Gravitron Posted February 9, 2007 Report Posted February 9, 2007 Seems that the beginning of it was cut out, though, Ophie. In addition, since hosts and the subject of funneling money onto the game was put on:Seems that, oh-so-many of, you have all quickly forgotten about Xalimar and Yarekim's contribution.And needless to say, the by now forgotten by newbies, ancient RiSC network which was paid for, in quite a long duration, by NfoCipher who was just a regular bloke and no rockafeller.
Altec Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 It's a wonder why I even post here anymore...!@#$%^&* just gets edited left and right anyway...so what's the point.
Gravitron Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Swift, eh?I wonder if PayPal allows me to donate a Scorpion to his birthday... http://forums.minegoboom.com -> less populated with reASSS, less populated at all, and 99.9% censorship-free. Just aim for the trash talk and post ahead.
Paine Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 less populated with reASSS, less populated at all Isn't that redundant?
Dav Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 Now i am all for democracy but it just wouldn't work in this game. The server owners arn't elected, priit and GS arnt elected but these people all git the game up and keep it going and so should make up the council. Other members are those with the skills to get what needs to be done done and have resorces to offer. If we elected council it would be a popularity contest rather then best people do the job. I know there is corruption and a lack of diplomacy at times but i think the council itself is able to solve these problems if people get on with it and do it. People have been removed in the past for these reasons and i don't see why that will stop. If that cant be solved and there is a big enough call the only way a democratic council should exist if the lower tier, i.e additional people past server owners and such are voted in but I doubt this will work either.
»freakmonger Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 I thought the conversation turned saying that server owners, zone sysops and dev ops could vote on council members or have SOME input in the future the game takes. server owners: SSC Server Owners (and if there is a server owner that abuses etc then they shouldn't be on SSC)zone sysops: Zone Owners on SSC with max population over 70dev ops: real dev ops like d1st0rt, maverick, cerium, admiral kirk, catid, 50%, ppl who make cores not just plugins. I know their are a few more players that dev cores or help maintain cores but I can't name them all. What i'm saying is joethenewb who makes plugins for SSC The Newbies with a max population of 30 doesn't need a say in the future of this game. By following these guidelines that would ensure every swinging !@#$%^&* isn't on the council but it does get "new blood" involved. i'm sure some of you will disagree with me and more than likley post a poorly thought out flame attempt, but I really don't care
Dav Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 I thought the conversation turned saying that server owners, zone sysops and dev ops could vote on council members or have SOME input in the future the game takes. server owners: SSC Server Owners (and if there is a server owner that abuses etc then they shouldn't be on SSC)zone sysops: Zone Owners on SSC with max population over 70dev ops: real dev ops like d1st0rt, maverick, cerium, admiral kirk, catid, 50%, ppl who make cores not just plugins. I know their are a few more players that dev cores or help maintain cores but I can't name them all. What i'm saying is joethenewb who makes plugins for SSC The Newbies with a max population of 30 doesn't need a say in the future of this game. By following these guidelines that would ensure every swinging !@#$%^&* isn't on the council but it does get "new blood" involved. i'm sure some of you will disagree with me and more than likely post a poorly thought out flame attempt, but I really don't care I almost fully agree but more zones should be involved being as zones form a major part of the community there arnt 0eny 70+ pop zones out there. Also allowed the abusive zone owners that are breaching rules to be dealt with in council which makes things easier. Also as zone owners will form a lower tier they wont punch as much weight so abusive ones cant cause too many problems whereas non-abusive owners can give a good contribution.
»freakmonger Posted February 10, 2007 Report Posted February 10, 2007 actually I just checked the top 5 zones sorted by population right now @ 4:30pm on a Saturday and every one of the zones do have someone in the council representing their zone (and all have 70+ players in them). So I guess you could scratch the zone owners from it as they are already on the council. I guess my argument is more that the ssc server owners and dev ops should be added to the council as they give the most to the community and have little to no "say so" in what direction the game takes.
Dav Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 I would agree. They should have their voices heard in council as well as hearing the voice of council. Even smaller zone owners of perhaps 40+ pop zones or even 30+. If any of these people try to punch above their weight and abuse their position the setup should be adequate to stop them and take appropriate action.
PoLiX Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 The council is honestly nothing more than a mailing list of info, and an advisory group to GS/Priit. They can vote on things, and I had seen it many times in the past, ignored. Like there was large support in game, and on the mailing list for setting up a secondary biller for non ssc zones. Something to unite them, and try to give them a central database to help them develop. We even had begun discussing ops, how to run it, etc. BD Vine shot it down, and said anyone who disagreed with him could e-mail him, and he'd explain why it was not needed (Speaking of which, he never did reply to any of us). Now that doesn't mean we couldn't continue and do it on our own, as we had the ability, but we had hoped to just use a copy of the SSC biller to make the transfer flawless for zones (commands/power levels would be the same). But just is an example of how the council can decide something, and yes 90% of the time GS and such comply, but that it can also be ignored or shot down.
rootbear75 Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 from what i have gathered here,here is an analogy that people might understand better... SSCouncil is to GS/Priitasthe Cabinet is to The President
PoLiX Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 Nah. More like... SSCouncil is to GS/PriitasThe US Population is to The Congress. We tell them things we want done, and work together to get the idea to them, and they decide if it is worth the time and effort to do. They are the Ultimate power, and can overrule.The SSCouncil does the same thing.
Gravitron Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 I would say to dismiss with the council and start purging zone staff, but that's just me. I would say to round up all politicians and have them shot, but that's just me. So I say nothing and go play another game, and am quite happy, but that's just me.And pracs are always there for me to occasionally jump onto and ice some people, but that's just me.
Dav Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 not much different from real world politics really in any form.
»doc flabby Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 not much different from real world politics really in any form.Ya where alot of people chat and get very excited over nothing. And the rest of us get on with it.
rootbear75 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 Nah. More like... SSCouncil is to GS/PriitasThe US Population is to The Congress. We tell them things we want done, and work together to get the idea to them, and they decide if it is worth the time and effort to do. They are the Ultimate power, and can overrule.The SSCouncil does the same thing.the cabinet does the same thingthey advise the president on how to act, and usually he follows their advice, but he is not required to go along with iti still stand by my analogy
PoLiX Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 Except, Congress can overrule the President on anything he does, even throw him out of office. That is why I used the one I did.
L.C. Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 Except, Congress can overrule the President on anything he does, even throw him out of office. That is why I used the one I did.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d00810085e
Dav Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 isnt this starting to get a little offtopic? I think the description is good enough without arguning over the correct analogy.
rootbear75 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 cant the people of SS revolt and overthrow the creator? lol
jacob hunter! Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 No because then they would all get banned
»freakmonger Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 cant the people of SS revolt and overthrow the creator? lol Not really. Because One person pretty much holds subspace in the palm of his hand (or on the tip of his hand that is on the mouse). With one click he could pretty much shut subspace completely down. Sure someone would setup a server etc to replace the SSC Biller and become 'the main biller' but by the time that happens subspace would have already lost too many players. Basically there are two ppl in subspace 'in control'. One being "the creator" aka Priitk and the other being Ghost Ship. Priitk being the only person with physical access to the biller pretty much makes him god as far as subspace is concerned. That is the problem with letting the same person control the biller AND the src . If he decides he is done with subspace we are screwed lol.
Muslum Posted February 12, 2007 Report Posted February 12, 2007 I would suggest that the SSCouncil mimic the political framework of the United Nations. They seem like the best fit, moreso than any other type of government atleast. I'm not an expert on politics, or anything for that matter, but here's what I think: The zones are like member states (Countries that are members of the United Nation).The SSCouncil could have a General !@#$%^&*embly, where the leaders of these zones all meet.There could also be a "Security Council" type thing where the SSC hosts are all permanent members(as long as they are hosting zones), and other elected security council members from the general !@#$%^&*embly(zone owners) that have a term on the council. I'm kinda hungry, so I'll leave it open. But yea, its not really complicated, should make sense to you. This seems like the most realistic way of promoting and maintaining good communication between all members of the community. I personally don't think that SSC needs to be replaced, but I think that this game will die if you make those who want to help feel excluded. If you want EVERYTHING to go through the SSCouncil body, you should atleast make it possible. And any major developer should also have a say in things, but I'll stop here. P.S. The United Nations thing was something that just popped into my head while reading some of the posts, so its not detailed, but anyone who understands the UN's structure will be able to make the connections.
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