5 psycopaths could reliably take out 300,000 people at my university without any firearms. Granted they would likely not be psycotic in the first place if they had friends and patience, and granted that having guns would eliminate two or three moving parts from the process, but case in point destroying life is easy, and as technology advances it will become easier and easier to do so. Mankind simply has to learn to actively prevent violence from occurring now. From a practical standpoint, guns in the hands of the victims would be an actual deterrent, even if they are untrained. Yes, they might miss and take out other students, but the laws of probability would catch up with the killer before 30. As I was telling Astro though, it isn't appropriate at this point to debate this.
jacob hunter! Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I jsut got done reading reports from tw, going to read it all later after class.
SeVeR Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 His girlfriend probably broke up with him and attacked his 'loner' image or something. That would have been the trigger for him to shoot her in the same way many other people kill their lovers in rage. The gap of two hours was probably spent in complete panic rather than cold pre-meditated planning. He would have feared the consequences of his actions to the point where he felt he had nothing left to live for, and so he attacked the other people in his life who he blamed for his misery, and who unknowingly contributed to his present situation - random students. It makes sense that a loner would indiscriminately kill the people around him, he would see them as a group attacking him rather than as individuals.
Slipped Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 How did an asian immigrant student get two powerful handguns? I'd like to see him try and take down 32 people with a knife... without one of the students or teachers disarming him and kicking his !@#$%^&*. Well, he had been in the country since he was 8; he was a legal citizen. In Virginia, if you're of age and have a drivers license, you can buy a gun. They weren't really the most powerful guns either. He had a 9mm and a 22 pistol. Not the rarest or hardest to get of handguns.If the whole thing started over a girlfriend, that'd be pretty sad (though I wouldn't be completely surprised). If someone would be willing to throw his entire life away, as well as the life of 32 other people, over something so minor as a girl, he must have had a pretty sad life. If he wanted to take his own life that's his deal, but taking 32 with him is a shame.
rootbear75 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 i also want to say that the way the college handled the incident was just horrific.if they had locked down the whole campus instead of the one hall, it might have been prevented. i would not be surprised if someone lost their job over this.
»doc flabby Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 These deaths (as with the 30,000 gun related deaths each year in the USA) are in part the price you pay for liberal gun laws. No freedom is without cost. If everyone is free to own a gun, than it is more likely psychos will get them and kill people.If only some people can have guns than theres less of a chance of this happening. But the freedom to own a gun has been lost. Here in the UK knives or blunt instruments are generally used instead of a guns to kill people (its not straightforward to obtain guns (its illegal to own a handgun)- u need "contacts" as opposed to going into a shop and being 16+ as u do for knives) The advantage however of this is its hard to kill a large number of people with a knife, however this disturbed dude who was let out did attack people with a samuri sword a while ago and killed like 2 people and injured like 8 i seem to remember....
Wild Luck Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 "Preventing" instances like this with security measures is impossible. Destroying life is so easy, and its impossible to protect the student body from the student body. This event doesn't shock me. I for one think its been a while since the last one. Society won't stop these shooters until we can understand them. By "understand", I sure as !@#$%^&* don't mean "feel sympathy towards". Infact, I believe it is sympathy itself that has lead to these types of killers.....I don't know exactly how that anger morphs into psycotic rage. It easily builds up into a general desire to prove their superiority over others. I guess they pick up the belief that the act of killing somebody implies superiority from somewhere. If we go by your logic then there would be m!@#$%^&* killing all over the world. You do not shoot someone else because he got better grades than you and it costted him less work. That happens everytime everywhere. To shoot someone else you must not value life itself. Simple hate its not enough, you might hate someone for doing something bad on you but you do not wish them to die. Psychopaths is the most common illness among people who do those stuff, its a mental disorder called Antisocial Personality Disorder, if you want to know more about search it by that term. I am not saying that kid had Antisocial Personality Disorder, he could have deep depression or some deep mental disorder, but if you ask me i would go for Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Shlazzer Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 SOUTH Korean? What the !@#$%^&*? Ungrateful little !@#$%^&*.
nahtaiveL gniK Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 Its not the time to turn it into politics. What If's and everything else is meaningless at this point. I think they acted in the best way they knew how. Fingers are gonna point everyway and that wont answer anything - you could point the finger at people who read his writings which were apparently fairly disturbing - there were signs of his instability. But now isnt the time for the blame game.
jacob hunter! Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 OMG I just thought of something...... Couldn't the sadism group or w/e have planned this out? You know there is a big secret organization that believe in satin they could have done this. It makes sense you know. The press and police should have released if he had a certain card on him that stated if he was from such an organization. ffs.
sil Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 If we go by your logic then there would be m!@#$%^&* killing all over the world. But there are murders all over the world every day. M!@#$%^&* murders? Well that depends on the definition, but murder is still murder. Also, I am curious as to what you mean by "by your logic." What logic are you addressing? It doesn't take some mental disorder to cause someone to snap, though it will lead to them snapping easier. Some people are just disturbed. I don't know if you can call that a mental disorder. Maybe it is. Sever put it very well comparing it to killing lovers in rage. Maybe looking it at now, yes the police could have handled it better. But if you read their reports of chosen actions, what information did they have that would have lead them to act otherwise? When some guy robs a store and shoots someone, do they lock down the entire city? How often does someone go on a m!@#$%^&* killing spree? Pointing blame is not going to make it better. Making it illegal to carry a gun is not going to prevent this. If someone has snapped enough, they will think of a way to get one or make something viable to complete their goal. Yes, it will make it harder and may prevent deaths. But lets look how well making certain drugs illegal has worked so far.
Wild Luck Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 some people kill to steal your stuff, but when you kill just for the fun, it has to be something wrong on that persons head
L.C. Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 Anybody who is for gun control / opposing the real right to bear arms:http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/4....ts4-1-Print.pdf
Slipped Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 i also want to say that the way the college handled the incident was just horrific.if they had locked down the whole campus instead of the one hall, it might have been prevented. i would not be surprised if someone lost their job over this.They did all they could do with the information they had at the time. The guy was obviously determined to kill, locking down campus wouldn't have stopped him. He was a student too, he would have taken advantage of whatever place he was and would have taken more lives. Like someone said earlier, if someone robs a bank do you lock down a city? They had absolutely no reason to believe that the first shooting was anything other than a domestic, isolated incident. Locking down the entire campus (which couldn't be done in an instant, mind you), would have just created m!@#$%^&* chaos throughout the campus. No one had any idea who the shooter was, so they didn't know who or what to "look out for", especially with a student body of so many people.Again, he was set out to kill people. If he wasn't able to do it where he was originally planning to, he just would have improvised and shot up another dorm or wherever he could. I think the campus police handled the situation the best that they could. Pointing the blame at anyone who's vulnerable isn't going to help bring anyone back, and it isn't going to help prevent this thing from happening again. If someone has their mind made up to take someone's life, there isn't much anyone can do to stop them, especially when no one knows nothing of it.
Deathmonger Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 These rare horrific events happen from time to time in all parts of the world and throughout the past. They may seem more frequent because of better media coverage, but people have been flipping out and going on senseless murder sprees from antiquity. It happens in countries with liberal firearms laws and strict ones. In countries such as the US, Switzerland, and Israel, it can be argued that high citizen firearm posession suppresses crime and can end high casualty attacks like this before more people are hurt. "Happy slapping" is virtually unknown in the US since it would be unwise for a US punk to assume that their random victim is unarmed. On the other hand one can also argue that if everybody walked around packing heat, thousands more people would be killed in stupid moments of anger. Virtually no citizen in Japan can carry a gun. That didn't stop the Yakuza from knocking off the mayor of Nagasaki today. They don't have much of a crime problem generally. Virtually all citizens in Switzerland are required to posess guns all the way up to their military automatic weapons. That didn't stop a nutball from killing 13 people in 2001. They too don't have much of a crime problem. I don't know what the answer is. One thing's for sure: if everyone carried handguns, the world would be a much more polite place.
rootbear75 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 Psychopaths is the most common illness among people who do those stuff, its a mental disorder called Antisocial Personality Disorder, if you want to know more about search it by that term.they already said he had depression... The press and police should have released if he had a certain card on him that stated if he was from such an organization. ffs.they also already said he had no id/wallet on himi suspect that card most likely would have had his name on it
The Apache Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 (edited) glad you are all ok guys. now for a random piece of text: isn't it odd how chambahs mentioned www.pwned.nl, then it turns out to be an asian guy who turned out to be korean and middle aged? i dunno, i just laughed at that... lol. Edited April 17, 2007 by The Apache
rootbear75 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 then it turns out to be an asian guy who turned out to be korean and middle aged?he was like 19 or 20 years old... how is that middle aged....?
Slipped Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 then it turns out to be an asian guy who turned out to be korean and middle aged?he was like 19 or 20 years old... how is that middle aged....?He was 23.
rootbear75 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 meant to change it after i scrolled up but i forgot to so
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